I believe in God but I don't believe in Religion. Religion is Bullshit and Lies
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@omallen, Yikes, that’s exactly why I don’t follow religion. Sin? That’s a concept made up by humans. Look at animals, they fuck relentlessly all the time. Bears eat animals alive. Those are sins right? Nope. Read the Tao Te Ching if you want to understand the way which by the way (sorry for the pun) Jesus used. He was not a Christian.
Sure, you can believe whatever the fuck you want I’m not going to try to change your views but I can offer you information if you want to learn something.
i think most religions are similar at the core: they emphasize love, kindness, and a desire to be better. it’s the little things we fight over. when a member of the church condemns a person for sinning, i think that goes against what most religions, including christianity, were founded on. the first two commandments are to love God and love others. likewise, however, if you say you believe in God but not religion, and even if you don’t believe in God at all, judging others by calling them liars and hypocrites doesn’t really help you any. this also goes against loving others. i think whether you are religious or not, the only way to live is to live what you believe and put priorities first, by loving others. judging is not loving. there would be no problem with religion if everyone just loved. and hey, if you’re against Christianity and you can show everyone else how you can be as loving and joyful a person as Christians, maybe you’ll start to convince them that they don’t need religion.
i think most disagreement stems from a misunderstanding. most Christians misunderstand the Bible in the context it was written in, and therefore take the whole thing literally. when you really start to study it historically you realize that it truly isn’t a rulebook straight from the mouth of God. that is not an opinion, it is a conclusion drawn by most biblical scholars. it is human’s interpretation of what they believed to be ultimate at the time, which was not in a scientific age. sadly most church-goers will plug their ears and scream “not listening not listening!” if you try to say that the flood story in Genesis is most likely not factual, or the creation story is just a story to help explain the origin of the world without the help of science. that doesn’t necessarily have to challenge their faith but a lot of uneducated believers think it does so they won’t even listen.
i think the arguments between religious people and non-religious people, and arguments between religions are just hostile and heartbreaking. i wish people could be more open-minded and accepting.
@trek79, Beliefs are good up to a point, if you don’t send action to them though they are worthless and just thoughts like any other thought you have boiling in your brain. Meditate and follow the flow of the Tao and the rest is not important anymore. Simply stating we have a way of human nature to follow and the rest is irrelevant is incorrect however. If you follow your human nature like most people do you are bound to be drawn into the ego based thinking mind, practicing and following the way of the tao corrects this.
@omallen, I’m not going to make you do anything, if you want to open your eyes to more knowledge and want to further your growth so your not trapped in by religion then go read it. If you are fine living like that though then don’t, it’s your call.
I think it’s ridiculous how churches like that claim to “welcome” homosexuals but will not allow them to be members. How can you reduce someone’s religious identity to merely “homosexual”. Assuming homosexuality is a sin, and that is why they are not allowed to be members, then you’re saying you can judge someone based off of one of their sins. I myself have told many lies throughout my life, and heck there’s a good chance I might not be entirely honest again, but would you characterize my entire being as a liar? The point I’m making here is you’re branding a large portion of the population with the term homosexual which according to you is a sin. If what you say is true about all sin being equal, then you shouldn’t be allowed to be a member either. Jesus, the flesh incarnate of the living God made no known reference to homosexuality throughout the Gospels. What he did say was that we should not judge, and that sometimes someone like the prostitute has a better chance of attaining salvation.
@emmaclaire, “but i say, well, if we are trying to understand something that is so far from our reach, doesn’t it make sense that there would be so much disagreement and misunderstanding?”
It does indeed make sense. But at the same time, if we are all trying to understand something so different from us, then we should be able to agree that none of us can understand it fully. Religions should be able to get along not only because they usually preach peace, but simply because of the idea that “your guess is as good as mine.”
I agree fully. The way I see it, people can believe in whatever they feel as long as they don’t push it on others or cause pain and injury as a result of whatever they may believe in.
Personally, I believe there is something larger at work in the universe. Though I have no idea what it could be (and don’t feel the need to define it), I won’t limit my thoughts to a single entity that is so difficult to be proven either way.
