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Andrew M (@nighthawk)    1 year, 5 months ago

Hello everyone this is my first post on the site! I’m really excited because you all seem like such great people with great views. I am coming here today though because I want to achieve mind altering meditation. I have recently just starting meditating but I am not sure if im even doing it right. I really want to get deep into mediation though because I believe it has profound effects on ones life. I want to experiences my mind in a different sort of way, where i loose sense of my body and time. IF anyone has any advice on how to get started i would really appreciate it thank you!

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carson (@jamescarson)1 year, 5 months ago ago

Read the writings of experienced meditators.

Practice there techniques assiduously.

Write about your own experiences.

Find your preferred technique.

Practice rigourously and regularly.

Change comes with motivation, discipline and practice. If you really want to get somewhere remember that practice and dedication are key to achievement. Keep practicing, use the aforementioned principles and go do your thing! Good luck! @nighthawk,

And I’m sure others will post about their meditation techniques or a link to some if you don’t know any sources of information regarding meditation.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 5 months ago ago

Take a bunch of LSD, wait 15 minutes. Go outside and tell yourself you’re going to “meditate”
enforce the idea that “its only the meditation”.

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Matthew (@ojai)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, are you saying tell yourself the effects you are feeling is from the meditation, not the LSD?

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Andrew M (@nighthawk)1 year, 5 months ago ago

Hey thanks! @jamescarson! But do you have any specific readings and or techniques?

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@ojai, lol

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@nighthawk,

Understand the core concepts as you meditate, what I mean is, while you meditate, meditate on why you meditate, break down how it benefits you, for example me: (1) Strengthens my focus, (2) Puts me in a state for highest efficiency retrospection, (3) Puts me in a state where my mind is easily influenced by thought, making it programmable if needed, (4) Releases tension, both emotionally and physically, (5) Is equivalent to a power nap in its’ restorative properties.

Once you understand (understand = Knowledge + Experience) why you meditate, you then use this knowledge to build what you can ‘do’ with it.

Do NOT get to caught up in other’s practices, their framework works for them, you are not them, use their practices for context, adapt/adopt relevant principles, but keep the core thinking yourself.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

I am personally, deeply, and irrevocably offended by your suggestion. May the extremeness of your words not reflect humor, but rather an ATTACK on my VERY WAY OF THINKING!!

! RooOOaaAARr !

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carson (@jamescarson)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@nighthawk, – ill find a few for you of you want! There all over the Internet but it’s sometimes hard to find the diamonds in the sand If you get me. If you look on the high existence blogs there is a few really informative and interesting pieces about meditation that could be a good place to start.

Bear with me and I’ll send you a few links, I’m just about to tuck into a roast dinner :)

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@nighthawk, Begin with the basics, MASTER them, before moving on to the other stuff. Your level of mastery of the basics determines how good you will be at the higher stuff.
Begin with the basics, and MASTER them, that way you’ll save a lot of time and energy and not have to go back and do it over again.

Notice how a lot of those hardcore meditators spend years and years on meditation to get to the higher stuff? That’s because they lack structure, they just sit down and do meditation, trying to tackle the whole thing at once.

Use a step-by-step method and you can get there much faster with less effort. This is how I did it, and I got to the really mind-altering stuff pretty soon.

So first things first, KEEP IT SIMPLE. Forget about all the theories and stuff for a while, don’t expect anything, stay clear of mantras and that kind of stuff.
Just breathe really deeply, slowly, silently, and focus on your breathing. Just keep doing a few short sessions of this daily until you silence your mind and get used to that feeling of slight dissociation.

This is where you can start shaping your meditation. If you want mind-altering effects, try visualization, deep pondering, that kind of stuff. Or just watch the colours and patterns that morph in front of your eyes. Just pay attention to how different parts of you feel, that kind of stuff. It gets really trippy after a while.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@tine, que?

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Andrew M (@nighthawk)1 year, 5 months ago ago

Thank you everyone! I can not Believe how many responses I already got! I think i am going to like it here =)

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@manimal,

“Just breathe really deeply, slowly, silently, and focus on your breathing. Just keep doing a few short sessions of this daily until you silence your mind and get used to that feeling of slight dissociation.”

Couldn’t agree more.

“…try visualization”

I lack here, I understand it is my ability to concentration on a singular visual that is the problem, but could you break down how you go about visualization. I would like to see if there is anything I can take from it to improve what I have.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

No sé….

