How to make change in the world/ your government/ your community/etc
There is a lot of crazy stuff going on in the world right now to put it mildly. Wars, civil rights battles, financial hell.. How do you all try to make change? What do you think is the most effective way of doing this (whether you personally do this or not): protests, art, voting, talking to people.. When is violence, or is it ever, an okay force in making change?
In Russia there is a very cool protest going on in the form of punk rock, in a way hailing back to when punk rock was protest music in the UK.
I think that art is a very quick way of making a statement- and while I’m sure that signing petitions is a valid way of getting somewhere, it really seems to just add another message to my gmail account..
Alright-thoughts on larger change?
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yeah, if only everyone had the same idea!^^
i’m all for fucking the system, taking a leaf off Sasho’s books, everytime you improvise your doing exactly that…
what i want to make happen is to let more people be aware of exactly what we’re going on about here. if everyone had this idea, or least, if a lot of people had this idea and were organised, they can make a bigger change. right???
“Now if you were to feed something nice into it, it would give that nice stuff back manifold” agree. but whaT i didnt get is the old amp new amp analogy. in my opinion, there’s no new lamp/ old amp. we’re all here with the idiots and the non-idiots :P
and, do you think this was what every revolution was? — “It’s a sinking ship, stop clinging, swim ashore and build a new ship”
oh man, this thing: “is it right for us to want or expect others to change to fit the world-view we think is necessary to thrive in the coming century? even in HE, we have some pretty differing viewpoints on problems and solutions.”
i was thinking it was not right but i was too desperate to find a quick practical solution.
and thank you thank you thank you for this timely intervention on this thread.
“Some kind of coordinated worldwide hoax/action that grabs everyone’s attention and then has a real message instead of a gotcha or paranoid conspiracy theory at it’s core . . . like 10,000 HEthens conducting coordinated acts of kindness and beauty across the world until they go viral and the true meaning is unveiled.”
i think it is upon us. tine stated the same here, http://www.highexistence.com/discussions/topic/are-we-not/
we inspire each other too much anyway, lets do some shit. i am soooooo in. and thanks for imbedding the 10,000 number there.
we are approaching that, and as a celebration of sorts, but more importantly, to make a change, thats wat we shud do. 10,000 (or whatever amount of us) HEthens CONDUCTING COORDINATED ACTS OF KINDNESS. +++++++++++
LETS DO THIS.
in sharrrrrrp contrast @Sasho, this is the thread i was waiting for. quit humoring Sasho, i am serious here.
and about actions and examples, i agree, but for awesome action we need an awesome plan. and we’re planning here, if we are not acting :)))))
@Bruce; I am well aware of what you are saying, and I have stated in numerous threads that the people are half of the problem.
I have not held a formal job in over six months, and I make my money by directly helping local businesses until I get my own income streams up and running. Yes, I make less right now, but I am not pumping my excess funds into supporting the very systems and company’s destroying this planet. If everyone did this, we’d make a huge dent.
Again, this is why I am constantly hammering that everything is choice; your choice to perceive the atrocities of this world as a victim or a warrior is just as valid as your choice of what clothes to wear today. Problem is, people only care about the later, while remaining unaware that they are actually choosing in the first place. Choosing not to choose via ignorance and denial is STILL A CHOICE!
I do not have a cellphone or even a car at this moment in time, two things I accept living without temporarily while I establish my footing and set up MY systems. Of course I will have a car and a cellphone in the future, but how I pay for them won’t be the result of “asking for a raise” from the puppet masters, or trading hours for dollars at some corporate chain that does nothing but soak up resources so that I can text my friends about “last nights game”.
The entire purpose of my website is to get people into the state of mind which you are describing : )
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” –Albus Dumbledore
@mANIMAl: an impressive discourse. You are exactly right, and I can speak from 35 years of experience in corporate America and attempts to change the political system. Couple years ago, we tried to get a new Mayor in Salt Lake City–a guy that was pro-individual rights, and was for reducing the government handouts, strengthening the civil service areas (police, fire, emergency services) and was even going to donate his entire Mayoral salary to charity. Out of 175,000 votes… he got 14. The guy who won, was the one that promised the biggest handouts.
