Is there anything else to be done?

2 years, 10 months ago

If you don’t live under a rock then you likely know what is going on around the world with the Occupy movements. We the people are tired of our government and the rich and mega companies being put first. But are peaceful marches, protests and petitions enough? What else can we do? Violence obviously isn’t the answer but with the media essentially blocking out the true nature of the problem to the rest of the world who is uninformed it seems like that’s a point against us. I try to make posts on facebook, and talk to my friends but it’s like no one cares. It’s making me feel so hopeless, how can people just not care and act so naive?

What else can an average person (who can’t just leave work and family to occupy) do? Ideas? Thoughts? Similar situations and frustrations?

May 23, 2012 at 11:13 am

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Profile photo of Jackson Jackson (@youarewhatyoueat) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

learn to live with less, then practice living with less. people rely on too many resources these days and eventually the earth will be out of resources

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Profile photo of Alicia Lee Alicia Lee (@aliwine) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

I already live pretty simply; no cable, I don’t buy unessential “wants” and I don’t buy processed foods, I try to buy local (although it can be expensive), I get a majority of my clothes second hand and so on.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

“(who can’t just leave work and family to occupy)”

You have your reasons, everyone else has their own.

“But are peaceful marches, protests and petitions enough? What else can we do?”

A means to what end?

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Profile photo of Alicia Lee Alicia Lee (@aliwine) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Everyone does have their reasons, but there isn’t any reason to be totally ignorant to the whole situation. Even being aware is a step in the right direction.

The only thing I want to end is the way our government is currently being ran, there are a lot of changes that need to happen. Obviously they can’t happen overnight but getting the puppet strings out of Harper’s hands is a good first step.

I just want to know if there is any way that there could be some sort of open media other than FB, twitter and websites that could get the public’s attention. Public access television? Asking more people to make others aware?

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Just advocate a franchise style capitalist economy over the corporate conglomerate style capitalist economy, all problems are solved then. It is doable, reasonable, advisable and it can be done fairly to all, even fairly for the corporate douchebags (at least what everyone but them would consider fair). The fact is that they just want power and wealth with no long term considerations for anything.
I don’t know why they want the wealth, they will die before they use it and all their decendants will be mooches. Surely they know that once monopolies and clear dominants emerge then innovative progress will stall, quality of product will slump while prices spike. It is a wasteful and unsustainable system, anyone who knows anything about economics knows that. Why more people are not pushing for the franchise style capitalist economy I don’t know, it is obvious.

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Profile photo of Alicia Lee Alicia Lee (@aliwine) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

It’s because people are blinded by the wrong sorts of media, they are more concerned about Justin Beiber and Snookie’s baby than what’s going on in their own back yard.

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What have the occupy movements actually accomplished? You also have to remember most people don’t give a fuck about things that don’t affect them on a day to day basis.

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Profile photo of TheSkaFish TheSkaFish M (@theskafish) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, that’s exactly what pisses me off about the whole class war that’s going on. Even when taxes on the rich were higher, even allowing the middle class to exist, they would still have more money and stuff than they can ever spend in their lives. Therefore, it must not even be about the money. It’s about showing the rest of us who’s big man on campus. Just look at the Sultan of Brunei (not a CEO, but similar). It’s said he has between 3,000 and 5,000 cars – so many that no one knows the exact number! Even if he drove 1 car per day every day of the year, it would take him YEARS before he used every vehicle in his collection once. Why should anyone have, or even want, more wealth than they know what to do with? At that point, we should question their sanity. When does it stop being success and start being megalomania?

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Profile photo of Agent 23 Agent 23 (@highintelligenceoffice) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Somebody said that you have to be the change that you want to see in the world. I think that’s the first step, and it’s a much deeper issue than what we think. To live simply and be aware of what happens in the world is definitely a good thing. But does it resolve the issue? Resolve in the sense of eradicating it completely. Wipe the issue out of this world.

What’s the issue? I think it has more to do with what we are: selfish, violent, greedy (and endless greed it seems), etc. We can’t blame other people, we all share these atributes with more or less degrees.They are built into our primitive brains. So I think that that’s the action needed: to understand ourselves first, so we can be the change. The moment that we say ‘they’ are different I think we are not getting what’s going on. Consciousness is one movement, we need to understand it together.

I would even go as far to say that power corrupts people, it’s not that the people in power are evil… So we need to understand power, what it does, to any of us.

I’m trying to prompt a movement about this, I know it’s quite ambitious and I just started with a small thing: having insightful slogans printed on tees and posters, coming from a ‘mysterious’ agency. The idea is to create awareness of these issues in a mainstream way. We all need to wear t-shirts :)
Maybe they can prompt an interesting conversation.

Have a look at it if you have time, and please support the cause if you find it worth it:

http://kck.st/MfrcFF

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Don’t get me wrong, not all their decendants will be mooches, sometimes an heir will take that weath and expand apon it, forge innovative industry from it, continue to contribute. But yes it is no longer about the wealth, some do it because they are work horses that thrive under pressure and the load, the same ones go stir crazy if they have 2 days off and end up sitting on a beach in Hawaii on a laptop chalking out plans for when they get back.
Others simply like to look after their own, make sure other execs and shareholders are rolling in it too. Others still, think the world is going to go to shit soon and the best thing they can do is be in the possition to order what they can and save what they can. Who really knows why they go from success to excess?

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