Is there a superior power controlling us?
Call it God, universe or something else…
@achyutram, though I am highly skeptical of such a being, we can’t say for 100% certainty that God doesn’t or does exist. God could exist but erase all proof of he/she/it’s existence, for any reason at all, including no reason. As far as controlling, again, it’s difficult to say. If we are talking about a deity as having unlimited power, then again it’s possible that such a being could be controlling us while giving us the illusion of free will. But without being able to tell if our free will is real or not, it doesn’t really matter. Personally I don’t like the idea of predetermination so I choose to believe in free will, whether or not a God exists.
@achyutram, There is a power that controls a lot of people. It makes people complacent and docile.
That power is the power of fear.
@achyutram, road accidents occur mostly because of stupidity. Not an overarching power.
But I would say a lot of our nature is driven by fear
Yes and no. We have freewill but I do believe that there is a higher power that watches us. I am not saying they watch you or me…. because honestly were not that special, but do they watch the world they created. YES
Yes. Why? Money.
It’s called consumerism and uses your needs, so you’re basically controlled by your own needs and the more you need, the more you’re going to be out of control.
Of course, besides food, water and sleep, there is also sex, violence, showing off, and amongst HEthens – psychopharmacology.
there is, it is called ( emotion ), often confused as ‘God’, and the reason random bad things happen is because, within this physical reality, there is only organized chaos, randomness is the consequence of this chaos, this is why the ‘good’, the ‘bad’, and the ‘weird’, all can just drop dead, either from something internal or external.
‘supernatural elements’ are used to bridge knowledge gaps, currently it is ( emotion ), “I don’t know why, I just felt that way sooo strongly I couldn’t help myself” …. ( yes they could )…. they convince themselves they have no control and use God / Satan / Evil Force / The Evil Eye….. etc, etc, to explain, ‘why they can’t help themselves’
There is absolutely no way we can know. Which makes the whole atheist/theist debate ridiculous. Believe what you want to believe, leave others alone.
we are. realize, believe, empower, teach, grow.
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@achyutram, It is only from the human perspective that a life ends.
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If you could see that all souls are eternal beings and they reside in a playpen simply to learn lessons until they realize they are part of the divine, then you would have no problem allowing so called ‘bad’ things to happen if you knew that you designed the changing imaginary world on top of another one that is more real and in no way effected by the game reality.
Imagine you designed a video game. If players ‘died’ in the game would you be upset. No because you would be aware of their continuity of life outside the rules of the game. We are in a movie called “life” and we do not control anything.
The intelligence of the universe, also yourself, was to design a place where anything and everything could happen so that all possible combinations of experiences could take place. By pooling the possible combinations and universes and realities, somehow this divine play reveals the truth of the existence that could not be known otherwise.
God is all there is or ever will be. An individual’s understanding and acceptance of this fact determines how much more stuff, “karma” has to happen to them. Simple really.
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@achyutram, If everyone ever born lived the full extent of their lives and died exclusively from natural causes, don’t you think things would be terribly out of balance?
All I know is that I make conscious decisions on the movements I make and the things I say. To say that I decide to do what I do is determined by something on a greater scale is not worth thinking about. I seriously doubt it though. Things just happen by chance and others actions.
At least that’s what I believe.
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@brandonphillips, You are right, the area of free will / local control vs. something else controlling is not really worth thinking about a lot. I have found that doer-ship is synonymous with karma. If there is no individual doer, there is no action, and there is no result. Then the experience is spontaneous (not random) and alive, without constraint.
In other words, as long as someone believes they continue to make decisions and that their thoughts are of personal origin, they remain trapped by cause and effect. When all actions are the actions of the universe unfolding, there is only one mover, the substratum of all (God), and the personal experience merges into that, being that, with no other. This is the first and final condition, the alpha and omega, the I AM. I do emanates out of I AM~
There is no control, that is, the future is destined. But it is destined in such a complicated way that there is no foretelling of it. There are Gods and God but these, too, are nothing in the grand scheme. The universe is much akin to a fractal, and we are simply an infinitesimally small (and large) portion. But not on a physical level, either, that is – our universe is the only universe in space, and planck’s constant is the smallest we can go.
But there is much more to all of reality than just this universe. Our physical universe is just kind of a ripple in this matrix of connected … stuff. There is more, much more, than just what we can see and even comprehend.
To say there is control is too simple. To say any of this is to be controlled would not give the complexity justice. Our reality ebs and flows here, and beyond, and all things are constantly dynamic.
@ijesuschrist, “To say there is control is too simple. To say any of this is to be controlled would not give the complexity justice.”
@healingchime, “In other words, as long as someone believes they continue to make decisions and that their thoughts are of personal origin, they remain trapped by cause and effect. When all actions are the actions of the universe unfolding, there is only one mover, the substratum of all (God), and the personal experience merges into that, being that, with no other. This is the first and final condition, the alpha and omega, the I AM. I do emanates out of I AM~”
Thanks be to God.
@healingchime, What you are saying reminds me of the ‘no self’ approach to life. That there is breathing and it is just breathing. Feeling and it is just feeling, and no self is experiencing it… it is just the experience on its own. I am typing now and it is just typing, not me typing but just typing. Life is just life and it is a non-dual state.
That there is no you, just everything else.
Do you live in a state like this? It seems to demand a lot of control over yourself to get there.
“If yes, Why would that power want to end some lives in despair? Like in accidents?”
If you had no concept of life/death and saw someone flying, wouldn’t you want to experience that? Likewise, if you saw someone falling, wouldn’t you want to experience that too?
‘Ending in despair’ is down to the individual’s issues, not the experience.
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@ameevee, Thanks for your question. I would say, not being shifty at all, that I do not live a life, I am life.
Accepting the human story I have become accustomed to allowed me to see that I am not the body or the story of the body. When I thought I had control, I used that idea to do stupid things. Now that I do not do anything, a continuous stream of goodness flows. My body still functions, and I still take care of my kids, make food, brush teeth, all that, but I do not feel like I will these things. They just occur. Sometimes great disappointment, frustration, even fear come, but I accept them as part of the movie. I cannot take credit for the writing. I have done nothing special. I have undone everything special to become nothing, and seeing the REALITY of this, not just the conviction is the bliss.
Without being all abstract in words, it’s hard to describe. But by looking into yourself you will find that who you ‘are’ is a malleable ever changing self portrait. Since I cannot see the one who knows the self-portrait, my mind is silenced. Everything else just springs from that silence. It’s a mystery and I love it. I hope not to offend people by saying these things, but for some who really like the personal story, it can seem threatening and almost ‘evil’. I had someone calling me names yesterday because I told them that deep inside everyone is pure. It’s only the outer garments that seem dirty, and that is only to make the show interesting.
Thats the thing about the mind, it wants to keep you running on a trip. Find the one who owns the mind, and like a dog being put on a leash, it goes with the master. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but all things considered, I am talking about God, as the source of the Self.
And the comments about it being fractal are beautiful too. We can look at this thing from so many angles, understanding layers and layers of complexity and beauty. To find the one who knows the beauty somehow equalizes the inner and outer into one mystery. I really have no idea what I am saying, but I can confirm that I know nothing greater than this kind of surrender.
For a start, you cannot conceptualize God, the Alpha falls short of concept and the Omega goes beyond concept, yet there is no distiction between the two, they are one. We are something and we can only think in terms of something, but no ammount of something can do justice to nothing or everything.
If there is, I bet it’s like the Sims.
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@kidd, with a better 3d render and hair engine :) Thats a lot of calculations . . .
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