But “fucking the system”, either good or bad, doesn’t work because the system has an unlimited supply of contraceptives. Not much can grow in a system that toxic.
People here have often made references to Tao. Have you ever read the history of Taoism, and the battles they had with Emperors? Got close to 6000 years of history there. Even when they were able to get a system of good, honest, positive feedback and get an emperor that cared more about the people then themselves, it never lasted. Couple generations, tops. Then back to the corruption. This indicates there is a general problem with the existing equipment–the amplifier.
If society keeps repairing the same amplifier, you’ll always end up with the same sound. What is needed is an amplifier that works on a different principle–one that amplifies the ethical aspects of society, and band-blocks the self-serving ones. The existing “equipment” is not capable of doing that, but a new amplifier DOES exist in the upcoming generation–if they ever realize they have it.
I am part of that 50+, “in power” generation. I do not agree with their corporate view of the world, and as such have been somewhat exiled from the system. But–I will squeal on them… the No. 1 thing that my generation fears the most, is the young generation! Afraid that it will wake up, turn off the televisions and cell phones, throw out the drugs and cigs they provide to keep you pacified, and start watching THEM, instead. My generation was raised with the spy era and only knows how to operate in a covert fashion. Without secrecy, they are paralyzed. It is all based on fear–keep those heads in the sand so you can’t see what we’re doing. And “trust me! I know what is best for you!” Yeah, right.
You want to change the world? Then you need a NEW paradigm, not a change to the existing one. And that doesn’t come by “choosing what is easy.”
I am curious… is anyone here familiar with an old BBC TV series called, “The Tomorrow People?”
this is like pay it forward, the movie….
ok 10,000 is too less a number worldwide, and even lesser number is gna sign up… so we need to come up with something that really hits harrrrrd, penetrates through all the BS… or something that wud inspire more and more ppl to make this a chain reaction, not just the initial 10,000!
@sasho “Don’t hate me when I don’t love you.”
No worries. Truly not asking for your love =)
I totally agree with the statement that you have to be the change you want to see in the world..but I’m wondering more about larger issues that you have problems with/ issues that are in your life but wayy out of your immediate control. Being the best version of yourself will help, but what about protests, petitions, art as a medium for change, etc? What about larger issues like war and equality?
Does anyone write their senators and governors about what they want to change/why or why not? I haven’t in a long time, but am starting to feel that this apathy is not going to cut it as far as trying to better the world we live in.
As far as protests go, sometimes I feel that the government kind of smiles and nods. The occupy movement has been going on for a long time now, but is very nonspecific- and it makes me wonder what effect protesting actually has unless it is violent (not advocating violent protests, just sayin’)
@Josh… just yesterday i came across something somewhere (electronic media jamming my senses!) of the kind of atrocities you mentioned, and i thought how the FUCK is anyone okay with that?!!! when did it start becoming okay for shit like this to happen? seriously… unimaginable shit happens everywhere everyday and thats just the things that get ”media (the fuckin hypocritic media) attention’…
yours is a brilliant idea, and i shud do that here as well. i’ll contribute my ideas to this thing… and when its done, if u dont mind send it here as well for distribution. LETS DO SOME SHIT! seriously, diggin that idea.
thanks for that Bruce…. haven’t watched “The Tomorrow People” but sounds great! what s it all about?
” the No. 1 thing that my generation fears the most, is the young generation! Afraid that it will wake up, turn off the televisions and cell phones, throw out the drugs and cigs they provide to keep you pacified, and start watching THEM, instead.” Whoa! i hope awakening is what we are doing here, in some small way…
@Jason: [I am confident that this generation will be the one to smooth out the power ratio, and at least establish freedom and autonomy for those with the knowledge and responsibility to wield it]
As Emeril would say, “kick it up a notch.” If you smooth out power, you are just redistributing it. And who will be the judge of “freedom and autonomy” to decide who will wield it? Don’t get trapped in the programming that my generation has pounded into your subconscious.
