I know I’m not! I feel like we’re forced into accepting this, and making ourselves okay with it. Deep down, I don’t believe I’ll die of old age, or anyone in my generation for that matter. I truly believe our technology will advance enormous amounts due to the theory of singularity and we will either achieve immortality or an extremely long life span within my lifetime.
But back to the question….
Are you truly okay with dying? If you had an option to choose immortality, would you choose it? What helps you accept the fact that you and all you know will cease to exist in the only way you have truly known?
I am totally, completely okay with dying.
Not as some distant thing that will happen to me that I don’t have to think about now.
Anytime, however it may come. You probably don’t believe me.
Six months ago I would’ve had to say I’m scared of death.
But after listening to Alan Watt’s lectures on death I was forced to really face it and spent a lot of time thinking about it. I’m not going to explain it all here but basically I see my death as exact and natural as leaves yellowing and falling off trees. If you recognize that all of life as we know it is an energy/wave on one level or another, you can come to terms of understanding that yours and everyone else’s life is like a wave. Waves come in many forms different variations and frequencies. There’s the obvious sound/light waves we’re familiar with, as well as other patterns such as day/night, waking/sleeping.
The problem with death is we can’t see the other side; the trough. There are no waves that have crests (life) with troughs (death).
And here’s the crazy part: YOU ARE THE WHOLE WAVE
but you can’t recognize it immediately, because you’ve been playing that you’re only this one person, this one side of it. Haha hard to explain if you haven’t listen to Watts or aren’t familiar with eastern philosophy.
Be sure to do a search for “Alan Watts on Death” on YouTube.
this is a cool one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioFG999aOCs
@anjelica, being human feels like we have amnesia, like were here for some divine purpose we agreed too… In the past, I’ve had many psychedellic experiences and always saw “ladders” and “levels” in these visions. It feels like were here to get up some levels. Human life feels like we are soil to water… to clean the contaminates our of our spirit perhaps. Great thread :)
“End? No, the journey doesn’t end here. Death is just another path… One that we all must take. The grey rain curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it. White shores… And beyond. A far green country, under a swift sunrise.”
Death is but another journey one must take. I don’t fear death itself, my fear lies in how death will take me. If I could choose to be imortal or to die like any other living thing, I would most definitely choose death. It’s like this Taoist quote: “Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don’t resist them; that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like.”
I’m pretty sure I will cease to exist when I die, that sounds bad but I figure I wont care at that point and if I am not thinking about life when I’m dead then why should I think about death when I’m alive? It would be granting too much time to death, I have forever to be dead why should I waste the little time I am not dead thinking about that?
I remember a saying, it is actually in the Bible: “The living are aware that they will die but the dead are aware of nothing at all” so I figure I will cross that bridge when I come to it, at which point worrying about it will be obsolete.
@iambrian, I would choose immortality in an instant, and I really hope it becomes available within our lifetimes. It would be awesome to have forever to reflect and grow, and think of new things to do with your life.
The only thing that helps me with the concept of death is to avoid thinking about it.
@theskafish, I really hope that sort of technology does not ever happen. We have disrupted the natural order of things enough as it is. If that became a choice for anyone I’m sure A LOT of people would be selfish enough to want eternal life, but that is just not natural. There are far to many people on this planet as it is, the last thing we need is for them to become immortal. Just sayin’ … please don’t take offense this is a hypothetical question afterall. XD
@amalthea42, No offense taken. But I do have a defense to my point. Simply, who is anyone else to deny someone eternal life? I think it should be there for those who want it, and if someone doesn’t want it then that is their choice. Personally I don’t think however many years my body will live is enough…there’s always more things to master, more places to go, more books to read, more interests to find and more memories to make. I don’t see how eternal life is selfish at all…..instead of people having so many kids, we could just become immortal instead. Instead of worrying about generations that don’t exist yet, we could take the best care out of all the ones that do exist here today.
Plus, no one said that being immortal would necessitate a human body, taking care of the concern about space. Have you ever read the graphic novel series called “Transmetropolitan”? In it, some people choose to become immortal by uploading their minds into a cloud of subatomic particles. They are still alive, take up next to no space, and require no food, drink, medicine, shelter, nor sleep. I’d live my life until I couldn’t use this body anymore, then I’d go foglet for sure.
Fear to the unknown is very natural. In order to escape from this fear I keep open mind to the fact that there is no absolute truth of things. This means, be open to any possibility. This is necessary to follow any of the following “ideas”.
1) Everybody dies, so it can’t be that bad, because it is not going to happen to me only.
2) There is a chance that there is something else after death. But probably you will not know about that state, pretty much the same way you don’t know before you came alive.
3) If before this life I was nothing, how is possible that after death I will still be something or someone.
4) Maybe I can’t remember anything before birth (birth of body, birth of mind, etc you pick any) because I can only remember things with a fully develop brain.
5) If it is there something before and after life then it is just one more cycle, like falling sleep and waking up, only differences are.
