If you don’t believe a certain way you go to Hell?

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florida (@taylor222)    2 years, 10 months ago

Personally I have a problem with a belief system that uses a "bribe" to get good behavior. So why do people believe? Because if they don’t, they’ll go to Hell when they die? That doesn’t make sense. Beliefs have to make sense.

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florida (@taylor222)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Recently, i’ve been curious and interested in researching about other religions. My family is catholic and is pretty religious. And that’s what i thought i have been my whole life, but i never really stopped and wondered anything else, because it’s what i’ve always been taught. So when i started to think about it i got really freaked out, because the Bible says if you don’t believe this way and these things you will go to hell. I feel alot of people are the same and dont think much about it beacuse it is what they are “taught.” Which makes me think we are a very gullible society. If someone said you had to believe a teddy bear died for your sins or you went to hell, you would believe it because it is all you’ve ever know.
Not saying i don’t believe in “a” god, because i definitely think there is a creator. I’m not too much of a believer about reincarnation.
I’d love to hear your opinions, please no rude comments. :)

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Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21)2 years, 10 months ago ago

I am extremely skeptical of anything that discourages doubt and questioning, which are natural human tendencies. The only way any great discoveries or inventions were ever made was by people questioning what they thought they knew. It is how you progress. To simply accept something at face value is to deny growth, in my opinion. What if black people had never questioned their slavery? What if women never questioned the fact that they can’t vote? What if no one ever wondered whether there’s a possible way to treat illnesses? Question everything.

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R.V. Star (@rickvonstar)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Well either way you get an everlasting afterlife and either way it’s eventually going to get boring.

Christianity is basically a lose/lose situation

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JESUS OR HELL!

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Hailey Jahn (@haileyj)2 years, 10 months ago ago

If there is a God out there who is pissed off at you for having questions, is that the kind of god that deserves worship? Hypothetical situation: there is a boy who has only ever seen one girl in his whole life. Do you think she is flattered when he tells her he loves her, that she is the only girl for him? How much more would it mean to her if he searched the entire world, saw every girl out there, came back and said “you are the one for me, no one is like you, i love you”? If we never branch out and look at things for ourselves with an open and skeptical mind, if one tiny point of view is all we know, then does your praise for God mean anything? Does it mean anything if you believe out of fear and ignorance?
You don’t have to completely subscribe to a particular world view to learn about it. Just be open, skeptical, smart, and empathetic. See where it leads you. And if there is a god worthy of worship, he will be glad you did so.

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Joris (@joris)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Has anyone ever got their parents so far as to look into other things than(or then?) religion? If so let me know how you did it!

Seems impossible to me, only reply my parents would prolly give is that they don’t need to look any further because they already found the ‘truth’. And the bible also discourages it to look for other ‘things’.

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Joris (@joris)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Keenan

Naah, heaven is supposed to be awesome,.. but never been there yet myself

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Spencer (@spencer9812)2 years, 10 months ago ago

I’m atheist but I haven’t always been. I’ve done a lot of thinking over the past couple of years and I made my decision about an year ago. I think everybody has their opinions and people really need to think for themselves and not let others think for you.

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Em (@emily)2 years, 10 months ago ago

I think hell is just a state of mind (that a vast majority of people live in!).
@ Keenan “Christianity is basically a lose/lose situation” haha you should devise a poster that says that :)

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Spencer
I think it is somewhat ignorant to be an atheist because really, nobody knows the right answer. Saying that there is absolutely no god, gods, or some form of creator, is just as bad as claiming that there is. Not trying to attack you, just something to think about. I would call myself agnostic atheist if anything because I have no stance.

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Jared Edwards (@jaredwards)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Hell is earthly ignorance to truth. Truth is an uncertain future and realization of happiness within it.

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Dan (@danfontaine)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ Animus
My disposition as an Atheist, and I think I speak for many Atheists on this site; is that I do not believe in anything that has no evidence, but I do not disbelieve anything until there is overwhelming evidence against it. On a separate note. As in the famous example of the flying spaghetti monster, It is the responsibility of organized religion to prove their claims; it is not on us to disprove them. People are just falling victim to a gap in logic created long ago by people less intelligent than us – and calling it, Faith…
As for me, I find proof against God in the fact that life just makes more sense and is more navigable under the belief that the thing people refer to as God is simply the inner-self. So long as you externalize your inner-self, you are making impossible the integration of it into your personality. And you will never quite be who you feel that you are.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ Dan

Well stated, but I’m kind of confused on what you mean in the second paragraph. It just seems to me that you’d fall under the label of agnostic atheist as well, please explain if you disagree.

