"higher" state of mind

1 year, 10 months ago

Do you think that drugs are necessary to achieve a higher state of consciousness? I have always been so curious about psychedelics and have heard wonderful things about acid and shrooms. Unfortunately I have pretty bad anxiety when it comes to drugs… sometimes I get anxious when I smoke weed, and the few times I tried ecstacy I got extremely paranoid. Sometimes I wish I could just shroom my ass off though. Just because it seems really eye opening. I smoked weed for the first time when I was 14 years old, and even though it triggered the anxiety that I have today, it also made me a much deeper, more three dimensional person. It introduced me to the darkest crevices of my soul, but also helped me explore myself and the people around me like I have never done before. After that I felt more real than I ever have. That was 5 years ago. I am currently 19 and seem to be at a stationary point in my life, and I am searching for a new kind of awakening, similar to the one that I had before. I have been doing a lot of reading, and have been much more invested in my music (I sing), but I still feel a bit stuck. I would love to achieve a sense of heightened awareness, and a part of me feels that my mind has the potential to be in a really good place… but currently it is flooded with the superficial nonsense that I experience in my every day life. So my question is, do you think that drugs are necessary to achieve that heightened state? And do you have any suggestions that may help me out of this hole I have dug for myself? I would hope and assume that drugs are not the only way, but I would love to hear any opinions or contributions you guys may have. All answers are greatly appreciated!

12.31.2012 at 2:49 am

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@splashartist) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@kpearlma, Although drugs can certainly be helpful when it comes to expanding the mind they are definitely not required. To get yourself out of your hole you need to stop trying to get out of it. If you keep on attempting to get out of the hole you will make the soil looser and eventually the hole will get bigger. Sit in the hole, close your eyes and be silent and you may find that you arent actually in one. This hole is self created. Accept what already is and your problems will fade. Trust me, I had life dibilitating anxiety but it doesn’t effect me anymore. I speak from experience.
Also, another problem with your thoughts is that your trying to reach some higher state. This doesn’t exist and if it does it is only temporary. When you realize these thoughts are only thoughts and that the experience you are having now is all that actually is then you will be at peace. Pure awareness of the moment is bliss. It’s not some kind of higher consciousness it’s just you are aware that you’re aware if that makes any sense to you. Take up meditation if you seriously want to experience the now for what it truly is.

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Profile photo of KTpearl KTpearl (@kpearlma) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@splashartist, you couldn’t be more accurate. I guess there is a part of me that has always known everything you just said, but sometimes you really just need to hear it from someone else. I love how you are so on my level! Thank you so much. I think I really need some good meditation; Something that will help me savor where I am now.

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@splashartist) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@kpearlma, We all know inherently all of the answers to life’s problems it’s just we forget. We dont come here to learn, we come here to remember. Im glad I could be of service. Cheers! :)

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Profile photo of Ra Ra (@grandkintaro777) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

No they aren’t necessary, I didn’t use any sort of drug, I just increased my awareness reading and learning.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

I think they are one way in, especially cannabis to gradually get into that space rather than go all out for the revelation that may fade after a while.

Things like Ayahuasca and DMT sound very interesting and I don’t know that those states can be achieved by meditating. Maybe, if you really give yourself over to the spirit world in your waking life but I’m not sure how many do that or even what it would involve.

It’s the only way I know to work but that doesn’t mean it is the only one I will ever use. I tried meditation once and it was good so I’ll take it up properly when I get back home.

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Profile photo of Razique Razique (@razique) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@kpearlma, yes I think some levels of consciousness and altered-states can only be induced by “drugs” well psychedelics in fact (and not MDMA and related substances)
They directly perturb the brain chemistry in a way I think impossible via other ways. What kind of levels am I talking about : well having everything in technicolor, exploring space and time in a new total way, resetting the way you always considered the world. Some consider such products shortcuts against traditional pathways such as meditation, breathing techniques, mantras….well I’m not so sure, even more given the historical use of these.

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@kpearlma, Drugs can definitely induce a meditative state… I just reached one almost effortlessly a few nights ago on lsd. It’s kind of like a cheat code to that kind of mindset, but like anything else, if you don’t apply what you learn afterwards it’s not very useful. It can really go either way, and all depends on you. I know that I have learned a lot from drugs, and just as much from books. My last big shift in consciousness which was recently was spurred by re-reading a specific book (The Power of Now, I highly recommend it!) combined with lsd. I was having a very anxious trip and experienced a few different times that night how all it takes is a shift in perspective to relinquish a mental frenzy. The morning after that night I saw the world with fresh eyes.

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Profile photo of Razique Razique (@razique) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, oh yes it’s a great book that I recommend. I also consider them like a cheat code. I have been able to meditate several times under the use of substances. All of a sudden, it brings you (well at least me) “there”, of what I call the other side :)

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

yo

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Profile photo of Filip Filip (@filipek) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@kpearlma, First of all: what do you mean with ‘a higher state of consciousness’ ? I mean, a lot of people are talking about higher states of consciousness, but what is your definition of that? It seems to me that this term has ben popularized and people keep on repeating, without actually even knowing what they mean.
Sure, you experience different states while being on a high, a different type of consciousness in the way that you seem to see and experience things differently than in a ‘sober’ state of mind.
But, what does this mean to you? How does it help you? What do you take out of it? I think that are important questions to ask.

As already mentioned before, I think it is important you take something out of the experience, which you will be able to implement into your daily life, otherwise it will be merely a temporary search for some sense pleasure cravings. I can do that by jumping out of an airplane on 3km above the ground, I do not need drugs for that.

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@filipek, I know you weren’t asking me this question but I thought I’d tell you what a higher state of consciousness means to me. It means more present, and therefore more aware, alert, sharper, and essentially conscious for your own life rather than on autopilot.

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Profile photo of Quig Quig (@quig) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

I don’t think anyone needs drugs to expand their minds. Drugs can help for certain types of people, for sure, but I wouldn’t say they’re necessary.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@kpearlma, Drugs are an option. Simple as that.

Love what you said @filipek and I completely agree.

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Profile photo of Blubl0cker Blubl0cker (@jbc3817) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@kpearlma, simplest way to put it is reaching a higher state is detaching yourself from the material world and drugs do that. The paradox is that in order to get more drugs you need the most materialistic thing known to man, money. Its like the space shuttle: it has boosters and a gas tank but it cannot take those things to space. Drugs can take you to a higher place and help you realize, but cannot fill that void.

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Profile photo of KTpearl KTpearl (@kpearlma) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@splashartist, I have never thought of it like that before. Very insightful!

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Profile photo of KTpearl KTpearl (@kpearlma) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, my definition is about the same as yours. When it comes down to it I guess I am just trying to find more ways to be present; ways to savor every moment. I find that very hard to do.

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