law and punishment, idea spin
hi there, i would like to discuss something difficult, and also a possible solution, but first, please know this is only an opinion, an opinion based on solid logic, but an opinion nonetheless, therefore if you feel the need to get angry, just understand, i might simply ignore your reply, ( opinion ), all this is,
i would like to start off with a statement that has become incredible apparent ever since i became a father and have been forced to deal with the misbehaviors of youth, “the punishment should fit the crime”,
now, here comes one of those opinion thingies, ( – this is not the main point, but a parallel to it,- ) — i agree with the death penalty–, if you take another’s life, the only right punishment is the same, ( – another opinion – ), –i agree with how they do it–, both in terms of humane execution (something the perpetrator never, ever gives) and the legal process up to it,
see, there are checks and balances, simply because you kill does not mean you get the needle, there are levels of severity, that makes sure that there is a high, high probability that if you executed, you deserve it, now, is it perfect? Pfffttt wtf is? get over it, it’s the best we have to work with,
(please do not argue the death penalty in the thread, this is not the point, this is to show a legal parallel for the following:)
lets talk about rapist and child molesters,
- Total number of registered sex offenders nationwide in the U.S….. ( 747,408 )
- Total number of sex offenders under supervision of a corrections agencies….. ( 265,000)
- Percent of sex offenders that will commit another sex crime after being released from jail….. (5.3 %)
- Percent of sex offenders that will commit a crime (non-sexual) after release from jail….. (87 %)
- Percent of sexually molested boys who are molested by someone they knew….. (60 %)
- Percent of sexually molested girls who are molested by someone they knew….. (80 %)
- Percent of second offenses that occur while living in a supervised community….. (60 %)
- Average re-conviction rate for a child molester….. (20 %)
- Average re-conviction rate for rapists….. (19%)
- Percent of children who are sexually abused that will become sexually abusive later in life….. (30%)
- Average annual cost to incarcerate a sex offender….. ($22,000)
- Percent of sexual assaults that occur between 6:00pm and 12:00am….. (43%)
- Average number of years a sex offender serves of an 8 year sentence….. (3.5 years)
- Average number of children molested by 1 predator before they’re caught….. (117 children)
( – Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/sex-offender-statistics/ -)
747, 408 ( registered ) offenders, these are the ones we know about. Of these, there is a 20% average re-conviction rate for child molesters, 19% for rapist, and there is a 87%, when offenders are released from jail, they will commit another crime (non-sexual related)
lets talk about the victims here for a second before i make my point, this taking advantage of someone weaker is so wide sweeping that it touches most people’s lives in some way, some of you know someone, some of you know ( i wish written word could properly describe my empathy for you ),
why is the victim worth considering? when someone is sexually abused they get a walking death sentence, it is something they can come out of with proper support, but most often is the case, support is nowhere to be found,
this reality becomes a stigma, a curse ( don’t get caught up on this term, i imply nothing supernatural, just an elongated stigma that can effect generations after ), this individual wanders reality, hurt, in the worst emotional way possible, the cause / effect of what was done to them can often be seen in their behavior towards their own ( children ) and all other important relationships, who then model and repeat because they do not know any better, it becomes like an emotional cancer,
the molester gets 5 years, the victim gets a life sentence, the molester 20% of the time re-offends, or, 87% of the time, continues in criminal action, the victim gets a life sentence,
perhaps the punishment does not fit the crime? perhaps?
now, to draw the parallel, if we can take a humans life due to a cause / effect they started, does that not leave everything in between open, ( if ) it matches the crime?
here is what I suggest, similar to the various checks and balances of the death penalty, based on severity and fact, when a child molester is convicted, he can receive 5 years – castration,
yes, ( castration ). he has clearly shown, through action, that he cannot control himself, that he will take advantage of someone weaker,
THE PUNISHMENT WILL FIT THE CRIME,
i am very serious here, consider what this would do to people considering the action. think about the comfort in the victim knowing, KNOWING, they can never hurt them again, ever,
what do you think?
Remember the last statistics:
Average number of children molested by 1 predator before they’re caught….. (117 children)
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don’t misunderstand, i am fine with chemical castration. i only said that about the other type bc, personally, i could care less about their comfort level, not that i am advocating that approach.
and again, i am only saying those that have shown a clear, black / white, continuation in the act that should deserve such a punishment, I AM NOT saying if they do, they get castrated, no, only repeat offenders, only those that have been given every possible bit of opportunity to change and said, ”fuck it, i like taking advantage of people,” by their actions
also, no need to get emotional, i am not, “here to tell us what the right interpretation is.’, this is only an opinion, just because my differs from yours does not mean i think i am superior.
@tine, I am definitely not opposed to the idea of castration as a punishment for sex offenders but it is not the most appropriate punishment. The most appropriate punishment for a sex offender or rapist is that they simply be raped. Machines exist that can perform this task for you, gimps also exist.
The other school of thought I subscribe to would say kill them with kindness. Why are rapists rapists? Are they not getting enough sex? Cultures which freely share, do not experience theft. Native Americans had no need to steal anything within their own community because they were given anything they wanted. I would say, introduce these perverse people to people who would enjoy freely sharing their bodies with them. The only reason they exist is because society is so weird and restrictive about sex.
@d503, ad hominem is when you attack the other person WITHOUT addressing their arguments. It’s thrown around a lot on internet forums. I addressed your arguments. People also often seem to take opposing arguments as attacks. That does not seem to be a healthy mindset.
~”That is an opinion.”~
I never said it wasn’t. I also said more research should be done. You don’t seem to get why I referred to several of the quotes above (it doesn’t apply to all of them, mind you). It would be possible to test them. They’re not purely subjective, hypothetical situation or not.
Considering the name of your show, I’m pretty sure you know of its origins. Take the red pill and see the world for how it really is, etc. I think being able to distinguish falsifiable statements from non-falsifiable statements is a prerequisite for that. I see nothing wrong the name itself, I was just remarking on the irony of it in this situation.
Please specify what you’d like sources for. Again, the things I requested sources for could theoretically be proven wrong. A hypothetical situation does not change that. Your bathroom analogy doesn’t really apply here.
@tine, but would you agree that (non-chemical) castration is unnecessary and even barbaric? Chemical castration gets the job you want done, and the (non-chemical) surgical procedure performed on males doesn’t really apply to females now, does it (ovaries, more invasive and results in many long-term health effects)?
I agree that we should wait to see if they can exhibit more willpower before more drastic measures are used, but are you so sure that many of them can control their urges?They should be kept from hurting even more people, but people often become so blinded by wanting revenge, which doesn’t solve the underlying problem or take back what was done to the victims.
Again, the assumption is also made that we have free will.
You said there was only one interpretation (here’s your quote: “no, there is only one”) to “the punishment should fit the crime.” Your interpretation is fine (and you have every right to hold that view), but a different interpretation held by another person would show that there is more than one possible interpreration to that quote.