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Andrew M (@nighthawk)1 year, 5 months ago ago

Do you guys ever meditation with like binaural audio? Or stuff like that

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@nighthawk, I used to do it, but I found it distracting and out of control. I sometimes use a drone note or the shepard tone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeNUO2mg_vE

@tine, This may not be a satisfactory answer, but… try harder. Like you said, it’s about concentration. The only way to solve a concentration problem is to concentrate. Basics, grasshoppa, that’s where the magic is.
That being said, I do have a bit of advice. Instead of just creating a visual and seeing it, try also hearing it, feeling it, smelling it. Make it as real as you can, like a vivid memory.

You don’t learn this stuff overnight, practice makes perfect, patience is a virtue. When I started visualizing, the best I could do was a bluish blob that kind of somehow slightly resembled what I was trying to visualize. But over time I developed the skill with practice, it’s like a muscle. Think of it like power-ups for your “third eye,” a beginner can’t just grab the bar and bust out power-ups like a boss, he probably can’t even do one, but with time his muscles grow and it becomes easy. Same thing goes for visualization, it takes time to get good at it.
Just hang in there, be patient, consistency and persistence is the key to good results in anything.

Also, if you’re a lucid dreamer you could use your dreams to visualize. It’s much easier, and it conserves your waking time.

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Buchies (@buchies)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@nighthawk, You don’t need anything other than consistency in your meditation.These binaural audio things are simply not necessary. If you meditate daily you’ll eventually start to notice changes.

If you want advice on how to meditate all I can say is focus on your breath and nothing else. Don’t allow thoughts to be your identity. Not as easy as it sounds but it will come with enough time. Definitely read as much about meditation as possible but you can succeed without much prior knowledge too.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@manimal,

‘Instead of just creating a visual and seeing it, try also hearing it, feeling it, smelling it. Make it as real as you can, like a vivid memory.’

Very interesting, I don’t know why I didn’t see it that way, to make real, all senses must be engaged.

“Also, if you’re a lucid dreamer you could use your dreams to visualize. It’s much easier, and it conserves your waking time.”

Currently I am not, though not through lack of moderate effort, I don’t dream often. Any context in this area would be great, ever do a thread on Lucid Dreaming or Astral Projection?

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@tine, You dream every night, you’re just not aware of it. I don’t think effort is the problem, my efforts to have lucid dreams led nowhere… but as soon as I started becoming more present it just started automatically. If you don’t meditate before going to sleep, I recommend making it a habit, it’s a great habit in general.

I don’t think I’ve made a thread on lucid dreaming. And I don’t really know much about how to get into it, I just stumbled into it as a result of becoming present. So I’m not fit to teach that kind of stuff.

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madonna (@danfontaine)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I have tried this. Went and did something else before I started coming up though, can’t really remember. Mission failure.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@danfontaine, you can’t remember what you did after you took LSD?

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Adam Smith (@adamsmith)1 year, 5 months ago ago

Then do it

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GoodnightRobots (@goodnightrobots)1 year, 5 months ago ago

it’s a state of mind. if you want it enough, you can achieve it on your own terms.

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madonna (@danfontaine)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Can’t remember what compelled me to stop with the experiment. Next thing I knew I was loading changes of shirts, colored pencils, an orange and a banana into a tote, getting into my car and driving to my ex’s house because my Mom was coming home unexpectedly. It was hysterical.

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Dave (@ghostridin6)1 year, 5 months ago ago

@nighthawk, Ever heard of Vipassana meditation? A couple years ago I was trying to get into meditation but was struggling on my own, and then someone told me about a 10-day retreat where you learn how to meditate and get really deep into it. Seriously, I’m not sure how to convince you of this, but you should REALLY look into Vipassana. http://www.dhamma.org will tell you all you need to know about schedules and introduce you to the meditation technique.

The retreat is free, paid for by people who have done retreats in the past and donate on their own free-will, so it really speaks for itself. It is not connected to any religion, and anybody can do it. It is all about heightening your awareness, being in the present, and gaining complete control over your mind by examining how it works and being able to decide how you respond to things in your life.

I really hope you or someone on this thread will find this helpful! Peace.

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Nick (@nickc2007)1 year, 5 months ago ago

Your problems are “I” and “Want”. There’s a great little picture explaining this in the images section.

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