Is there a superior power controlling us?
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@ameevee, Thanks for your question. I would say, not being shifty at all, that I do not live a life, I am life.
Accepting the human story I have become accustomed to allowed me to see that I am not the body or the story of the body. When I thought I had control, I used that idea to do stupid things. Now that I do not do anything, a continuous stream of goodness flows. My body still functions, and I still take care of my kids, make food, brush teeth, all that, but I do not feel like I will these things. They just occur. Sometimes great disappointment, frustration, even fear come, but I accept them as part of the movie. I cannot take credit for the writing. I have done nothing special. I have undone everything special to become nothing, and seeing the REALITY of this, not just the conviction is the bliss.
Without being all abstract in words, it’s hard to describe. But by looking into yourself you will find that who you ‘are’ is a malleable ever changing self portrait. Since I cannot see the one who knows the self-portrait, my mind is silenced. Everything else just springs from that silence. It’s a mystery and I love it. I hope not to offend people by saying these things, but for some who really like the personal story, it can seem threatening and almost ‘evil’. I had someone calling me names yesterday because I told them that deep inside everyone is pure. It’s only the outer garments that seem dirty, and that is only to make the show interesting.
Thats the thing about the mind, it wants to keep you running on a trip. Find the one who owns the mind, and like a dog being put on a leash, it goes with the master. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but all things considered, I am talking about God, as the source of the Self.
And the comments about it being fractal are beautiful too. We can look at this thing from so many angles, understanding layers and layers of complexity and beauty. To find the one who knows the beauty somehow equalizes the inner and outer into one mystery. I really have no idea what I am saying, but I can confirm that I know nothing greater than this kind of surrender.
@achyutram, It is only from the human perspective that a life ends.
big gulp of air . . . .
If you could see that all souls are eternal beings and they reside in a playpen simply to learn lessons until they realize they are part of the divine, then you would have no problem allowing so called ‘bad’ things to happen if you knew that you designed the changing imaginary world on top of another one that is more real and in no way effected by the game reality.
Imagine you designed a video game. If players ‘died’ in the game would you be upset. No because you would be aware of their continuity of life outside the rules of the game. We are in a movie called “life” and we do not control anything.
The intelligence of the universe, also yourself, was to design a place where anything and everything could happen so that all possible combinations of experiences could take place. By pooling the possible combinations and universes and realities, somehow this divine play reveals the truth of the existence that could not be known otherwise.
God is all there is or ever will be. An individual’s understanding and acceptance of this fact determines how much more stuff, “karma” has to happen to them. Simple really.
@brandonphillips, You are right, the area of free will / local control vs. something else controlling is not really worth thinking about a lot. I have found that doer-ship is synonymous with karma. If there is no individual doer, there is no action, and there is no result. Then the experience is spontaneous (not random) and alive, without constraint.
In other words, as long as someone believes they continue to make decisions and that their thoughts are of personal origin, they remain trapped by cause and effect. When all actions are the actions of the universe unfolding, there is only one mover, the substratum of all (God), and the personal experience merges into that, being that, with no other. This is the first and final condition, the alpha and omega, the I AM. I do emanates out of I AM~
@ameevee, Thanks for your message. I can feel your open heart reflected in your words. That already, is a rare thing on earth!
I learned a lot from a teacher named Mooji. He has a calm and sincere way that over time, helped me to experience this way of being.
On youtube there are three teachers that will help you. Papaji, Mooji, and Gangaji. There are others, but too many can get distracting. There is a process of discovery, and it is lovely. I am very exited for you, because I can tell you are ready for it. Let me know if you have any questions and I will do my best to point in way that could help.
It is Possible to Be in Both Worlds ~ Mooji
@ijesuschrist, “To say there is control is too simple. To say any of this is to be controlled would not give the complexity justice.”
Good stuff. It’s all mathematics but the complexity of the math is so immense that it matters not to our human minds. We have both the appeal of orchestration and the appeal of randomization. Enjoy the ride, fuckers.
@achyutram, though I am highly skeptical of such a being, we can’t say for 100% certainty that God doesn’t or does exist. God could exist but erase all proof of he/she/it’s existence, for any reason at all, including no reason. As far as controlling, again, it’s difficult to say. If we are talking about a deity as having unlimited power, then again it’s possible that such a being could be controlling us while giving us the illusion of free will. But without being able to tell if our free will is real or not, it doesn’t really matter. Personally I don’t like the idea of predetermination so I choose to believe in free will, whether or not a God exists.
