@iambrian, I think it’s not so much the dying as it was his suffering. He supposedly suffered/died to earn God’s forgiveness on behalf of all those who follow him and accept him as their savior.
I think It’s all based on the inherent belief that we’re all born into sin/going to hell (as in “original sin”…Adam & Eve bullshit) and the only way to absolve yourself of this sin is to accept Christ as your lord & savior, worshipping him as the son of God, and following his teachings…or some shit like that.
I DON’T KNOW. I’m not a Christian or Catholic of any form. This is what my understanding of it is based on what religious people have told me. I’m likely just talking out my ass.
@lifetimeclimber, I don’t believe in ANY religion, because they’re ALL bullshit.
The theme of religion is to become a better person? Haha. Haha. This.. is hilarious.
I’ve read the bible thrice. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s all bullshit.
And they’re all born from misconceptions. Idiots who read the ancient holy texts and misinterpreted/distorted it beyond recognition, turned it into a fuckin fairytale when it was originally about real stuff that works.
But, by all means, cling to your rotten ship if you want to. Doesn’t harm me. In fact, it makes things a lot easier for me if people cling to idiotic beliefs and general delusion, although I detest that shit.
@manimal, Haha calm down buddy, I don’t believe in any religion either. I was simply pointing out that they do have value even if you don’t think so. I assure you I’m not a bigot feeding my ego bullshit. Have you never heard of self improvement? Being a good person? Treating others the way you want to be treated? I’m sure that’s all bullshit though and was created to “make people submit.” Every single religion in the world preaches about treating other people with love and respect, while also loving and respecting yourself. I don’t know how that is possibly a bad thing. Sure, there are bad things in religion. Much like there are bad things on the internet, but instead of saying the entire internet is bullshit, we simply find the good sites and use those. Much in the same way, we take away the good things from christianity, buddhism, islam, whatever it is and utilize them.
@manimal, Becoming a better person than others? Not possible, you can’t be a better me anymore than I can be a better you. But yes, that idea fuels judgementality, people should introspect and find their own psychological balance but also figure out the most appropriate ways to behave toward one another. The failure in this by others means you protect yourself from them, an appropriate response.
@manimal, I haven’t read the bible, nor am I religious. I just am curious if you have found any good to come out of the bible or religions in general.
This is an interesting topic because there is no proof to either side regardless that Jesus was or was not the only begotten son of God (Besides the bible and other religious texts, which can be taken as fiction or non and literally or metaphorically).
Granted God is a perfected being who is eternal and does not fault. The bible says in various instances that if God were to do something wrong like lie or say something different than the gospel taught that he would cease to be God. There are Universal laws in each realm and each dimension of space. These laws are governed by a universal energy that binds every creature on this planet and in the universe. We are born with an innate sense of right and wrong (can also be changed drastically by societal norms), but in general we know when something is wrong or does not feel right. We have an innate sense of higher power and good and evil seen throughout history across diverse cultures.
Christ was sent to Earth for multiple reasons. Yes the resounding reason was to die for our sins and allow us all to be saved in the Kingdom of heaven. Here is the rest of it. Like stated in this thread previously in the early Jewish religion sacrifices were given to God for worship and repentance. These animal sacrifices can be described as a lesser law or lesser order. There was nothing that allowed man to redeem himself of his error being human. God knows we are human and we WILL constantly make mistakes.
Jesus is sent to the world to receive a body of flesh. To be an example to others and be baptized. To establish a church or religion “biblical Christianity” (Which many truths of his established have now changed via various Christian sects and the Creed of Nicaea in the year 325 A.D.) And Ultimately establish a new law of sacrifice or higher order of sacrifice which no longer required men to kill bodies of flesh (animals). The Son of God bled from every pore in his body in the Garden of Gethsemene taking upon him the sins of the world. And later was hung on the cross becoming the ultimate sacrifice of a body of flesh.
I guess the point to your question is God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. The worth of souls is great in the sight of God. Christ being the valiant son that he was knew what he would experience but chose to be the one to be sacrificed for humanity. Our whole point on this Earth is to receive bodies and be tested in order to return to the God who created us and live in his glory in happiness for eternity. No unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God so therefore there must be a way to be made clean again after the errors of the human flesh prevail over us. The way we do that now is by repenting in the name of Christ confessing your sins to God reconciling for those sins and changing your ways to sin no more.
I don’t think that “not harming others” is the right principle, but opt for “treat others appropriately” because some times it is appropriate to harm others, namely when they intend malice and often in the case of a greater appropriateness, general eg: Choose to save a bus of kids over a bus of grannies. Why is that right-er? Just for potential, not because of quality or morality.
That is a simple standard blueprint for a religion, besides actual details in personal development of these sentiments and motivators, that is basically the fundamentals of what people should know in the goal of personal psychological balance and how they interact, all to get the most out of life. Every aspect relies on each our personal judgement on how to manifest the principle.
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