6) What about a previous life (non physical) where you and I behave or do good, and for this we were send to paradise, and that paradise is this material life. (Of course we screw it because we also gain free will).
7) If you are not afraid about ignoring where you came from, then why you should be afraid about dying? Really think about it.
8) Nature is full of cycles, life and death is just another one.
9) What if there is really nothing before and after life, would that increase your appreciation of your life? If so, are you waiting any “confirmation” about this dilemma to start appreciating more your life right now?
10) If there is something else after death, do you think is it material like this world? You can read, see, touch, smell and many things because are physical. What would it be in a no physical “after life”?
Who knows, go a try ideas about life and death, do it now, because nobody really knows what it is, so you have no other option but to formulate theories and be open to accept new ones.
@theskafish, That does sound really neat, I’d be ok with that. I wouldn’t deny anyone anything it’s not my place to. I just didn’t like the idea of just any idiot off the street to become imortal you know? If it was to be imortal in your human form I think you would have to be required to take an IQ test or something. Just to be safe XD What your describing kinda sounds like this anime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Experiments_Lain
As for the future generations I think having new people grow into unique individuals is good to have in this world. :)
@cognizantelephant, mastering things is whatever use you want it to be. For me it would be the experience of making cool things, of doing something worthwhile with my existence.
This is why I’m so bothered by the institution of work. When we’re born we have this whole life ahead of us, but then we have to go and get jobs and spend the rest of our healthy years doing stuff for society and not for ourselves, not even coming close to living how we actually want to. You don’t get more than one life, and most of us don’t even really get to use that…if you were immortal, then no one could hold food and shelter over your head, no one could use lack to bend you to their will. You’d be free to just be.
@theskafish, you are right, there will be a lot of people that would like to live for ever (younght hopefully haha), and others would prefer the “one shot” approach.
It is like choosing ice cream flavors chocolat VS vanilla but you can only have one.
Don’t judge, don’t say what side is better or worst, just respect and remember that if there are any choices, you WILL find people that will take any of the choices. What about a third posibility, I choose to died but get revive in 20 years (if technology makes it posible, remember there is already dead people on frozen state “ready” to be revive when the tech is at hand).
What if dying is a WOOOW trip, and I wanna do it several times??? heheh keep mind open
@amalthea42, actually, I think I’ve seen some of that anime before. I’d like to see the rest someday, I’ll have to get in touch with my friend who has it.
I don’t know about the IQ test before….just because someone is not smart doesn’t mean they should be sentenced to death, sounds too much like eugenics to me. Not only that but if they could live forever, then hopefully eventually they’d get smarter. And why do most people do dumb, or criminal things? Lack. And with immortality, lack will no longer be a problem.
@theskafish, Have you looked into the works of Professor Aubrey De Grey? Very fascinating stuff. Search for articles on Telomeres and immortality as well. I don’t quite know if we can achieve immortality, but I do believe we have the resources to live for hundreds of years.
I’m not only okay with it, I’m actually kind of looking forward to it. Not to say “excited” but maybe that’s a little too enthusiastic.
I believe that there must be something after death, since nothing is also something. I can’t imagine what will happen and I have a pretty open mind regarding this question. Maybe I’ll be reborn. Or go through the same “life” again and all the mistakes I make are to learn lessons I didn’t learn in my last life. Maybe I’ll just chill with some god with 8 arms and have conversations about what eternity is. Maybe I’ll lose consciousness, my self-awareness, the thing that makes me,.. Me. And just float around as a lost soul. Maybe the left over energy will forever be on earth and people will be reminded of me whenever some of this energy flows through them.
Death is not the end, just another journey. And I can’t wait to see what happens afterwards. This is why we should not be scared to die.
Because as long as we ‘are’, death is not. And when it happens, then we don’t exist anymore.
Anywho, I’d still be pissed if I died right now, even though I’m so curious about what happens after death that it’s ALMOST worth considering suicide. But I will one day (hopefully..) die a natural death when it’s time. So no need to rush things.
I’m still young, only 18 (well, in exactly one month…) and there’s still a lot of things I want to do. I’d really be pissed if I couldn’t do those things.
I’d probably look death in the eyes and shout: “Are you fucking kidding me? All my life I went to school, worked hard, did my best, sacrificed my weekends… For this?! No, it’s not time yet. Fuck you!”
This kinda makes me realize that I’m not really living life to this very day. I’m unhappy most of the time because I feel very limited and there’s a lot of restrictions. I don’t even like the place I live at.
Isn’t it funny how people think that “real life” starts after highschool? Wait, no, it starts after College? Or uh, no.. I mean it starts when you retire?… And then you die, and never really started living, because you’ve been waiting for ‘real life’ to start without doing anything yourself.
“Real Life” is always. It’s right now, it was yesterday, even 10 years ago it already was. It’s up to us to make the most of what we have. Because with every passing second, we’re a step closer to death. And who knows, maybe we’ll never get the chance to really ‘live’ again.