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Ω (@wabasabi)    1 year, 7 months ago

Just started a ketogenic diet a few days ago with 65/30/5 fat/protein/carb calorie division. Anyone have any experience with this? Any advice?

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Nick (@splashartist)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@wabasabi, I find diets like that a waste of time because people never stick to them. Just eat a balanced diet with tons of raw fruits and veg and stay away from processed foods with chemical additives.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@wabasabi, is that the same approach to what is mentioned in this thread: http://www.highexistence.com/topic/cambridge-diet/ ?

Ketosis right? If so, this person seemed fairly knowledgeable about some aspects of it.

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Zykanthos (@chodebalm)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Kind of what Nick mentioned above.

The ketogenic diet is actually not even a good idea in my opinion. Despite what you’ve probably read, your body DOES need carbohydrates.

People who do the low-carb or no-carb diet are not informed as to why it truly works. The reason people are successful at losing weight on carb-restricted diets is because by not eating carbohydrates you naturally eat a lower amount of calories. So in actuality, you’re losing weight because the amount of calories you consume is lower than it used to be.

It is extremely healthy for your body to eat things like oatmeal, whole wheat grains, fruits and vegetables, all of which are carbohydrates. The carbohydrates you DO want to avoid are sugars (think soda, candy), and refined carbs like white pasta, white bread, etc.

Personally, I don’t see a point in low-carb diets because you can eat carbohydrates and still lose weight if you’re in a calorie deficit.

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@wabasabi, I follow that style of diet, and I’ve never been happier nor felt healthier. I’ve gotten stronger, faster, and leaner, and my gastrointestinal system has never been working more smoothly. I recommend it to anyone who asks me about diet, and I’m happily planning to follow it for the rest of my life.

TO ALL THE PRO-CARB PEOPLE: True, your body needs carbs, but fruits, veggies, and nuts should provide all the carbs you need (provided you eat enough of them.) There is no need for sugar-, legume-, or (especially) grain-sourced carbs.

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Ω (@wabasabi)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@splashartist, May or may not be a waste of time, I won’t know til I try though.

@lytning91, It’s similar to that diet but that guy was barely eating any calories at all.

@chodebalm, Of course your body needs carbs but I don’t need grains or processed sugars. Grains are just completely unnecessary. Also, I probably should have mentioned I’m not doing this just to lose weight. It’s more of an experiment to see how it would make me feel while I’m home from college for winter break (6 weeks) with the only goal being reducing my body fat % a little bit and to try something new other than my shitty American diet.

@donjaime23, How long have you been keeping up with this diet?

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Harjot (@godslight)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@wabasabi, What are your goals? How much do you weigh now? What is your body type? Body fat %? Do you exercise regularly? How old are you? What was your diet like before?

I have tried every diet under the sun. Use to be a powelifter turned bodybuilder so lots of experience. In my humble opinion, it gives you quick results- but once you introduce carbs into your body again (and one day you will), your weight will go up.

There’s far healthier diets which will increase energy, improve health, increase performance in sports, strength, reduce body fat etc which you can use.

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Ω (@wabasabi)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@godslight, Goals: Try out a diet for the first time in my life to test myself with a bonus goal of losing some body fat. I weigh 220 as a 6’4 Male with an unknown amount of body fat but I’m chubby so I’m guessing more than a healthy amount. I exercise 2-3 times a week now that I’m home from college. Exercise at college was daily. 18 years old and my diet before was eat whatever, whenever I was hungry. Diet before had lots of junk being on a meal plan and such but I’d make sure to still get high nutrition foods too just not as much as I would have liked.

Knowing this information do you know of any diets that would benefit my situation? I go back to school in four weeks and there are healthy options there but a very strict diet would be a hassle in some circumstances.

Knowing this information do you know of any diets that could benefit me?

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@chodebalm,

Please don’t spread such information like “Whole wheat is extremely healthy”

Wheat is pretty bad for you.

OP, the only carb I get is from Quinoa. I can digest it well and it’s super healthy.
I eat a lot of almonds and coconut products, but also more protein than you have in there as I lift weights. Generally more protein is better anyway. I mainly stick to vegan protein powder, quinoa, hormone/antibiotic free chicken breast, spinach, broccoli, etc. I also use stevia for anything that needs to be sweetened. It’s awesome, it really works well and doesnt upset my stomach or any part of me for that matter. different brands are better than others, one brand i got tastes chemically, and one tastes like pure sweetness. the good brand i use is http://www.nowfoods.com/Foods/Better-Stevia/

so yes i absolutely recommend low/no carb diets. lots of people find that switching to this kind of diet makes them shed nasty fat stores without even increasing their exercise.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Have you heard of leangains/intermittent fasting? the benefits are myriad.
basically you take in all of your calories in a small window. the leangains protocol is 8 hours. I find with eating healthy its hard to get enough calories in a short time so 8 hours is ok. some other variations do 4 hour windows. but i assume that works better for people that eat cheap and get mcdonalds etc.

its mainly used to gain muscle and lose body fat (basically the best/only way to really do that)
but the advantages of eating this way go outside of weightlifting. phil drolet who’s pals with jordan lejuwaan does it and wrote a good article on it.

http://www.thefeelgoodlifestyle.com/fasting-for-fast-weight-loss-superior-fitness-and-better-health.html

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Ω (@wabasabi)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@jameslancaster, Thanks for the article link. Looks like another dietary experiment I’ve got to try sometime.

