Hey guys I am new to this site so I am not sure what people have to say about this topic but it has been on my mind for a few years now. It’s hard to talk to people about immortality because I feel as though I am surrounded by Christians that may judge me based on my opinion. Nevertheless, I see the current research going on in developmental biology with regards to limb regeneration and growing new organs from the patient’s own cells. It seems we are on the brink of extending life by a significant amount but there are underlying issues that may still keep us from seeing immortality. I currently do research in neuroscience because I feel that the brain is the missing piece to unlocking immortality, at the same time computer science and different fields of neuroscience are combining making me think that one day we may have synthetic neurons that do not carry the same problems as our biological neurons do now. Coming from a researchers standpoint even if we do have synthetic neurons that do not have flaws and we can regenerate limbs and grow new organs, we do not know what other biological processes could malfunction after the age 150 or even 200, that being said immortality may be much further than we think. Feel free to openly discuss I appreciate any and all feedback, thanks!
You are correct there is no NEED for something synthetic but if a synthetic brain is developed and it is superior to ours why not. The technology for it is also advancing at such a fast paste we may reach it before we can conjure up the solution for neurodegenation and other brain malfunctions that hold us back. Think about the generation of limbs, we have had prosthetics way before knowing we can regenerate, the problem is the prosthetics are not as good as our actual limbs so there is still a need to research regeneration. If we make a synthetic brain that never deteriorates and can compute information as fast as a computer why would we need to keep researching when the problem is solved?
Nothing synthetic is needed. The body is already capable of immortality. Scientists have found that “aging” is mostly due to shitty health. Some people have lived for way longer than what’s normal. The body is capable of immortality, one must simply find out HOW.
As for a technological invention that’s superior to the human body… not gonna happen. This body has developed for millions of years in nature, something way more advanced than anything mankind can even hope to achieve in a very long time. And by the time we can create those things, we’re most likely alread superior to them. I really doubt that people can invent something superior to themselves.
Not to mention that the technological improvements would have to be organic, organic technology is something that’s barely even discovered yet.
Some guy I work with started telling me that scientists in Europe found a way to halve the aging process by extending the telomeres in our DNA or some crazy shit like that. Apparently what causes the degeneration of DNA is the bombardment of from the energy creating process of our cells. I dunno, I’m not a botanist.
@manimal, im with you. They say the minute you are born, your body is capable of living 200+ years, but the air and food and everything we input slowly kills us. And even that 200+ number is an estimation, its probably much higher then that even.
Great that the first consecutive responses have that answer. I whole-heartedly agree. There are scientists that have said that there are people alive today that, due to their age curve related with the developmental technology curve, have met the “escape velocity” of death. But what you discuss involves other factors, a third and fourth curve, of which almost all persons are fully unequipped. Those curves are the non-dualistic (no longer mental division of logic and spiritism) mastery of the mind of the individual and then the culture. These technologies will advance immensely, but unless we solve the internal problems of death, modifying it with only the “EXTERNAL” mind in proper order will bring around serious problems and may not be pleasant for those who have to live that life.
Reaching the escape-velocity of those curves as well, bringing about a deservedness and thus having earned of true continuity, is not something that the individual has a very cultivated opportunity to do in this world culture as it is. This is in fact an unnatural state but one that we’ve put on with the Maya, or Veil, over the third eye of the mind. It’s the common misconceptions of reality we have dived so deeply into that bring about unsustainable mindframe and ultimately death. As we develop as a race, the technology will probably be what allows a lifetime in the context of this world to bring about a true mastery of himself that may facilitate true sustaining. Once individuals on a more numerous level going with it, then the culture as a whole – including each individual and their own curve – will exponentially work up to this as well.
