is it possible to have a bad time on mdma
I was at a party last weekend and I had 2 pills of MDMA.. I was Rollin for the car ride there (no one driving on molly) but once I stepped inside the party I felt the weirdest vibe. Not like how I remember my molly. I’ve done MDMA a decent amount of times and it has never been like that. Can someone shed some light on why I might of had a bad time? Thanks !
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@splashartist, No man, MDMA is not the same as Ecstasy. They are two different things.
Ecstasy, as pointed out earlier, was originally MDMA, however, in the past 2 decades it has been known to represent a hodge-podge of amphetamines, sometimes containing MDMA, sometimes not. MDMA stands for methylene-dioxy-methamphetamine. Which is the only accurate ingredient in the true drug. True MDMA is usually small crystals, further elucidating that it is 1 pure compound. While pills can be white powder, which is just a bunch of different chemicals.
The only way to tell if something is pure MDMA is to see it as solid crystals, which is sometimes possible, but white powder you can’t tell.
MDMA is not as dangerous as you seem to be claiming. Its on par with a large dose of adderall or ritalin, which is of course not good for you, but doing it a few times a year isn’t going to kill you, in moderate or low doses. But that goes with everything, doesn’t it? Coffee, ritalin, ibuprofen, aspirin… if you’re not a dumbass there isn’t a danger of physical damage to the brain. If you’re a dumbass, yeah – these are tools, and using tools childishly and in an immature way will result in mistakes being made. (Don’t give a child a nail gun, right?)
All things in moderation.
as for the OP:
Yeah, of course. These drugs amplify feelings. If you’re feeling down and you take MDMA, or if you go to someplace you feel uncomfortable, it’s not going to be pleasant. Just be smart, and don’t take too much. And if you really want MDMA, look for crystals, which indicate purity of a single compound.
@splashartist, Hey man, i think you should be the one that is careful about spouting misinformation. It’s actually pretty easy to tell the difference between a pure MDMA and a laced sample. Not saying that your friends were naive, but the pure crystalline form is not the same as ecstasy. The pure form is referred to as Molly and really isn’t that dangerous if you don’t abuse it. With the right dose and drinking water, anyone should be just fine. It’s possible to have a nasty come-down, but I’ve personally never experienced one and it isn’t going to fuck you up mentally for life. It’s statements like this that keep people scared and UNINFORMED that there is a simple solution such as taking 5-HTP supplements the next day to balance out your levels. With a little experience, it’s easy to avoid the adulterants and have a positive MDMA trip.
@zoomin454 MDMA is a phenethylamine, the chemical we believe is responsible for the feelings of new love. Studies have shown that mothers release natural phenethylamines when giving birth, creating a strong neuro-chemical love bond between her and the child. When giving children doses of phenethylamine and recording their relationships with their parents, the drug would either create a stronger bond between an already bonding relationship; or, it would also increase the separation between a child and mother who already had a poor relationship.
I believe MDMA works in a similar manner on our brains, releasing serotonin and that could exacerbate your positive, loving feelings. But if you are in a negative, paranoid mindset, the serotonin will only amplify those feelings into dread, anxiety and terror. MDMA is technically a psychedelic amphetamine, so you should still carefully plan your set and setting to construct a positive roll next time.
@zoomin454, Actually I just did molly for the first time in a long time and it was super pure, really clean feeling during the rolling, and of course very potent. I didn’t have a bad time, I wasn’t fiending, I didn’t take TOO much either. Good company, etc. But I’ve come to find out that MDMA is just not my drug. I’ve done it several times now over a few years and both beans and molly just don’t cut it for me anymore. I don’t like the strong obviousness of lack of authenticity of my feelings. It became not uncomfortable, but just really annoying. I took a muscle relaxer to go to sleep after being on it for only like 3 hours cause I was tired of it.
Maybe you’re just growing out of it? I used to LOVE rolling and tripping and anything I could get my hands on pretty much. But now I’m just kinda like…. eh.