@achyutram, different experiences of loss though painful, help us understand and prepare for when we leave everything behind in our own bodily death. We think that if life was all chocolate flavored it would be better, but this, actually is the best way. It’s not always the way we want, but our acceptance of how it is determines the level of harmony we can sense in life. If you want to blame God for events that take place, you still have to realize that no events actually take place. This does not mean pain does not feel real when it is felt. But the pain cleans you, and makes you strong. It allows you to strip things away to know the truth. We cannot keep anything, ever, except for what we are. It remains forever.
When loved ones are ‘lost’ they are never lost. Our dependance on physicality causes the sense of loss, but nothing that is real can be lost. They are still there if you really want to talk.
@healingchime, I’m very moved by your response, and I know it to be true. I feel that this surrendering to life is by far the best way to ‘be’. I have looked around a little and have not yet found a Master inside me. Any thoughts on this are very appreciated. It is hard not to identify with a thought that seemingly causes actions in life and movements of my body and reactions that become me and everything feels like me! Thousands of me’s in this space and I know I’m really just the space but have yet to feel it in a definite way.
Looked at your profile and I’m loving the tracks on SoundCloud!
I wonder if all creatures are living in this ‘just life’ sort of space or do humans just imagine it to be like that because we CAN imagine it? However, I know I cannot speculate without feeling it first.
Down the rabbit hole I go;
There is no control, that is, the future is destined. But it is destined in such a complicated way that there is no foretelling of it. There are Gods and God but these, too, are nothing in the grand scheme. The universe is much akin to a fractal, and we are simply an infinitesimally small (and large) portion. But not on a physical level, either, that is – our universe is the only universe in space, and planck’s constant is the smallest we can go.
But there is much more to all of reality than just this universe. Our physical universe is just kind of a ripple in this matrix of connected … stuff. There is more, much more, than just what we can see and even comprehend.
To say there is control is too simple. To say any of this is to be controlled would not give the complexity justice. Our reality ebs and flows here, and beyond, and all things are constantly dynamic.
@trek79, i like how you think, the mention of the butterfly effect is exactly how i would have placed it. Consider the possibility, blocking the results and consequences of someones actions from affecting you – I think living alone for a lengthy period of time (5 or so years) would without a doubt open and broader the mind further in an age where time is taken so granted for.
It’s called consumerism and uses your needs, so you’re basically controlled by your own needs and the more you need, the more you’re going to be out of control.
Of course, besides food, water and sleep, there is also sex, violence, showing off, and amongst HEthens – psychopharmacology.
@achyutram, Okay let me put it this way:
I believe (and this is MY OPINION only) that there exists a balance between Order and Chaos. An equal proportion of things happen for no reason at all as happen for a reason.
If someone dies “in despair,” it either happened for a reason or it didn’t. If it was for a reason, take comfort in the nobility and higher purpose of their death. If it wasn’t for a reason, then, well…shit happens.
@healingchime, “In other words, as long as someone believes they continue to make decisions and that their thoughts are of personal origin, they remain trapped by cause and effect. When all actions are the actions of the universe unfolding, there is only one mover, the substratum of all (God), and the personal experience merges into that, being that, with no other. This is the first and final condition, the alpha and omega, the I AM. I do emanates out of I AM~”
Thanks be to God.
There are the laws of nature. Physics, biology, chemistry, all that jazz.
We are obviously created with a form that we cannot do much about. Yknow, we’re humans, not falcons or pike perches or nettles or rocks.
So yeah, there are “rules” that are made for us, which we cannot break. At least not yet.
Whether you want to credit this to a god or whatever is up to you, it’s a matter of interpretation.
But if you ask me it’s pretty damn silly to make up weird terms and explanations when there’s a perfectly fine scientific explanation and definition for all of it.
But something we cannot know for sure, is that we’re not really controlling it ourselves unknowingly. We might be the highest power, we may be the ones behind everything without being aware of it.
But what I want to ask you all is. WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
Just do your thing, yknow, the rest doesn’t really matter.
there is, it is called ( emotion ), often confused as ‘God’, and the reason random bad things happen is because, within this physical reality, there is only organized chaos, randomness is the consequence of this chaos, this is why the ‘good’, the ‘bad’, and the ‘weird’, all can just drop dead, either from something internal or external.
‘supernatural elements’ are used to bridge knowledge gaps, currently it is ( emotion ), “I don’t know why, I just felt that way sooo strongly I couldn’t help myself” …. ( yes they could )…. they convince themselves they have no control and use God / Satan / Evil Force / The Evil Eye….. etc, etc, to explain, ‘why they can’t help themselves’
@healingchime, What you are saying reminds me of the ‘no self’ approach to life. That there is breathing and it is just breathing. Feeling and it is just feeling, and no self is experiencing it… it is just the experience on its own. I am typing now and it is just typing, not me typing but just typing. Life is just life and it is a non-dual state.
That there is no you, just everything else.
Do you live in a state like this? It seems to demand a lot of control over yourself to get there.