I’m not sure what you mean when you say the body is capable of immortality on its own. I think if this were true there would be at least a few people close to 200 years old and even then that is no where near immortality even trees being thousands of years old eventually die. The reason why humans can make it as far as they do now is because we have an understanding of certain chemical processes that occur in biology in which we can manipulate or feed certain chemicals to sustain the processes. I would agree with the statement that we can live forever but we need to find out HOW, and I believe the answers are there but I do not believe our bodies are naturally capable of living forever.
I understand nothing synthetic is needed and I get that humans can reach immortality without it. Humans have the potential to reach immortality but I do not see why a biological way is any better than a synthetic way, if research is being done on them then it is only a matter of time before one way emerges first. People may say nothing synthetic is needed and the body can manage on its own, but if research shows a synthetic system works and the biological research has not shown any positive results then do we just toss a plausible answer away and wait for something better or do we go with what we have and continue to build off it.
Immortality is impossible without technical intervention. The reason why is this, as mitosis occurs and your cells split, the telemeres shorten (decay), the telemeres ensure that the chromosomes don’t decay or fuse together. The reason this occurs, is because of something known as the “Law of decreasing returns.” Which means this, say you have a photograph, and you want your friend to have a copy. So you copy it and send it to your friend, your friend then decides to send a copy to his friend, so he copies it and sends it to his friend. Say this process goes on a thousand times, the quality of the picture would have decreased significantly. That’s what happens when you take a copy of a copy of a copy, aberration slip in. This is the same thing that occurs with DNA after an extended periods of mitosis. All unhealthy behavior does is speed up the process, but it occurs regardless.
@imhotep, You’re making me feel sorry that I got into a fight with you. Thank you for your contribution.
What I want to say is this: People like to think about immortality, because it makes them feel alive, sacrificing their deeds because of their pathetic human needs. They really believe they are immortal for a second, they are used to this, there’s no rationalization in their minds, because they need to hide their fragility. They are taught to act like it’s normal for a human being to prove something, they forget they are made of flesh, that they are human, that they are vulnerable as anybody else – they don’t appreciate it. Human nature, it makes you believe you are anyhow different when you just feel happy about your feelings, selfish hiding idiot.
Every human being is trapped in mortality. That’s why they try to act like they’re immortal, hiding their not so mysterious normalities to make themselves look like non-righteous sentimental and weak fragile crying pride-eating nameless mediocre wannabees.
Please, tell me about your existence. :)
Some of you might be interested in that article. The women who is being talked about had immortal cells. Literally would not die after a certain amount of replications. Sadly she died at the age of 31 of cervical cancer. I’m not sure if the fact that her cells were immortal means that she would have lived forever. I’d have to look into it further, but if one of us can be born, although the chances are slim, as a human, and have immortal cells, the current state of the human body can’t be too far away from being able to sustain itself indefinitely forever. As long as we have sufficient food sources of course.
“Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present”
Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote that. I’m not contributing much to this but I like that quote.
@amphryde, how would they have found this out – just randomly tested it? I want to know. But I’m too lazy. Someone spoon feed me.
Also I thought that it was simply they used her cells not because of any particular reason of immortality, but just because of randomness – they chose a random person, and propagated her cells. From what I understand, most people’s cells do actually propagate forever outside of the human body, but maybe I am wrong?
@ijesuschrist, Well, from what the article says, she’s unique since her cells replicate without ever stopping outside the human body forever. They’ve been doing this for 60 years approximately.
She was dying from cancer and the doctor that was treating her took a cell sample, he recognized what her cells were doing and kept them without her consent. Now they’re used in most research since they have such a large supply of these cells since they’ve been replicating for so long.
An interesting trait of her cells is that they can be frozen, and then defrosted later and they’ll just go back to replicating.
In research those cells, referred to as Hela cells, are genetically programmed to express certain characteristics of diseases such as mutated proteins. With that knowledge eventually research will give rise to novel proteins that could repair some of the issues related to aging. The gene, which is the program to produce a protein, can be inserted into living cells within humans and perform tasks that currently can’t be done naturally.
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