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Zykanthos (@chodebalm)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@jameslancaster, Wheat’s pretty bad for you? Well then I guess I’ve been eating bad food for the last year or so. I eat whole wheat bread every day. Whole grains are good for your heart and cardiovascular system. I’ll be fine.

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Matthew L Wynn (@matthewynn)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I used to be on this diet for months. It works, and it feels great. Remember your carb up day, don’t cheat, and enjoy that protein! xD

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Alex Mayle (@alexmayle)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@donjaime23, Why do you say that your body doesn’t need complex carbs like beans, and grain based carbs? I’ve always heard that whole grain bread, oatmeal, and brown rice give you long, steady energy throughout the day.

@jameslancaster, You make it seems like “no grain” and “no carb” diets are the same thing. Your brain runs on nothing but carbs! Low carb isn’t healthy. You should be getting at least 40 percent of your daily intake from carbs.

With that said, if your trying to lose weight, lowering your carb intake, as well as fat, is a good idea to produce a caloric deficit and burn off those fat deposits on your body.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@chodebalm,
here’s a good article which explains why.

http://www.kriskris.com/why-is-wheat-bad-for-you/

and another: http://news.discovery.com/human/why-you-should-probably-stop-eating-wheat-121214.html

one more if you like mainstream media: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57505149/modern-wheat-a-perfect-chronic-poison-doctor-says/

it’s pretty drastic to take wheat out of your diet as it is so common, but it’s just an unfortunate byproduct of living in a fundamentally insane society.

@alexmayle

sorry, you’re right. i meant low grain. i do subscribe to the opinion that it’s better to get more of your carb intake from fruit and vegetables though.

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@alexmayle, Vegetables ARE complex carbs, amigo. Low carb is the healthiest possible dietary thing you can do for your body. Our bodies are far more suited to using fats and proteins for energy than they are grain-sourced carbs. As a species, we evolved as hunter-gatherers subsisting on meat & leafy plants…NOT farmers subsisting on grains and legumes.

Oh and btw, not only can your brain and heart run on ketone bodies very efficiently, but long-term use of ketone bodies for energy by the brain and heart can greatly reduce age-related deterioration of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone_bodies

40% of your daily calories from carbs indeed!

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Zykanthos (@chodebalm)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@jameslancaster, Thank you sir

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adam (@adamd)1 year, 7 months ago ago

“Prolonged excess of ketone bodies can overwhelm normal compensatory mechanisms, leading to acidosis if blood pH falls below 7.35.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

ketones = toxin.

Sounds like a fast track to osteoporosis to me. The brain runs on glucose and the muscles run on glycogen (long chains of glucose), why not just eat glucose in the form of large amounts of fruits and vegetables. Together, fruits and vegetables contain all the essential amino acids your body needs and the perfect ratio of fats for optimal bodily functioning as well as smooth digestion. If you really feel you need it, supplement with some meat, but all reputable (imo) evidence points to not needing it. No need to calorie restrict when you eat this much fiber haha. Good luck my friend.

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Sounds shitty, but whatever floats your boat.

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Alex Mayle (@alexmayle)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@donjaime23, Ok, getting 40 percent of your daily intake from carbs like veggies, and fruit isn’t a bad idea. Still, the OP is crazy for thinking about getting 5 percent of his daily intake from carbs. Even if the body can run on Ketone bodies, the OP is gonna have to eat a hell of a lot of flax seed in order to make up for that carb deficit. Unfortunately there aren’t a ton of popular foods that contain fatty acids.

Why are grains bad though? Sure they weren’t introduced to us back in the stone age, but do they really have a significant toll on our bodies’? I love me some pasta.

Also, from that article you posted, there is a section talking about the effects of two of the ketone bodies on the pH of the blood. They are acidic, and if there is a high concentration of them the pH level of the blood will drop causing ketoacidosis – “a symptom of diabetes”. Now I don’t know wwhat the threshold of “too high” is, but if your on a ketogenic diet, that may be something to worry about.

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James Hardiman (@jameshardiman)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@splashartist finds these diets don’t work because “people” don’t stick to them! I find that they work when “people” do stick to them.

Ketogenic diets powered the human race for 2,000,000 years before we started eating grass 10,000 years ago.

Don’t confuse ketosis (good) with keto-acidosis (very bad). Keto-acidosis can happen to type 1 diabetics when they don’t manage their blood sugar and insulin. Ketosis is what happens in your body when you switch from running on carbs to running on ketones, the human body being a dual-fuel mechanism.

http://www.livefreefromobesity.co.uk/on-ketogenic-diets/

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/02/ketogenic-diets-i-ways-to-make-a-diet-ketogenic/

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/03/ketogenic-diets-2-preventing-muscle-and-bone-loss-on-ketogenic-diets/

Also, check this out re ketogenic diets and cancer:

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/healthscience/2012/december/starving-cancer-ketogenic-diet-a-key-to-recovery/

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