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yoinkie (@yoinkie)    1 year, 11 months ago

After watching clips of the movie, all I can say is…what the fuck. Its a cheap basement movie filled by a few idiots. Is the Muslim world really that hypocritical? They tell us not to judge them over the terror acts of a few select radical extremists, then start riots all over the world for a low budget movie that no one was ever meant to see? I’m just utterly confused. It feels like some people just need any excuse to riot and start violence. Thoughts?(I’d like to hear some muslims take on this movie and the reactions).

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1.61803399 (@drunkmonkmeth)1 year, 11 months ago ago

you seem to think that the people saying not to judge are the same people starting riots or else you wouldn’t think its hypocritical. Muslim people are individuals not a super organism.. treat them as such.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@drunkmonkmeth, where are your facts to back up the assumption that the people rioting are not the ones who told us not to judge? You can not make the assumption that all rioters are radical extremists, as there are tens of thousands of people rioting over the fact in dozens of countries now. Some major political figures have even come out and said some harsh comments towards America over the movie.

I dont even understand what your point is? Let them riot? Hold none responsible and right it off as “oh they are just all radical extremists, they will go away sooner or later.”

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 11 months ago ago

I seen thousands of Muslims with picket signs saying they were sorry for the way the rioters behaved. There is ignorance everywhere, it is not an us/them issue regarding Muslims, it is an us them issue regarding ignorance, and those who are on the side against ignorance are all kinds of people, including Muslims. Those who are ignorant are so divided because their ignorance causes them to hate others of ignorance also.
But there is a saying by Elanor Roosevelt “No one can make you feel inferior without your consent” this broadly encompasses offence also, that you cannot give offence, you can only take it. But so few people see the logic in that because they do not take responsibility for themselves. You don’t hate someone for having a disability such as ignorance because that is ignorance also, they are not blessed with the sensibilities you have been granted, that is a cause for pity not hate.
But having said that, it is no excuse to go out insulting people who are ignorant, because shit like this happens. You have freedom of speach but you have no concept of how others are not as open-minded as you, it is ignorance not to consider the ignorant.

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1.61803399 (@drunkmonkmeth)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@yoinkie, My point is don’t target the Muslim faith as a whole because some of them are pissed and causing shit.

You see a few middle eastern Muslims on TV saying “Don’t judge my people for the actions of a few.” Then you see some people of Muslim faith rioting and you think to your ignorant self.
“I just saw that one guy on tv asking not to be judged but now I see 100 other people rioting.. what a hypocrites all these muslims are.”

you’ve actually gone and judged a full religion of people based off the actions of a few because someone asked not to be judged by the actions of others… how pathetic is that?

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The Phoenix (@phoenixthepenguin)1 year, 11 months ago ago

The movie was most likely part of an organized plot to attack the US Embassy by Al-Qaeda.
This hasn’t been completely confirmed, but its highly probable.
This Young Turks video sums it up nicely.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@drunkmonkmeth, You are misconstruing my words. I said “a few people just need a reason to riot” from the muslim religion. Not all the rioters are extremists, many are just people of islam who join in any riot against America. Besides, 10,000+ rioters is a few? The 2000 kashmir cleansing of hindus, where two major islamic newspapers called upon all of islam to wage jihad on all hindus living in the area, killing 300 pundits and displacing 500,000 since is just a few islamic people acting out? I could go on but I dont really want to. There has to be some flaw within a religion when so many followers choose to act out such rages of aggresion over and over, against so many different religions, cultures and countries. I never targeted the religion as a whole, that was you making assumptions.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@alltoohuman, THANK YOU. Exactly what I was trying to get at. There has to be some flaw when so many extremists keep coming out of a religion. People like @drunkmonkmeth, dont help progress and find the root cause of this problem. They choose to ignore it and just chalk it up as “oh there is only a few extremists, dont be so ignorant and blah blah blah”. The problem is so many people dont know the history of the islamic culture and violence stemming from it over and over. Repeatedely, its followers miscontrue the holy book and become extremists who act out against people from all backgrounds the world over. This can not be an accident.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@alltoohuman, that is a good comparison. I just dont understand…this movie initially had less then 100 people view it. Why did some people choose to go find it out of nowhere and blow it up? That would be like me going to some restaurant in the middle of nowhere Egypt, here about a few people talk bad about America, come back to America and tell everyone that Egypt is against us. It doesnt make sense. The movie was the representation of only a handful of idiots thoughts and beliefs.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 11 months ago ago

Disciples in the past have created organizations. That was their relationship, that “we are Christians,” that “we are Muslims,” that “we belong to one religion, to one faith and because we belong to one faith, we are brothers and sisters. We will live for the faith and we will die for the faith.”

All organizations have arisen out of the relationships between disciples. In fact, two disciples are not connected with each other at all. Each disciple is connected with the master in his individual capacity. A master can be connected with millions of disciples, but the connection is personal, not organizational.

Disciples don´t have any relationship. Yes, they have a certain friendliness, a certain lovingness. I am avoiding the word ´relationship´ because that is binding. I am not calling it friendship even, but ´friendliness´ ― because they are all fellow travelers walking on the same path, in love with the same master, but they are related to each other through the master. They are not related to each other directly.

That has been the most unfortunate thing in the past: that disciples became organized, related amongst themselves, and they were all ignorant. And ignorant people can only create more nuisance in the world than anything else. All the religions have done exactly that.