“just a lit fuse in the back of the pews
watching a thousand flavors of the same god feud” – Holy Smokes by Aesop Rock
So yeah, I think if people can remember that point of righteousness, to be compassionate despite what you or they believe, and do not forcefully impart knowledge, then you have the foundation to regulate all knowledge with that constantly in mind. I think that people have general conversation and talking about anything you know, or think you know, is only natural, but some point comes when you or they begin to get alienated or frustrated about it, and that is the time you communicate that to the other and leave it there.
It helps if people can be open minded and have no expectations of conforming to the knowledge of others, but that simply isn’t how it is, more often than not.
Life is not a problem to be solved, it is a mystery to be lived. You guys are all essentially philosophers. People can debate and ask questions but it will NEVER get you anywhere. Only more questions will arise. When you dwell in the mind state asking for answers that are on another level you won’t reach anywhere. Instead of philosophizing try philosia. The level of our mind can only interperet ‘god’ as a concept. Where do you think the personification of god came from? We tend to view him as us and give him power as a diety. This is simply not the case, god didn’t create, he doesn’t judge. To call the Tao god is like calling an apple an orange, it cannot be done. Words cannot describe or bring you closer to ‘god’. Open your eyes, sit and meditate. Feel the stillness and practice practice until you know no-thing. This is exactly what I’m talking about, religion and views on god create separateness and an endless debate between us which causes war and a lot of pain. Get over the fact of a god. I AM.
I really enjoyed reading this. My friends all have mixed beliefs on the idea of God and Religion and The Universe in general. As of April, I have been going on a rollercoaster of different ideas & theories and such, and I feel like I’m getting close to the end of this “bubble” of knowledge.
Growing up LDS (Mormon), I was always told what to believe, along with expectations here and there of what I should do. I never was one to just listen to something and accept it as Truth, so in the last 5 years or so, I’ve been questioning literally everything that has to do with The Universe and my place in it. Anyways…
I’m just gonna type until I start falling asleep. I do not thing Religion has much of a place in the world anymore, at least not as heavy ass it is today. Way back in the bible days, I do think that was what they needed, or at least the majority needed. They needed something to hold onto for a simpler way to find kindness & good stuff.
BUT. Every age has its own needs. Today, everything is connected to everything. Meaning there is a massive amount of individuals sharing their own knowledge with others. Meaning, the general public is getting more evidence for and against everything, theoretically bringing everyone closer.
BUT…. We aren’t getting closer at all. In fact, we have a worse relationship with each other than ever before (as far as I know). Religion SHOULD be helping this. It’s what the idea was built for, but obviously that isn’t working….
Now, about sin. This is my personal model/theory that helps me out here & there… Sin, according to Matt Overstreet, would be any time when you are encroaching on others, or lying to yourself, or lying to others, or inttentionally meaning harm to another, etc. Still defining that one, but there’s a basic rundown. So, being gay would not be a sin. They aren’t encroaching on anyone else, meaning harm, or anything. Sure, they aren’t making more babies. First of all, do we really need more babies? Secondly, wouldn’t that make all single people sinners, too? People who die without making children?
Would you be sinning if you’re getting on someone else’s ass for sinning? It is their sin, their business. Now, if they asked you to help them, that’s another story. But you don’t need to be snooping in on others’ “sins”.
What else…… Idk. Just think about things and don’t be dogmatic. :)
@theskafish, but often people cling to religion because it explains everything, which makes them feel secure. if people didn’t cling in this way they would have to realize that there is a lot we can’t explain. i think it’s the same with science sometimes too. people say science hasn’t explained everything yet, but we will. i think we begin and end in awe. we start by trying to unriddle a mystery, and in the end the more we figure out, the more we realize there is so much we don’t know and can’t explain. a good example of attempting to close everything down, I think, was the rise of Christian fundamentalism a few decades ago. what we had here was an attempt to shrink everything down to strict guidelines that are easy to follow and leave no room for gray area.
i wonder if this kind of mindset rose out of fear.
once you start to question the Bible, you might say “this part is wrong/invalid/incorrect, but the rest is right.” well as soon as you deny one part of it the rest kind of falls to pieces. because you have to admit that it is at least somewhat fallible. if you decide one part was added in, contradictory, etc. then the credibility of the whole thing is just gone. and then you’re left with nothing, and that’s scary for some people. i think it’s beautiful.
