My friend was trying to explain how in the Christian religion they believe Jesus “Died for our sins.” Now I don’t understand this, usually when someone dies FOR something they’re dying for something good. For example; Soldiers die to protect certain rights, freedom and people. So to me it would make more sense if Jesus dyed FOR the goodness of all. Am i making sense? Can someone explain this to me.
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@iambrian, Trying to make sense of this is a lost cause. The term ‘died for our sins’ im pretty sure is a misinterpretation of the original texts. But it sounds dramatic enough right? Curious that Christians seem to care more about the death of Jesus than all the beautiful lessons of love he taught while living.
Wasn’t the devil like bff’s with Jesus at one point and then he was banished? Well what if during that time they were like, okay lets make these people feel like they sin against the greater good and threaten them of the eternal damned or utopia and see how they each take this information in their human lives with such opportunities to indulge in sins and being a good person.
I don’t know my religious stance, I feel spiritual though. But dying for our sins kind of sounds like we are the victims of some huge sin that we have already made when we are born?
Another thing, Jesus was Jewish right, so why do people like feel negative about Jewish people, and why are they Christian not Jewish?
@iambrian, It’s all bullshit in my opinion, so don’t even worry about it! :) By the way, I grew up Catholic and spent Kindergarten through Senior year of High School studying the good ol’ dude Jesus, so I’m not just some dude.
Also, sins would require the idea of right and wrong. Your right can be my wrong and vise versa.
I feel like Jesus was just a great guy who possibly was ‘awakened’, and just wanted people to love, and basically laid down some basic concepts so the average Joe could live a life of love. But of course human nature is to twist and exaggerate things. So now people worship and and believe in pearly gates or eternal fire afterlife and a whole bunch of other stuff that most likely isn’t true IMO. I should probably read the bible and do some more research before I draw conclusions about the worlds most popular belief though…
@iambrian, Look at the history of Judaism: Jewish would make an animal sacrifice, the sin of the family is put into the animal then the animal is destroyed. This clenses the family of their sin for a time. Sin is inherited from Adam and Eve, it is what they chose and it is what drives us away from a relationship with God.
To place your sin on an animal then destroy it was a way to come back toward God, not completely but enough to forge some kind of relationship. But an animal is an imperfect creature, so are human beings, but in Christian belief Jesus was perfect, the perfect sacrifice. Being an absolute, this perfect sacrifice can cover the sin of all mankind for all time.
The ransom sacrifice of the perfect vessel means humans can come to a more fulfilled relationship with God then ever before, but the cost is repentance, turning away from sin, which means although you cannot help to sin you never do it with intent and you actively try to avoid it where you can.
Originally, even if you did this, you would gradually degrade into a state unfit for a relationship with God, but now that degradation is automatically reversed simply by repentance, turning away, avoiding the intent of sin and avoiding sin where it is possible to do so.
Here is a concept from “The Power of Now.” It goes something like: Jesus was a man who died and became Christ. This means that Jesus defeated all sense of his ego (which is sin) and become one with Christ (which is God or Infinity or the Interconnectedness or the Supreme Perception).
The story of Jesus is used to exemplify the process of defeating the ego, becoming a non-sinner, and transcending into the presence of God.
God is defined as a limitless being. Therefore god is equal to infinity and equal to one. From there we see than infinity is inherent in everything. We are all one!
The act of sinning is when you have more faith in your own self of self than your faith in God and the essence in which we all share. (In order to violate any of the ten commandments, you must prioritize your identity before the essence that is constructed in all things).
If you kill your ego completely and have no desires or identity then you can not die, because the only thing left is the essence that is ubiquitous in atom in the universe.
When Adam of the garden of Eden became a sinner for taking the apple from the forbidden tree. He did not become a sinner because he took the apple. He became a sinner because he put his faith in his ego and created the desire to eat the apple. Adam put more faith in his ego than his faith in God.
Every religion has great knowledge to offer. It all depends on how you look at it. :)
@newworldscholar, There are certain flaws to this approach but quite frankly that’s the best case scenario of the explanation of the bible I’ve heard so kudos!
Pity mankind can’t see it that way in our modern era.
But everything is ego now. Facebook vague status updates to initiate concern, post your food on Instagram, Check-in to bars and clubs that are supposedly such fun that you found the time to tear yourself away from the enjoyment to let everyone else know. Me, me, me. Too many morons have been given a platform to voice themselves and feel important and yes even as I type this I realise I am rambling so I will shut up… now.
