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@ijesuschrist, why? Because it’s interesting to me, lol. My true loves will always be math and (to a lesser degree) the human nervous system, but I also have a fondness for plants. I regret that I’ve neglected plant intelligence (some have qualms with “intelligence” used in that way) for the most part until about a year ago.
All sorts of things:
-Punk Rock and Hippie Subcultures
-Aliens and other Supernatural Creatures
-Poetry and Storywriting
-the Creative/Artistic process, how to convey passion and meaning
-Motorized vehicles of all sorts, cars/motorcycles/boats and ships/planes/helicopters whatever
-Psychology, the mind, and the brain
@dalniente, I have a qualm with it…
Their sensory patterns are so riddled with cross talk and cascading pathways and agonist and repressors and so forth, its a tangled web of interactions. Its like trying to untie a “HEAP” (lol) of tangled phone cords – I pull on this one and the whole thing moves, if I remove a few cords, I Can see which ones its tied closer too.
but really – its like, EVERYTHING effects EVERYTHING in plants… To make GMO’s that are successful in any right is quite the accomplishment!
@mwlucky, Philosophy and Persian Litterature, East Asian-Philosophers and Greece Philosophers.
Sa’di, Omar Khayyam, Ferdows, Khwaja and Jami.
Sun Tzu, Lao-Tzu and Confucius.
Euclid, Homer, Socrates, Plato, Augustus and Aristotle.
Do any have other suggestions (philosophers, thinkers)?
@ijesuschrist, I would agree that it’s often used lightly. The intelligence of humans is certainly much more complex, but there also is debate over how exactly we should define “intelligence” in the first place. For our intents and purposes, would you agree that it’s interesting to see how plants have adapted to respond to stimuli in certain ways? Although I do prefer “perception,” it could be seen as a certain kind of intelligence (although with the lack of self-awareness, I prefer the first term I used).
Exploring into the realm Nothingness is one of my absolute favorite things to learn about or discuss but some other philosophers I enjoy learning about are Thomas Merton “Conjectures of a Guilty Bystander”, Alan Watts and his discussions as a whole, and Nietzsche and his idea of the super-human.
A short list of things I like to learn/think about:
- persuasion, communications, marketing, propaganda, and motivation (hence my display name)
-different languages (i’ve studied Latin and Russian)
-geography (particularly in terms of cities, and even more specifically in the US)
-i am also fascinated by art history, which is weird because I grew up not liking art very much and was a big sports guy
As for theorists/people/thinkers, my shortlist is:
Finally a fellow lover of physics!
I found schrodinger’s cat a very interesting and mind boggling experiment.Try to read Stephen hawking’s book or if you just want the summary,
and a very interesting physics channel on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/minutephysics?feature=watch
@dalniente, Well plants have no intent that is – there is no thought, all of their adaptations (for all we know) were completely random chance.
However, it is very easy to see the difference between an orchid and a bee. A bee has intelligence, and intent, and reacts to seeing the flower, and can interact with the flower. The flower has no intent.
But in the end, it is just responses to stimuli, so I digress, it is the definition of intelligence.
@ijesuschrist, natural selection itself is most certainly not random.
In the end I think we agree. You also have much more experience in the field. I do think “intelligence” should be avoided in more formal settings, and I hold true to that thought.
Every now and then when I dunk my brain in the world of Astro physics, a man titled dr.Neil Tyson makes it really simple to understand. True genius can breakdown complex structure for simple minds like mine.
Philosophers my favorites is a long list but recently I found aldous huxley and classic Alexander Poe
Stuff actually worth looking into is illusions, Stuff your brain fails to understand. And sacred geometry! It a slow learning for me but cool none the less:)
Thank you for starting this thread. I found this site by chance a few days ago, and it’s always interesting to learn what members of the community are interested in.. as it often points out subjects that I have yet to come across.
Some of my interest include: (In no real order)
The Universe and Cosmology
Eastern Culture and Philosophy
Philosophy in General
Ancient and Modern Religious and Spiritual Practices
Mythology in General
Again, thank you for the thread. I will enjoy going through and getting some new ideas on subjects to look into, as overall, I am a lover of knowledge.
@mwlucky, what kind of background in math do you have? People can go on and on about what concepts they learned about from some watered-down source, but quantum mechanics really demands a certain level of mathematical understanding.
As for your question:
• Differential geometry
• Plant perception
• Kalama sutta
@dalniente, Depends what you define as random… In random I mean, the mutations that occur aren’t intended by the organism, and thus the selection is not intended, but rather “random” – however survival of the fittest, in the sense that the strongest survive isn’t random but how there are different fitnesses in the landscape of organisms, is… generally accepted as random.
I read an incredible book about evolution (one of my absolute favorite topics) it was called “At home in the universe” DEFINITELY recommend that one.
@graschi, Omg Newton was such a crazy fuck.
@dalniente, Plant perception? Like my work? Signal perception -> transduction -> reaction?
You like that? Why lol
I find how to make illegal chemicals (drugs) fascinating, and how people get away with it.
I find how these drugs affect the mind incredible…
I find growing plants and horticulture fascinating…
I love watching other people do art…
Astrophysics is very interesting, in lay-men terms.
I find electrodynamics incredible (tesla)
Otherwise everything else sucks
@ijesuschrist, I did specify “natural selection itself.” and that is one important distinction to make. Certain things like genetic variation and factors organisms are exposed to could be called “random,” but the survival of certain organisms (and, in extension, the continuation of certain genes) is specific in how well-suited they are for their environment.