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Dan (@danfontaine)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ Animus
Hmm, well after some review it appears I guess I sort of am Atheist/Agnostic. I wouldn’t say I’m on the fence, but since I do allow the chance for things to be incorporated into my beliefs that were once non-believed I suppose that makes me kind of Agnostic. Reminds me too much of the word Amish for some reason, though. Which is an awful connotation.
I’m confused about what you’re confused about in the second paragraph.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ Dan

That’s a funny connotation, maybe it was my username that implicitly primed your mind to associate the word agnostic with amish, seeing that my username seems pretty close to it as well. But I think labels suck anyways so it doesn’t really matter.

I’m confused on how it is impossible for people to integrate their externalized inner-self into their personality if it’s that external inner-self that it shaping their beliefs in the first place. And I think people can be whoever they feel that they are, as in the case of Brandon Teena(portrayed in the movie Boys Don’t Cry) who was a biological female but felt that he was a male. Therefore as far as I am concerned, he was.

I don’t know, might have misunderstood what you wrote. Need to get to sleep in order to wake up for school at 2 pm haha.

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James (@jimbo)2 years, 10 months ago ago

To be honest you’re living in hell right now…

I mean if ultimately you would like to be one with everything then don’t you think the state we are in at the moment is hell?

Think about it

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florida (@taylor222)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ James
I have thought that we are sometimes living in Hell beacuse there are many bad things in the world, but also there are many good things too. Without the bad things we wouldn’t appreciate the good

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James (@jimbo)2 years, 10 months ago ago

I didn’t dismiss the fact that there is good in this world, of course there is!

…and theres bad.

but thats what causes separation!

in order to be separate you need two sides?

think some more

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Dan (@danfontaine)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ Animus
You make it unattainable when you turn it into an object/character outside from yourself, no?

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Heaven is bliss, hell is misery. They’re emotional feedback on your thoughts and actions. Cognitive dissonance and incongruence with your best self sends you to hell (makes you feel sad/angry/bored/apathetic) while clear intent and positive action sends you to heaven (feelings of joy, love, strength.) It’s all in this present moment, not after death.

This punishment or reward after death, that’s something the priests and kings added into the bible in order for people to obey their rule. It’s got nothing to do with the actual teachings of Yeshuah or any of the guys in the bible. Religion fucked up an otherwise good book.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Hell is not a place.
Maybe if you don’t believe a certain way you do ‘go to hell’
Maybe those who deny their lives, and even more deny their own deaths go to ‘hell’ I’ve thought about it a lot. It’s like going to your dreamland, everything there is so familiar. Maybe because of DMT?
But Imagine when you die, you just go off to live in the dreamworld where you create the reality around you. Those who deny this whole process could enter a ‘void’ where there is just darkness. They are aware of darkness, but they don’t even have themselves to think about it, because in their hell, they don’t even exist.
Maybe that’s why people try to reach enlightenment. Heaven on earth..

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florida (@taylor222)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ Alex
Please clarify what you mean why you say “deny their lives”
Also, are you saying after you die your pretty much living a life again? You just create it..? Hahah i’m not sure

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Taylor. Well, in a way. That would require us to define the word life first. However, I’ve never seen any reason to believe that life just stops. We don’t even really know what death is. I just simply believe after we die we enter a progressively more ‘real’ version of ‘life’ and the universe. A constant upward progression. To me, the more natural way of the universe is creation. Reality is extremely subjective.
What I meant about denying their lives, is that people sometimes have a tendency to do anything and everything that is bad for them. Some people don’t give a shit about themselves or their lives. Some people just refuse to live.
In all honesty, whatever is after death is the more ‘real’ version of the way things should be anyways. You spend only a small fraction of your time alive, and the rest dead. How do we even know we didn’t even put ourselves here? In theory, I could be a fish swimming around in a fishbowl, and my brain is tricking me into believing I am a human being with bigger and better things to do (but really, I’m just swimming along) Our brains are capable of doing this to us.

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florida (@taylor222)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Alex
Hmm i’ve never thought about that.
What religion are you?

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Alex That’s some awesome mind blowing stuff at the end. Haha, never thought of that before. Imagine waking up from that :D

About the second paragraph, swith out “sometimes” and “some people” for “most of the time” and “most people” and you’re much closer to the real situation. Sad, but true.

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