The only real point in Christianity and the Bible is not a whole mumbo jumbo about ego, it is just about intent. You will do the wrong thing often, but what is your intent? Simple.
There are a hell of a lot of ways to interpret stories in the Bible: I think the story of Adam and Eve is about concepts, the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, it is eaten. This means the abilities of concept, design of our own values, taking concept in so that it becomes our identity. Concepts have their place as a tool to improve things but Adam and Eve made it more than what it is supposed to be, our identity, that it is all we really are, but it is not.
As a result we have all the sins because concept is misused and is at the root of all things injurious. However if concept is used correctly, it becomes the tree of life.
But as I said, that is a bunch of hoohah, it is all and only about our intent, we have no choice but to sin but we do have power over our intent, to be of malice or to apply it appropriately.
@rstevehardy, My first comment is not an opinion, that is exactly what “Jesus died for our sins” means, or is supposed to. Christians don’t do animal sacrifices because of that. But then they invented a whole bunch of crap about confession, which is completely irrelevant and only for people who don’t even want to attempt self-control.
My second comment, yes opinion, but BS? Yes in the sense that you don’t need to know it.
This is where each one of you is wrong. Jesus did not die on the cross. He was saved and went on to live for a long time to the age of 120 and then Died a natural death in Kashmir.
@blankey, Sin is not right or wrong, it is the misuse of our concepts, unavoidable in a being that is not all knowing. If you have no connotation to it, it still cannot be denied that certain things are beneficial, as they make things easier or pain is avoided, this is the best use of concepts and no matter what we do we can never completely avoid accidental counter-productivity.
So it comes down to intent, if you intend harm or not. This does not mean that if you did not intend you are not accountable, but rather the opposite, people who make mistakes unintentionally, these people always take responsibility, it is the people who do intend harm that deny it was their fault.
Also, in Islam it is clearly told that no one is responsible for sins of another person. This was just used as an excuse and is now a belief. To believe in religion or not is a whole diff. Topic.
Im not trying to preach anything here, just that all of you should know many people believe Jesus did not die at the cruxifixion, research about it and then choose your side.
Wow, I don’t assign to religion, I don’t think it is needed. The only value I see is for introspection, that you can see the logic and benefit in interacting with people in the most appropriate way, whatever that may mean to you. But so many people are so jaded by religion, hostile reactions to what you claim is so pointless, if you really believe religion is so irrelevant then you could objectively discuss it rather than out bursting in a bias view.
The fact is religion is NOT irrelevant because so many people assign to one incarnation or another and they are passionate about it, and most of the rest of people so passionately respond against it. It seems it is relevant to all, as I see it.
@manimal, Just because you don’t believe in a particular religion does not mean it is retarded. I think we can all relate to the main theme throughout most religions which is to become a better person. If you actually read the bible it is one continuous story which has hundreds if not thousands of valuable lessons for life. Sure, it has some contradictions in it but that doesn’t take away the value of the knowledge that is there. It’s kind of annoying how people dismiss religion as useless bullshit because of a few contradictions. I’m not saying you should become a christian, I’m just saying you shouldn’t dismiss the value of christianity even if it isn’t true.
The way I was taught as a child, as well as my adult understanding today, lead me to this. Eve was the first human to commit sin by eating the forbidden fruit. God cast Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden, and humankind was forced to live harsh lives and struggle with temptation. Those who were victorious, for the most part, would be admitted to heaven, those who were not, to hell (with a few in the gray area that wait in purgatory). Jesus, as Christians believe, was the Messiah, whose purpose in life was to give his own life so that we may be free from sin. In the three days between Jesus’ death and resurrection, he guided all the souls in hell up to heaven, opening the gates to all people and, therefore, saving us from our sins.
@iambrian, I think it’s not so much the dying as it was his suffering. He supposedly suffered/died to earn God’s forgiveness on behalf of all those who follow him and accept him as their savior.
I think It’s all based on the inherent belief that we’re all born into sin/going to hell (as in “original sin”…Adam & Eve bullshit) and the only way to absolve yourself of this sin is to accept Christ as your lord & savior, worshipping him as the son of God, and following his teachings…or some shit like that.
I DON’T KNOW. I’m not a Christian or Catholic of any form. This is what my understanding of it is based on what religious people have told me. I’m likely just talking out my ass.