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Achyut ram (@achyutram)    1 year, 8 months ago

Call it God, universe or something else…
If yes, Why would that power want to end some lives in despair? Like in accidents?

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@achyutram, though I am highly skeptical of such a being, we can’t say for 100% certainty that God doesn’t or does exist. God could exist but erase all proof of he/she/it’s existence, for any reason at all, including no reason. As far as controlling, again, it’s difficult to say. If we are talking about a deity as having unlimited power, then again it’s possible that such a being could be controlling us while giving us the illusion of free will. But without being able to tell if our free will is real or not, it doesn’t really matter. Personally I don’t like the idea of predetermination so I choose to believe in free will, whether or not a God exists.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@achyutram, There is a power that controls a lot of people. It makes people complacent and docile.

That power is the power of fear.

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Achyut ram (@achyutram)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@piptherational,
So, You say road accidents occur due to fear or carelessness?

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@achyutram, road accidents occur mostly because of stupidity. Not an overarching power.

But I would say a lot of our nature is driven by fear

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Sam (@samc1)1 year, 8 months ago ago

Yes and no. We have freewill but I do believe that there is a higher power that watches us. I am not saying they watch you or me…. because honestly were not that special, but do they watch the world they created. YES

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Ben (@cognizantelephant)1 year, 8 months ago ago

Yes. Why? Money.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 8 months ago ago

Yes.

It’s called consumerism and uses your needs, so you’re basically controlled by your own needs and the more you need, the more you’re going to be out of control.

Of course, besides food, water and sleep, there is also sex, violence, showing off, and amongst HEthens – psychopharmacology.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@achyutram,

there is, it is called ( emotion ), often confused as ‘God’, and the reason random bad things happen is because, within this physical reality, there is only organized chaos, randomness is the consequence of this chaos, this is why the ‘good’, the ‘bad’, and the ‘weird’, all can just drop dead, either from something internal or external.

‘supernatural elements’ are used to bridge knowledge gaps, currently it is ( emotion ), “I don’t know why, I just felt that way sooo strongly I couldn’t help myself” …. ( yes they could )…. they convince themselves they have no control and use God / Satan / Evil Force / The Evil Eye….. etc, etc, to explain, ‘why they can’t help themselves’

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Shivvy (@shivvy)1 year, 8 months ago ago

There is absolutely no way we can know. Which makes the whole atheist/theist debate ridiculous. Believe what you want to believe, leave others alone.

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josephm (@josephm)1 year, 8 months ago ago

we are. realize, believe, empower, teach, grow.

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Healing Chime Audio (@healingchime)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@achyutram, It is only from the human perspective that a life ends.

big gulp of air . . . .

If you could see that all souls are eternal beings and they reside in a playpen simply to learn lessons until they realize they are part of the divine, then you would have no problem allowing so called ‘bad’ things to happen if you knew that you designed the changing imaginary world on top of another one that is more real and in no way effected by the game reality.

Imagine you designed a video game. If players ‘died’ in the game would you be upset. No because you would be aware of their continuity of life outside the rules of the game. We are in a movie called “life” and we do not control anything.

The intelligence of the universe, also yourself, was to design a place where anything and everything could happen so that all possible combinations of experiences could take place. By pooling the possible combinations and universes and realities, somehow this divine play reveals the truth of the existence that could not be known otherwise.

God is all there is or ever will be. An individual’s understanding and acceptance of this fact determines how much more stuff, “karma” has to happen to them. Simple really.

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@achyutram, If everyone ever born lived the full extent of their lives and died exclusively from natural causes, don’t you think things would be terribly out of balance?

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Brandon Phillips (@brandonphillips)1 year, 8 months ago ago

All I know is that I make conscious decisions on the movements I make and the things I say. To say that I decide to do what I do is determined by something on a greater scale is not worth thinking about. I seriously doubt it though. Things just happen by chance and others actions.

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Brandon Phillips (@brandonphillips)1 year, 8 months ago ago

At least that’s what I believe.

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Healing Chime Audio (@healingchime)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@brandonphillips, You are right, the area of free will / local control vs. something else controlling is not really worth thinking about a lot. I have found that doer-ship is synonymous with karma. If there is no individual doer, there is no action, and there is no result. Then the experience is spontaneous (not random) and alive, without constraint.

In other words, as long as someone believes they continue to make decisions and that their thoughts are of personal origin, they remain trapped by cause and effect. When all actions are the actions of the universe unfolding, there is only one mover, the substratum of all (God), and the personal experience merges into that, being that, with no other. This is the first and final condition, the alpha and omega, the I AM. I do emanates out of I AM~

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 8 months ago ago


Down the rabbit hole I go;

There is no control, that is, the future is destined. But it is destined in such a complicated way that there is no foretelling of it. There are Gods and God but these, too, are nothing in the grand scheme. The universe is much akin to a fractal, and we are simply an infinitesimally small (and large) portion. But not on a physical level, either, that is – our universe is the only universe in space, and planck’s constant is the smallest we can go.

But there is much more to all of reality than just this universe. Our physical universe is just kind of a ripple in this matrix of connected … stuff. There is more, much more, than just what we can see and even comprehend.

To say there is control is too simple. To say any of this is to be controlled would not give the complexity justice. Our reality ebs and flows here, and beyond, and all things are constantly dynamic.

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Dan (@danfontaine)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, “To say there is control is too simple. To say any of this is to be controlled would not give the complexity justice.”
Good stuff. It’s all mathematics but the complexity of the math is so immense that it matters not to our human minds. We have both the appeal of orchestration and the appeal of randomization. Enjoy the ride, fuckers.

