ofc it depends on what we consider stupid. but anway. thoughts?
I disagree with that. Stupidity has no limits. Literally, rules and laws create limited methods by a mutual agreement that they’re going to be good if applied by everyone. And of course, there are exceptions.
@beyond, in my opinion more rules create more misunderstanding, therefor stupidity. because when somebody makes rule, what he said can be correct. but other people cant read his mind so they read it in their own way (based on their expirience – or how they procces information).
i was pretty high when i wrote this down. i just wanned to share it because im not so sure what i meant by that :P
Laws are just intangible ideas, and then they are words on paper. They don’t actually prevent anything, they just encourage certain behaviors and discourage others. So with that in mind they discourage stupidity sometimes, and encourage it in others.
@bono95zg, Laws only apply to the stupid, stupid people generally want to do the right thing but have no common sense so laws serve as a guideline. People with sense generally obey the law, not because of fear of punishment, but because it is logical and they see the benefit in doing things in practical ways. Then there are stupid laws, but hey.
Laws are basically preaching to the converted for people with common sense, guidelines for people without common sense, and a template for enforcement for those who actually want to harm others. The law doesn’t really apply to anyone but the stupid, people with common sense don’t even need to know the law but obey it by nature, and people who want to harm will harm despite the law, the law doesn’t apply to the bad, only enforcement of it does.
Its not laws and rules that create stupidity, it’s blind submission to other people’s directions
*** It’s forcing people to blindly submit to them that creates dependency and stupidity
You can make your own laws
(Most) laws are created for the greater good of humanity. Imagine if there was no laws against stealing, or other crimes and people were free to do as they pleased with no negative repricussions.
I think that some laws and teachings can create close minded-ness, but not stupidity. Many people believe that marijuana is a horrendous thing because its illegal, however few actually know about the good that can come from hemp
@eric0127, regulations breed laziness.
‘ Imagine if there was no laws against stealing, or other crimes and people were free to do as they pleased with no negative repricussions.’
Look a the FDA who allows corporations to commit environmental and human genocide every day and havent stepped into a court house, while small farms get raided and put out of business.
These ‘regulations’ allow for people to go home and be lazy thinking that someone has taken care of it. Meanwhile the criminals are behind the scenes figuring out how to manipulate our reliance.
@bono95zg, Bad laws and rules create stupidity. Good laws and rules protect people against it. (Oh no!. A qualitative claim as to what’s right and wrong!)
@motorik, I would agree that the best laws and rules are the simplest ones but I don’t think its a natural instinct to discipline one’s self. That’s why discipline (another word for the virtue of discipline is temperance) is valuable. Your can have good simple laws that make sense but still have people do bad things. Good laws and rules should promote a sense of self-discipline and should make obvious as to what is actually right. Stupid, I would say, is the right feeling but not the right word. I would say foolish (vs. wise). You can be unintelligent but still do the right thing and vice versa.
@heavydreamz, Bad regulations breed laziness. I’m sure there are things that you do regularly as almost rule-like that are actually good for you like exercise or eat well. Regulations that don’t keep people actively participating in their own well-being, whether it be an individual or a corporation, don’t give people incentive to care about themselves or anything else for that matter, which (like you said) leads to laziness.
@bearacleitus, good point, im not saying theres not an up-side to it, i guess im not saying its the regulations that breeds laziness its really the reliance caused by the regulation. reliance is that serious serious down swing that allows corporations to run our world with us having very little say, despite the illusion of ‘democracy. Your right if i was relying on myself to eat healthy, that would be very positive, it obviously gets tricky if i were relying on someone else for me to eat healthy, that creates a vulnerable spot for someone to make money or take advantage of my reliance.
@bearacleitus, We are born into rules, that’s how I see it as people are raised. You learn skill sets, morals, values and such in a familial setting and you carry it on to society; but of course an individual can differ on what he perceives as right or wrong.
@bearacleitus, exactly. EVERYONE needs to understand the significance of that power imbalance, and what that means to society, and how that effects everyone on the planet. Laws and regulations give those in power a position to manipulate and extract more power and exploit more people.
Once we all have that understood, we can discuss how to create laws and regulations to prevent those in power to exploit the world, bc that not what we want is it? Current law is in favor of those in power despite the constitution and bill of rights meant to protect us from all that.
great responses all :P
i just want u to read “brave new world” by aldous huxley. its not so big and its easy to read. if u ever do it just try to compare the basic idea to our reality
beacuse youre born within rules. you think within rules. and cant see beyond them. so you just philosophize about whats beyond rule but cant brake free from it. lol
“Normality is to be confined, as Insanity is to freedom” Bart Limon
@motorik, Nothing you said was incorrect. However, I would offer that there are things that are valued by many that transcend an individual like friendship. Those types of goods are what SHOULD (not saying they are) be reflected in laws and rules. Individuals may disagree on specific details on said goods but collectively what makes laws and rules worth anything is that they preserve the goods that we ALL desire, regardless of our background. Everyone comes from different backgrounds but we are ALL still trying to be happy (together). Also, even if we are born into rules, we don’t always have to follow them but the ones worth following are the ones we need.
@heavydreamz, While I agree that it’s (very) important for people to understand the influence our laws make to ourselves and others, I think its more important for the people who DO understand to ACT (properly) upon that understanding. This gives the people who don’t understand an opportunity to observe what it’s like to act virtuously.
When you take a look at history, left and right throughout the ages, there have been revolutions, uprisings, reformations, and imperial risings and downfalls that highlight the good and bad in people and how their actions translate to historical changes. However, even when Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi were around, there were still people who knew the right thing to do but did the wrong thing instead. Morality (I feel at this point, this is kind of what were all alluding to so I’ll use the word) is not an intellectual struggle. You have brilliant minds that exercise their talents for the protection AND the harm of others. Its a habitual struggle. It’s a struggle of CHOICE. To act well in ANYTHING takes practice. Buddha wasn’t enlightened over night and most saints don’t get canonized until after they die. To the same effect, it takes most people YEARS to get pro at a sport, musical instrument, or talent (drawing, dancing, crafting). One of the most common feelings I hear people express is that since there soooooooooooo much fucked up with the world, it feels overwhelming and nothing will ever change. That’s the attitude our current system has developed. If we all want to see the world get better, we have to make a habit out of making it better. It has to become, as Aristotle would put it, a part of our “second nature.” No matter how bad the rules and regulations are, the people that actually make them greatly underwhelm the people living with them. It’s the PEOPLE that make a difference in their government. WE make up the constitutional body. WE are the ones busting our asses and paying taxes towards companies that don’t give a shit about us and to wars that don’t do us any good. Its OUR families that put sons and daughters in the workforce, military, business sector, private sector, etc.
The unfortunate part (as I’m sure most people on this site already know) is that the average person 1) isn’t smart enough to understand the logical basis for morality, 2) isn’t in a position to make a change (since they’re stuck in a system that is counterproductive to collective flourishing) 3) doesn’t care or 4) just doesn’t know how to do better. At the very least, if the people who know better ACT like they know better, there’s a chance that we don’t need one massive, catastrophic, world altering event to make a difference. We’ll all be taking the baby steps to a better world. Little by little. But a lot of baby steps still go a long way.
@bono95zg, 1984 by George Orwell is the shit, too.