Answer me this:
Why do people need power?
At what point should one person stop making decisions for another?
@Kate, I have no fear. That’s why the things that I say are connected to everything I do. There is no “deep”. I just lack fear. A poet may say that I sacrifice myself. I say that I do. I’m not a poet. I can only pretend to be one. I can pretend to be anything.
The occupy movement was inspired by Anonymous. Nice to meet you. We love you.
@Bruce; I attended public and Catholic school as well. Your idea of salary reduction co-incides with Vishnu’s idea of optional attendance. People who actually want to teach and learn, instead of a half-ass mix of social confusion under the guise of political correctness and education.
@Bruce, there is no need for power. The idea of someone being more important and having power over a human being is completely out of line and fucked. People THINK they need power. They want to feel safe and they think governments do that for them.
It’s the same reason why people don’t venture out and meet new people or try to learn new ideas. People want to feel safe and comfortable and they think the best way to do that is to remain with the same group of people and never learn anything new or especially radical.
The only way I can see the human race opening their eyes to the ridiculousness of what is currently going on in the world and how simple it could be to change is through psychedelics. If psychedelics were legal and people were going out in ritualistic style and taking psychotropics, the world would change and progress for the better.
Right now, because the war on drugs exists, we have essentially handed over the keys to our consciousness to the governments. And for what? To keep this system running? This shit system? People need to wake up.
To do so, we need action. Right now. Like many of you have said, lead by example, be blunt, tell people the way you are thinking. It’s all a mind set, people can switch from their animalistic, monkey brain to the intellectual, frontal cortex.
Protesting, voting, writing politicians and such doesn’t really solve anything.
What do you really do when you do these things? You give them the power, and you ask them to solve a problem that isn’t really theirs. Not only do they have different intentions with their power, not only would they rather not solve these problems, but even if they tried they couldn’t. Because the problem is within the individuals, nobody can solve it except themselves.
And giving the power and responsiblity away… well that only makes things worse. It’s the cause of the problem. And it also takes away your freedom. People need to take responsibility for themselves and use their power.
99% of the world’s population are dumbed down, ignorant, lazy mobs. The masses. That’s why the world is so messed up. And they’re not that way because some “evil ruler” forced them, it’s the other way around. The only reason there are blinded leaders in the world is because the demand for them is huge. People are lazy, they want comfort and security, they don’t want responsibility, don’t want to make tough decisions, don’t like having to choose, and so on.
That’s why leaders exist. Leaders are only supplying what the masses ask for. “Make me comfortable, make me dumb, take away my responsibilities” that’s what the typical person is constantly asking for. And that’s why the world is messed up.
This society will never be better than it currently is, it’s reached its max potential, and it’s fundamentally flawed and based on corruption. Society is only corrupt because the people in it are corrupt.
The problem is within the individuals, nowhere else. Everything else is just a symptom. Like acne or cancer. Those blemishes and tumors are nothing but results of abusing your body, the problem is the abuse, not the zits and cancerous cells. People cause this to themselves. This society/culture is like a cancer, or a virus. A virus or cancer isn’t evil, it just does what it evolved to do, find host cells and pass on its own genes into it, surviving by leeching off of another organism. That’s what society is. Society is supposed to be a tool for humans, now it’s the other way around (technically it’s still a tool, but people are using it against themselves.)
People are living as followers to an imaginary concept. Society, money, religion, even science, all these things were created as tools for humans to use. But somewhere along the line people decided to be morons and let this shit dictate their lives. Willingly making themselves slaves to something that does not exist.
And as a result, they fuck up the world. But they don’t care, they’re selfish and ignorant and can’t see beyond their nose. They don’t understand cause and effect, or much of anything for that matter. And they seek distractions (tv, videogames, drugs, wealth, being special, whatever) to remain ignorant.
I don’t think you even understand how bad the condition of humanity currently is. It’s not just bad, it’s seriously fucking ultra horrible. But it’s slowly getting better.