@splashartist, I get ya, that is definitely still a real problem. Have you heard of the bunk police? They setup tents at all the major music festivals like Electric Forest, Lollapalooza, Bonnaroo, etc. and offer free testing of substances there. They are a independent group that cares about this problem very much, and are trying to inform people and distribute testing kits. I bought one myself, and it’s very useful. It’s a simple marquis test that can test for dozens of different substances. Check out this page on MDMA and maybe pass it along to your friends, cause it’s extremely helpful in identifying what you have: http://bunkpolice.org/mdma-identification-guide/
I have never had “bad” times, but it is a psychedelic. I have heard that “Set and setting” are still key things to pay attention to when rolling. I have had “bummer” rolls, for a lack of better term, where I just didnt feel as high and I actually felt really disappointed. As for “bad” time, probably not too common (not saying it cant happen) but as for “disappointing” times, I vote yes!
@zoomin454, With almost every drug you can get a ‘bad trip’ or a bad vibe or whatever. There are many factors depending on this, one of the biggest being your mood before and during the time that you take the drug. So it may be possible that, conscious or unconscious, you felt bad before you took the drug.
@splashartist, False. MDMA and ecstasy is NOT the same thing. Ecstasy contains some MDMA but it is mostly other unknown, random shit. By itself, MDMA is not dangerous unless you take a LOT or become super dehydrated. Be smart and research your drugs before you take them.
Sometimes when you step into a whole new environment, it can be kind of overwhelming, especially if you didn’t even want to be there in the first place. I hope your roll wasn’t too bad though!
@zoomin454, Can you clarify a bit? Did you take a capsule or a pressed pill? MDMA can cause adverse effects in many people under certain sets/settings. What do you mean you got a weird vibe? That’s a little vague. Was a very negative feeling?
@filipek, I agree with that.. it is very possible. And yeah MDMA is ecstasy in its purest form. So they are not the same . Ecstasy is more than not cut with other drugs. @snaysler yeah it was a capsule . It was the complete opposite of every other time I’ve done it. Very negative. I just wanted to stay in a room. Sort of grumpy you could say.
@eimigaia, False? No. I’ll point out some of your flawed thinking maybe to enlighten you a bit. I hate ignorance when it comes to drugs.
First of all, MDMA and ecstasy are considered the same thing. Ecstasy is just slang. There is ‘cut’ ecstasy or MDMA which is what the ecstasy that you talk about usually is (if you want to get technical).
Second of all, you buy this shit on the black market. A drug dealer can tell you anything he/she wants and it’s hard to tell because MDMA and ecstasy look exactly the same (at least where I’m from) unless you get MDMA in pure crystal form. The kid i know who went into a coma was told the shit he took was pure. guess what? It wasn’t. So don’t try to promote ecstasy as a good thing if you don’t know the basics of illegal drug selling. Drug dealers DONT CARE. It’s cheaper to make cut ecstasy and market it as being pure to un knowledgable young teenagers who arent going to ask too many questions.
Sure, pure MDMA isn’t that terrible for you but it’s risky buying illegal drugs. Your logic only works if people were buying it from a controlled environment with regulations.
Also I forgot to point out. MDMA drains large amounts of serotonin out of your brain (hence why you feel so good when your rolling on it) and if used too much can fuck with your receptors and mess up your natural serotonin production which can lead to a flurry of mental health issues. And it’s so safe, righhht.
if you’ve done it a few times im guessing you know the following to a degree: mdma induces an excessive release of the neurotransmitter serotonin which is largely responsible for feelings like love and happiness so in theory having a bad time isn’t plausible. for the sake of maintaining neurological balance however you have a serotonin cutback after the roll which tends to be a pretty fucking bad time.
- in your case though, you might have grown a slight tolerance; i had a similar problem a few months ago where powder just didn’t really do it anymore. the euphoria was much more ephemral but the sad effects nonetheless struck so i took a break from it for a while. this isn’t one to really play around with on a frequent basis imo despite how awesome it is
@ijesuschrist, Like I stated ecstasy is cut MDMA (maybe my post was unclear. but yes they are known as the same thing to many people and a quick google search may confirm that for you) which contains other additives (and like you stated sometimes wont even have MDMA in it). And also, it IS dangerous if you read my post because it’s sold on the black market and a lot of drug dealers state it’s pure MDMA (because that too can be pressed I believe) so simply stating that it isn’t dangerous is stupid, really. It’s not regulated and controlled and a lot of young teens buy the stuff. And like I stated also, it’s not that bad but if even pure MDMA is taken too much it can fuck up your brain chemistry and give you depression. Even weed does this but to a lesser extent.