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Dan (@danfontaine)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@healingchime, “In other words, as long as someone believes they continue to make decisions and that their thoughts are of personal origin, they remain trapped by cause and effect. When all actions are the actions of the universe unfolding, there is only one mover, the substratum of all (God), and the personal experience merges into that, being that, with no other. This is the first and final condition, the alpha and omega, the I AM. I do emanates out of I AM~”

Thanks be to God.

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AmeeVee (@ameevee)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@healingchime, What you are saying reminds me of the ‘no self’ approach to life. That there is breathing and it is just breathing. Feeling and it is just feeling, and no self is experiencing it… it is just the experience on its own. I am typing now and it is just typing, not me typing but just typing. Life is just life and it is a non-dual state.

That there is no you, just everything else.

Do you live in a state like this? It seems to demand a lot of control over yourself to get there.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 8 months ago ago

“If yes, Why would that power want to end some lives in despair? Like in accidents?”

If you had no concept of life/death and saw someone flying, wouldn’t you want to experience that? Likewise, if you saw someone falling, wouldn’t you want to experience that too?

‘Ending in despair’ is down to the individual’s issues, not the experience.

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Healing Chime Audio (@healingchime)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@ameevee, Thanks for your question. I would say, not being shifty at all, that I do not live a life, I am life.

Accepting the human story I have become accustomed to allowed me to see that I am not the body or the story of the body. When I thought I had control, I used that idea to do stupid things. Now that I do not do anything, a continuous stream of goodness flows. My body still functions, and I still take care of my kids, make food, brush teeth, all that, but I do not feel like I will these things. They just occur. Sometimes great disappointment, frustration, even fear come, but I accept them as part of the movie. I cannot take credit for the writing. I have done nothing special. I have undone everything special to become nothing, and seeing the REALITY of this, not just the conviction is the bliss.

Without being all abstract in words, it’s hard to describe. But by looking into yourself you will find that who you ‘are’ is a malleable ever changing self portrait. Since I cannot see the one who knows the self-portrait, my mind is silenced. Everything else just springs from that silence. It’s a mystery and I love it. I hope not to offend people by saying these things, but for some who really like the personal story, it can seem threatening and almost ‘evil’. I had someone calling me names yesterday because I told them that deep inside everyone is pure. It’s only the outer garments that seem dirty, and that is only to make the show interesting.

Thats the thing about the mind, it wants to keep you running on a trip. Find the one who owns the mind, and like a dog being put on a leash, it goes with the master. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but all things considered, I am talking about God, as the source of the Self.

And the comments about it being fractal are beautiful too. We can look at this thing from so many angles, understanding layers and layers of complexity and beauty. To find the one who knows the beauty somehow equalizes the inner and outer into one mystery. I really have no idea what I am saying, but I can confirm that I know nothing greater than this kind of surrender.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 8 months ago ago

For a start, you cannot conceptualize God, the Alpha falls short of concept and the Omega goes beyond concept, yet there is no distiction between the two, they are one. We are something and we can only think in terms of something, but no ammount of something can do justice to nothing or everything.
I think about cause and effect, rippling through the universe. Then there is the butterfly effect, that one small seemingly insignificant thing can have phenomenal ramifications on the universe somewhere down the line. Perhaps every “good” and “bad” thing that happens, effects those involved in ways that may well be vital for the best possible ends of the universe. A tragic car accident, where a child dies, may well be required for the benefit of the future, maybe a future where that child can be brought back with technologies that are only possible because that child was lost in the first place.
These are all just way out there theories, and it does not help anyone who has lost anyone, that everything will be better off because your loved one died, that is probably the coldest way to look at things, but we don’t know. But if there were some kind of God, I could get why things can be bad for us.
One thing, if you are rich and suddenly lose all your wealth, you quickly find out who your real friends are. The fact we don’t know if there is a God at all, it could be to see what nature humanity truely has. If a God protects us, we have no choice but to be loyal, we would not know hate or pain or loss, we therefore would never get angry enough to lose that loyalty.
So a test? That is why life can be so hard? I don’t know, there are many possibilities, including a battle between good and evil. If you think about how God is all powerful, yet Satan challenges God, God can wipe the floor with Satan easy, but that would make God a bully, for lack of a better word, King Kong beating up a Smurf. So you would level the playing field so that the fight is fair. This can explain why we do not know if a God exists, and if it is our reactions to suffering that decide who wins the fight, if we choose love or hate, we would have to know what hate is before we can choose it.
But in a dynamic, phenomenal, possibly infinite universe, there are theoretically limitless possibilities, even probabilities, as to why life often sucks. If you can’t think of any then I would say your imagination is quite limited, and there are heaps that involve a God just as there are heaps where a God is not even relevant in the issue.
Just explore, it’s all out there and what ever makes sense to you cannot be wrong when an issue is un-knowable, and if it is un-knowable then chances are it doesn’t matter here on the ground in the real world of human behaviour either, it is only our choice to make irrelevant things relevant, and that is where we are consistent.

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Kidd (@kidd)1 year, 8 months ago ago

If there is, I bet it’s like the Sims.

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Healing Chime Audio (@healingchime)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@kidd, with a better 3d render and hair engine :) Thats a lot of calculations . . .

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AmeeVee (@ameevee)1 year, 8 months ago ago

@healingchime, I’m very moved by your response, and I know it to be true. I feel that this surrendering to life is by far the best way to ‘be’. I have looked around a little and have not yet found a Master inside me. Any thoughts on this are very appreciated. It is hard not to identify with a thought that seemingly causes actions in life and movements of my body and reactions that become me and everything feels like me! Thousands of me’s in this space and I know I’m really just the space but have yet to feel it in a definite way.
Looked at your profile and I’m loving the tracks on SoundCloud!

I wonder if all creatures are living in this ‘just life’ sort of space or do humans just imagine it to be like that because we CAN imagine it? However, I know I cannot speculate without feeling it first.

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