My people are related to me individually. And because they are on the same path, certainly they become acquainted with each other. A friendliness arises, a loving atmosphere, but I don´t want to call it any kind of relationship. We have suffered too much because of disciples getting directly related to each other, creating religions, sects, cults, and then fighting. They cannot do anything else.

At least with me, remember it: you are not related to each other in any way at all. Just a liquid friendliness, not a solid friendship, is enough ― and far more beautiful, and without any possibility of harming humanity in the future.

Osho

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1.61803399 (@drunkmonkmeth)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@yoinkie, @alltoohuman, I just don’t like the labeling of “muslim.” as something bad.. being Muslim realistically isn’t any different from being christian. Some people there still take it literally.. A lot of people in america take the bible literally and a lot of them are horrible people because of it.

They don’t hate America because of Islam. Not even a lot of people in middle east and arab states hate America. It’s really just the citizen who have experienced the wars first hand.. seeing innocent people die because of our leaders. Evil men can use Religion can exploit these people to no end.

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Almeida (@xetado)1 year, 11 months ago ago

The riot was started by xiita (extremists) muslims, that are around 10-20% of the Islamic population in the world. Unfortunately, the media only show them, while the other 80-90% is roughly ignored. I think it’s a shame that they start a riot because of that, these fellows don’t represent God in ANY way, really. I’m just defending that it isn’t the whole Islam itself, it’s a foolish minority.

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1.61803399 (@drunkmonkmeth)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@alltoohuman, There are serious problems in much of the world period.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@drunkmonkmeth, so we shouldnt discuss these problems, try and find causes and solutions, and just sit back and do nothing?

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 11 months ago ago

A friend of mine said today in order to solve this problem, parachute a bunch of playstations in the highest extremist areas (desert areas). This will solve their epic boredom-turned-violence…

They are fucked up. They have no empathy. They are raised that way and will raise their children that way. They are so biased towards everything, they cannot accept anything. If they agreed with you on something, it would be OK, but if you told them after wards that you were not a muslim, then they would think you are satan.

Its a giant fuck wad of ignorance. A giant fuckwad of boredom, churning and bubbling in hatist – extremist education and mind-numbing. Its brain washing. Its fucked. A fucked up world over there.

I’m not talking about muslims, I’m talking about all the fucked up people who want to do violence to anyone who disgaree with them, which happen to be muslim or whatever. I don’t give a shit what they believe in to be honest. I give a shit when you start torpedoing people with explosives because they put subtitles on a fucking movie. You mother fucks.

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The Phoenix (@phoenixthepenguin)1 year, 11 months ago ago

In my stoned, sleep-deprived stupor, I just made a video about the Libya shitstorm and its’ connection with Innocence of Muslims.
Consider this my contribution to this conversation.

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L.T (@1love)1 year, 11 months ago ago

The way people view muslims these days are ridiculous. The very reason is the media, whom in a way controls the information you absorb. The muslims that the media dispicts are extreme radicals that are jihadists. These people are a very small portion of muslims but yet a lot of people think they represent the whole population. This is not true at all. Its like dispicting Americans as Christian fanatics who all love their McDonalds and work on Wall Street.

Its just sad how we are living in the 21st century and humanity has yet to unite as one because of our different ideologies. The day we unite will be the day that evil aliens attack this world for our rich resources but by that time it will be too late.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 11 months ago ago

It is not a “West versus Islam” thing it is an “Us versus Ignorance” thing, and you may be suprised to know that in proportion to the ratio of Westerners (namely my country) to Muslims (also my country) that I have met, Western ignorance out numbers Muslim ignorance here (as far as % go) but Muslims who show discontent here are put on a fucking watch list while fuckwits of every other persuasion are given a wide birth.
There is a clear majority of Muslims peacefully against ignorance and violence here, can’t say the same for the rest of us. These people are trying their hearts out. The main problem we have with Muslims is the second generation immigrants(the kids of those who came), because they are torn between cultures and have no firm identity. They are violent but in a gangland sort of way, not terrorism.

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, “A friend of mine said today in order to solve this problem, parachute a bunch of playstations in the highest extremist areas (desert areas). This will solve their epic boredom-turned-violence…”

Yes, my thoughts exactly! See, in some ways it’s a religious/cultural thing because it’s how people in these countries were raised for generation after generation. But consider this: what else do these countries have in common where the riots occurred besides Islam? The answer is, they’re all third world countries, and when people are that frustratingly poor, anything can be an excuse to riot. People are literally looking for one. Not only that, but look at history – people who have it really bad usually are the ones who cling to religion the hardest, because they have nothing else in life going for them – it’s all they have to cope with their desperation. I think it’s just like why people join gangs in our own inner cities, the main root of this issue is poverty and the frustration that goes with it, and the desire to ease the frustration by fighting back at something, to feel like they have power over something. If these people just had a little more money to go out and do things, maybe they would have more in life than religion and anger. I’m not saying they should take up consumer culture to the extreme that we do either because that’s a different kind of problem – I’m saying they should have libraries, sports equipment, musical instruments, computers, anything that helps them get inspired to do something and get rid of the boredom that leads to this.

Also, it makes me wonder how our country will be if our leaders keep letting the elite price-gouge the rest of us into the ground. Will we have hardcore, violent fundamentalist Christians roaming the streets, gunning down anyone perceived as “immoral”? If we don’t turn things around, I have a feeling this is where we’re going. Don’t say it can’t happen here, history proves time and again that when people are poor they get religious and angry. We’re really not so different, for good or ill….I’m sure we could have a Taliban here of our very own if people got poor enough.

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