It just annoys me that people try to glorify drugs, this is usually only the people that do them so they can feel better about it or some shit. “ya cokes not even that bad for you man.” whatever though that’s just my stance on it.
@zoomin454, And of course your stuff could’ve been cut with so many different things.
A friend of mine did molly while he was on drug court (DUMBASS, I know) and when he got tested he didn’t test positive for MDMA but for coke and meth. (And it’s not like he’s the kinda cat to lie to my about doing any drug he’ll ingest.)
So maybe it was what it was cut with. Beans especially always have different fillers in them.
@versai, Some of my info is probably off, the thing is though there are tons of teens that don’t know a thing about It and if a dealer says its pure they will probably believe it. Its just not safe in an unregulated market. Even marijuana isn’t. I’ve seen MDMA which my friends said was pure and it was in pill form so either they were fooled by a dealer or you can press the pure crystal into a pill, I don’t know but it’s not really the point I’m trying to make here.
“I’ll point out some of your flawed thinking maybe to enlighten you a bit. I hate ignorance when it comes to drugs.”
By definition MDMA is pure 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine. It is a euphoric empathogen, stimulant, and phenethylamine. Pure ecstasy when taken in responsible doses (~60-100mg average to 200mg heavy dose) causes very few negative side effects and is relatively safe. MDMA increases blood pressure and heart rate, and can cause dehydration if you do not drink enough water. These are the main risks.
It has been shown to have promising treatment potential for PTSD and autism. MDMA floods the brain with seratonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine. This causes euphoria as well as many other sensory alterations. In PTSD patients it allows them to talk openly about their experiences and let go of blocked memories. In autistic patients it can increase empathy and sociability.
MDMA does drain the body of neurotransmitters. An experienced user might tell you to stay hydrated and take 5-HTP supplements the day after to curb the negative. Part of using a drug is understanding the effects AND consequences of use. It is normal to feel slight depression for days to weeks after a good roll.
Ecstasy is a tablet form of MDMA. No measuring required, no dealing with powder. People press measured amounts of MDMA along with who knows what the hell into pills and sell them to people looking for a good time. These are cut with anything from DXM (cough suppressant/dissociative) to speed, analog tryptamines, heroin, and methamphetamine. The “mental health issues” it can lead to are short term ones such as depression and anxiety, which should be an expected possible outcome if you plan to use any stimulants or psychedelics.
Your friends got MDMA that was “pure” as declared by a dealer. That’s their own fault. You have no idea what it is sadly. Even pure MDMA is often cut with meth or speed. Either make it yourself from saffrole oil, spend $50 on a test kit http://dancesafe.org/products/testing-kits/complete-adulterant-screening-kit-0, or just stay away from it.
People that don’t know what they’re doing give drugs a bad name. I’m not glorifying ecstasy, I’m being real with you.
@ijesuschrist, I’m not trying to demonize the substance as it does that on its own (‘ecstasy’ anyways not pure mdma). Pure mdma once in awhile isn’t going to hurt anyone. ‘Ecstasy’ on the other hand kills tons of people and if you think it deserves to be in the hands of people with their whole lives ahead of them because it has “its place” then i think there’s something wrong with that logic. Same with any other fucked drug. You can say crack is a tool, maybe a tool to help with population control. Also, if someones relying on drugs to deal with anxiety they will never beat the anxiety and will have to use the drug to escape. It’s really just a weak way of dealing with shit.
@liveitloveit, Thanks for the post but i think it was already cleared up that MDMA is not terrible (not sure if you read the rest of the posts). Also, obviously we didn’t know if it was or not. That was my whole point, teens are uniformed and think they are taking something pure and then turns out it isn’t. More profit for the dealer so he doesn’t care that hes lying. That’s how lives are taken.
@splashartist, … “Also, if someones relying on drugs to deal with anxiety they will never beat the anxiety and will have to use the drug to escape. It’s really just a weak way of dealing with shit.”
Dude, cmon… you aren’t aware of the dozen or so studies out that shows MDMA cures depression and PTSD for war vets??