I consider my self a to be quite religious but sometimes i really consider if i want to be classified with the rest of catholic’s. They say things just as it’s bad to be gay. They want everyone to be Christians. And also as someone said earlier they have this attitude that “I’m Right and your Wrong”. And i really don’t like it. One of the ten commandments is “Love your neighbor” (Probably wrong but i know that is one, i’m pretty sure). so by being arrogant you are disobeying God. But also to love your neighbor’s you need to accept them no matter the religion, sexual preference, or how they live. But that’s just how i feel
There are no Gods. What makes your God more real than Poseidon and Zeus? Good is the closest thing to a God we have for the good in all of us is a universal concept and understanding that reaches out to every conscious being and part of this universe. I am you and you are me therefore; WE are God.
I don’t know, I have no proof that there is no such thing as a deity but at the same time I’m not terribly confident in the existence of one. Even if there is a God though, human religion is flawed because think of this: we have so much trouble communicating clearly between different subgroups of humans, imagine how much trouble we’d have communicating with an extra-planar being. We’d have limited understanding of it, at the very best because a deity by definition is not of this world. Imagine all of the languages that the Bible, for instance, has been translated to over the years from its original language…I’m guessing by now the version we have is like being at the end of a game of telephone.
@omallen, I did not tag people to “bash” on you, now im convinced that you don’t read well or are ignorant. didn’t you read the part at the end where i put “reply HEthens if you want to correct me or try and reinterpret my mind”….. I put them for me, so if im wrong to correct or to reinterpret. stop trippin who cares what other people think about you, you’re going off topic. You are a typical ignorant person because if you even tried to listen well you would be making me question myself and conversate with me… Instead you get defensive and you are trying to make me feel sorry for what i wrote, i will never feel sorry. It’s clear to me by the way you reply to me that you are not used to someone being honest, theres so much bs in the world im not bullshitting you….stop getting defensive and try to reply back in YOUR PERCEPTION. Im here to conversate on this topic, im not trying to CHANGE you, i could care less, but shit like this can MAYBE help someone in ANY way. And don’t think that you are the only that i reply to, you are not that special. and don’t think that people don’t reply to me like i replied to you, it happens to everyone. GET WITH IT. Look at the comment under yours and you’ll see that is how people do it here. What do you mean people had “enough sense to not bash on my faith” i didn’t put them to bash on you -_-
Hi im just new here. i am sorrounded with people who is in religion, sadly they are family and friends close to me and people i love. But the more they convince me the more i get proof and realize i don t believe any of it,especially when they throwing me verses in the bible. I only believe them if they talk about love and respect with humanity,but for me it is universal and natural thing to do,it doesnt need a religion and some idol to worship. I am so angry with the idea with the saying everybody is born a sinner and we have to believe on something to be saved, so ridiculous, in fact, i believe everybody is born innocent and kind, but then nurtured with trashes and twisted beliefs as we grow and age. Humans only have 2 choices,to do bad and good,and the rest is survival and live happy. I thank this page to let me share this,for i cannot convince my loved ones on my own belief that they thougt is evil.
Catholics want people to be Catholic, not Christian. XD In my opinion the Catholic religion has born many a great faith in the Savior, but generally those who follow could be compared to modern day Pharisees. Continuing from that point, Christians don’t, or shouldn’t judge people (though you find it varies from denomination), yet that doesn’t stop making sinners, sinners. I am a sinner because I sin. All sin is equal. When I lie it’s as bad as murder, as bad as disobeying your parents, as bad as stealing a candy bar, or robbing a million dollars. In my experience with my recent church (great Pentecostal bunch), when someone who is a homosexual enters the church they’re treated just as everybody else. We don’t care. They cannot become covenant members though, and for this reason: it’s a sin, and the whole point of salvation is to walk away from sin, so when someone wants to keep their sin and deny it, we treat it very cautiously. We don’t shun them nor bar the church doors, we encourage them to talk to us and keep in pray. To be a Christian is to deny one’s self, and take up their cross daily. It’s a hard life, yet the reward is great.
@trek79, Yea for sure man. It’s a clusterfuck at the end of the day to be honest. I consider self growth to be the most important aspect of religion, if you can do that then sure that’s no problem. However, if you are simply following so you can justify your irresponsible acts then that’s just fucked up. It really comes down to each person.