Laws of war, man’s inhumanity to man.
What can be said of the attempted "Civilization" of the most uncivilized practice of man?
Geneva convention, "ethics of war" (oxymoron), treaties, medals, drill, pageantry, pomp and circumstance, military balls, war memorials, the grandeur and money spent in trying to make war seem "glorious", beyond an inevitable and unavoidable evil, but actually POSITIVE, seeking war, hoping for it, WANTING TO KILL PEOPLE.
What the fuck is wrong with the human race? How did we get this way? Why are we this way?
And why do we try to dress it up? Why the fancy uniforms and "discipline", why do we seem to avoid the fact that war is the simple act of murder and nothing else.
I fucking hate humans sometimes.
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The problem with war is that the people who fight in it are under the delusion that peace is the end result. If peace and non-violence is the goal of every sane human, why have we been fighting for 5000 record years? I say fight with no goal of peace in mind. Fight instead for the goals of personal honor. Why do you think the US is lost in Vietnam and is losing in Afghanistan? Because our “enemies” there want to win more than we do. They think nothing of giving their lives for their cause because the alternative for them is worse.
And what would be the result of nonstop war? Rules. If war is fought without an end in site; If only those who want to fight do so; Then eventually there will come a consensus about what is proper and what is not. We’ve seen this happen. Militaristic societies like the Japanese and the Romans had very well defined rules for war, and while the Roman’s made the mistake of assuming their military machine would survive the rigors of expansion, the Japanese are the model of peaceful war.
Perhaps you have heard of the famous rivalry between Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin, two of the greatest military minds of history. But at one point, Takeda’s fief was cut off from the sea, meaning he had no more access to the vital resource of salt. But just when all seemed lost, a caravan from Uesugi’s camp appeared carrying several tons of salt. Takeda received this gift, and when one of Uesugi’s generals asked why he did so instead of starving him to death, Uesugi’s response was “Battle are to be fought with swords and spears, not rice and salt.
I say it is those who speak of peace that are dooming this world to bloodshed. Convinced that they know what is wrong with the human soul, they encourage the wars they are trying to stop. If the rules of war were allowed to evolve, then eventually battles would be decided with a game of rock-paper-scissors.
From my opinion being in Infantry Army, most people don’t even know why the fuck they are there. It’s mostly about money. If there was no money involved, we wouldn’t have anyone to fight wars. It’s not like you can debate about the reason why the war is being fought either, seeing as you can’t have a negative opinion about the guy that sells your soul into combat.
That’s because the Irish are used to it.
“In the first quarter century of Viking attacks only twenty-six plunderings by Vikings are recorded in the Irish Annals. During the same time eighty-seven raids by the Irish themselves are recorded. An average of one Viking raid a year can have caused no great disorder or distress in Irish society. Attacks on Irish monasteries were common before the Viking Age. The burning of churches also was an integral part of Irish warfare. “
This might sound terrible, but I could see being a warrior just to be a freaking warrior. But I could not be a warrior for an ideal. Does that make sense? BTW, am not a violent person, but could really see myself as a sort of soldier. Still, there has got to be a better way than the type of horrible wars we have now which do not change anything except make people hate us even more.
Sure, be a “fighter” if that’s what you want to do.
If you want to organize arena matches to the death and sell yourself as a modern day gladiator, more power to you. Just don’t join up just as an outlet to kill and indirectly push the agenda of American imperialism.
@Alex that may be the reason some sign up, but I know, at least from my experience, that once you get with your unit, spend all that time, train, relax, go out, and grow those bonds, when you deploy none of that other stuff matters. It’s all about the men and women there with you, being there for them, and if that wasn’t true for someone then that’s someone I wouldn’t want to be with over there. When bullets start flying I don’t want to be next to the guy who’s only thinking about a paycheck.
Brandon, I’ve met many like that but also a few, especially at the SNCO level, guys you just see and you can tell they were born to be Marines, that will talk about it. But I wonder how much of that is an act, you gotta put on that hard face for everyone around, but at night when they’re all alone I imagine they’re hummin a different tune
Oh gosh, I can’t help but put my two cents in here. The American military at this moment is probably the farthest thing from a murder tool. Our ROE’s are absolutely absurd. A man with a knife has to be within 8 feet of me before I can shoot him.. what if he’s running his ass off? Can you imagine the adrenaline pumping through your system? I hope I get his ass before I get got. That’s the mentality of an American soldier. It isn’t “where’s the taliban? I feel like killin’!!” …this is such an unfortunate misconception. Also, we all know World Peace is a dream that resides in the small brains of Miss America. That shit is not gonna happen, no time no where… not with human beings ruling the world. Jesse G. S., I couldn’t agree more. America has the absolute best military on earth and we like it that way. It’s like we’re saying… “Come at me, bro!!”
@Erin, What you’re saying is very wrong. Morally. Keeping war over there? Get the point? Don’t fuck with us… hah! That’s absolute bullshit. It’s the USA and their arrogant/ignorant people (like you seem to be) who fuck with everyone else, because you see yourselves as an ideal for the rest of the world to strive for. Hah, think about it, only two nuclear bombs have ever been dropped in warfare – both by the USA – and yet they have the arrogance to go around regulating other countries, like Iran for example, telling them they can’t utilize nuclear power because they might use it to develop nuclear weapons… Who gave them the right to play guardian when they are the real threat? The United States have been a country for 235 years and at war for 209!
War, hmm, well I’ll quote some hippies who said “Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.” Seems to me like you see it like an honor, you know – defending your country, spreading democracy, overrunning tyrants, being patriotic and so on. This is how your government wants you to feel. The problem is that you can’t see through the thick layer of propaganda and bullshit that’s covering the real agenda of war. It’s all for power, resources, control and fear-mongering. Especially the “war on terror.” Wanna know how to stop terrorism? how about you stop being terrorists, perhaps? Your government has lied to you time and time again and used false-flag operations in order to convince and scare you into supporting their inhumane, greedy and evil wars, and you just keep falling for it! It seems people really like being lied to… “do what you want, as long as I’m safe infront of my TV.”
You can’t justify taking an innocent human’s life. If someone tried to kill me or my family, I would declare them my enemy as long as they posed a treat, but I would never ever give myself to anyone as a tool of murder in war. They serve no good. I never trust anyone with power or money interests such as corporations, governments and such.
I don’t know a single person in the military who thinks peace is the end result. They, like myself, believe the end result is LESS war. We kick everyones asses until they get the point… which is, of course.. Don’t Fuck With Us.
Brandon, the people who WANT to kill, are almost never in a position to actually kill… and when it came down to it they probably would not have the balls. I’m just a maintainer, but I work on Combat Search and Rescue helicopters so the people I work with… THEY kill. And they don’t revel in the murderous “call of duty” of it. They take it quite seriously and always use minimum force necessary. But you know… if some asshole is shootin’ up our helicopter with his AK-47 while they try to pick up a harmed soldier (or harmed enemy for that matter, cuz the American military saves their asses too) our aircrew will sure as shit put a .50 cal bullet through their dome piece. I’m just reiterating the “get him before you get got” mentality I talked about earlier.
Don’t judge all military by a perception you got from a TV show. There are people like that one guy who want to kill someone… but like I said, if they ever got the chance, reality would hit them. The point of the military is to keep war “over there”. Because there will always be war… it’s the calling of mankind. We kick the most ass. That’s why North Korea hasn’t made a move. Our Korean and Japanese bases do “fake deployment” exercises on the regular which is terribly annoying and unfortunate but it’s smart. We’re showing them in their faces how quickly we can ready ourselves if they want to play that game. American military kicks ass… support it.