Just remember to be the change you want for this world, lead by example. That’s what it all boils down to. Take action, now. Not now = not at all.
Just be great.
@Nicholas [Granted, there are many brilliant teachers out there, but it could be so much better.]
As a former High School teacher, I’d like to comment on this. In the US, schooling is already about profit, not education. Teachers are paid to entertain the kids to fill the seats, because each filled seat is $1800 of government money for the school’s owners, per class. Probably more now, as I’ve been out of it for a while.
And if you actually educate the kids, you get yelled at or fired. I used to get sent to the principal more often than the kids did, and got fired after I taught my computer class about how inflation works–prior to their economics debate. (Man, was she pissed at me–red in the face–you guys aren’t supposed to know how government steals your savings.) Another excellent teacher friend of mine got fired, just a couple years ago, for saying a student gave a wrong answer. Student was hurt, complained to parents, and parents complained to school. Fired the next day.
Heaven forbid you actually grade students on their work, so they can find out what needs improvement! In my day, we got percentage grades. These days, you can’t do that… the lowest “grade” you can give is BTU – “Beginning To Understand.” What a crock.
Dumping more money into teacher salaries will just give you a better class of entertainer–not a good education. These days, your best option is to teach yourself.
@vishnu: [haven’t watched “The Tomorrow People” but sounds great! what s it all about?]
It is about young people, in their teens and 20s, taking the next step in human evolution to become an ethical, spiritual man, complete with well-developed, psionic abilities–telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation (jaunting) and others. I was a teen back then, and this was one of those shows we raced home from school to watch.
The Tomorrow People had a different paradigm from the “saps” (homo sapiens)–peaceful to where they could not kill, even in self defense, and used rapport for common goals, rather than rivalry and competition (something I still hold true to this day).
For my generation, it represented the best that man could achieve. Though there were only a few Tomorrow People, it was the first step towards a better future. A lot of us tried to make that a reality, but ran into many of the same problems they had on the series.
I mention it here because that show has a new paradigm that could actually work, if the young generation was interested in it. My generation, unfortunately, was unable to pull it off–though some of us continue to try.
Hey Bruce! I didn’t mean to sound hasty in that last post; by autonomy I was simply referring to the rights of the individual to express themselves without fear of OPPRESSIVE rule. I’m all for structure in society, but there is definitely an imbalance between the government/citizen level. “For the people, by the people” should mean more than just voting for the lesser of two evils.
I understand the delusion of a self-governing utopia, but I honestly believe that human have the potential to achieve something very close to this, if the governing officials are actually on the same page. Ideally, it shouldn’t be a master/slave situation at all.
And to answer your question, people don’t need power over anyone else. What we really need is to awaken the power within ourselves, to understand the charade that is humanity. Plants and animals abide by the power of the law of the jungle/Darwinian struggle, but humans absolutely possess a higher potential than mere survival at all costs. We are super animals; let’s start living like it!
And to your second question; I don’t think anyone should be making decisions for anybody but themselves. It’s not the government’s place to tell me what I can and cannot put into my body, nor what kind of health insurance (if desired) I will opt into. The government should behave like a good moderator; stepping in only when there is an issue, and keeping law-abusers at bay. The current model treats citizens like they aren’t responsible enough to make true choices, so we have a babysitter situation.
Of course, most people ARE indeed ignorant, so this is half of the issue.
The problem is, we are now in a situation where the government just leverages EVERY issue as abuse/safety, then convinces the whole to submit freedoms under the guise of national security. THIS is what I am referring to in regards to the power ratio.
@Bruce… whoa…. wish that wasnt just a TV show :)
also, “you need a NEW paradigm, not a change to the existing one.” i cant quite grasp that… how do we create a new paradigm? you mean a new (parallel?) culture shud arise that exists independent of the current one? im seriously clueless here…
I think a big part of the problem is the lack of money in education. If teaching were a competitive industry, with kids being given engaging Ted Talk style lessons, it could be completely different, but many teachers are made to feel like failures, and that comes off in the teaching. Granted, there are many brilliant teachers out there, but it could be so much better.