Legalization

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As of right now Colorado and Washington have ratified laws that have legalized marijuana for recreational purposes, and Massachusetts has just approved of medicinal marijuana use. So what do you think of the legalization of marijuana, do you think a trend is starting in the United States? Are you worried about tobacco companies taking control of and ruining weed?

November 7, 2012 at 8:08 am

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@thegiantsquid, I heard the tax in Colorado is like 25% and the money is supposed to go into funding college tuition and better schooling for children. That said, they had a similar setup at one point in time and NONE of the tax money went where they were saying it was going to go.

I can say, with confidence, that weed won’t be legal federally until the government as a seamless way of taxing the crap out of it and finding ways of keeping drug-related offenders in prison, since that’s also a cash cow for them.

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@laxcheck101) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

When I heard this news I couldn’t have been more excited, and it’s not just because of the legalization itself but because of the bigger message that it sends about the relationship between the federal government and the citizens of the United States. This represents an awakening of the American people and their ideas finally being recognized by the government. Everyone needs to know that there are no ‘dangers’ of marijuana use and that the use of alcohol and tobacco is far more harmful to the users and the people around them. Tobacco companies and alcohol companies have supported drug awareness programs in schools and institutions around the country for years, drug awareness programs which warn our nation’s youth about the “dangers of marijuana use and how it can lead to the use of hard drugs”. These big companies are worried that if legalization goes through they will take a big hit (pun intended), so they naturally support programs which fight the potential threat to their business. But I would like to believe that this legalization marks the triumph of the realization of the lack of harmfulness of marijuana over the ignorance of these drug awareness programs. I support the awakening of the American people. I support individual thought. I Support Legalization for America.

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Profile photo of Paul Paul (@pheezy) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@lytning91, I read it would be taxed from the Grower to the processor, the processor to the retailer, and the retailer to the costumer.

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Profile photo of EEL EEL (@mindlessfreak30) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

I just was about to start a post… I think this is a pretty big first step. Now I don’t know how well it will go over with the Fed. Obama told the Fed to not bother people when it came to medical marijuana, but I’m not sure about full on legalization. I’m glad were making moves towards it though and I feel many other states may join.

I don’t see a problem really with big tobacco taking over because there are already dispensaries and growers set up who own a big part of the market and I’m sure people will be more trusting to go to their products than if tobacco companies came into the picture, but I’m sure there may be some.

I do see an issue with people who are already in jail for marijuana related issues. Does this mean if its legalized than all of a sudden these people are released? I don’t think the government would like that much, especially if they have to pay up for the peoples time while in jail or something. I’m not if they would have to though since its after the fact.

Lastly, http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/war-on-drugs/ check this comic out. The artist was featured in one of the blog posts with another comic, but this comic fits well with this discussion.

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Profile photo of Josh Josh (@reinvented2012) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

I see it as a huge step for those that advocate legalization like myself. The whole basis for legalization is based off uneducated decisions and propaganda. This is how alcohol prohibition eventually came to an end so once the government decides to say hey we have lied to you for decades about how bad weed is, its actually not as bad as alcohol or tobacco then we will see true progress, but this is a huge step. And as for Obama, he is a liar when it comes to marijuana he attacked medical marijuana all over the country after saying he wouldn’t so the next 4 years will be interesting in many aspects, this being one.

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

What about personal growing operations, are those going to be legal? Backyard gardens and what not.

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Profile photo of Michael Michael (@mikey) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@danfontaine I think you can have 6 plants for each person of the household. But you have to get a license, which I do not mind at all.

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Profile photo of Luke Luke (@gotwisdom) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@danfontaine in colorado the bill stated you can have up to 6 plants for personal use!

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Profile photo of Hermes Hermes (@seeker88) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

have any of you watched the season finale of weeds? this is exactly what happens. it becomes legal, tobacco companies come in to take some of the profit. they sell cartons in the gas stations just like cigarette cartons but instead of marlboro or camel they have names like puff dragon and blueberry lol. i remember thinking aww man that will be the day when america finally legalizes it for recreational use. that will be the day.

im sure potheads in colorado and washington are celebrating right now! smoking blunts and bongs and their vaporizers out in the streets (in small quantities of course) and baking some mighty delicious brownies.

hopefully mass or r.i. is next. and hopefully the fed doesnt ruin it although once you open the floodgates its kind of hard to close it back up. cmon over 64% of America smokes or has smoked marijuana. this isnt a drug like cocain or heroine and meth. its just a herb, which we use for many other things to our benefits like tea for example. it causes 0 death unlike alcohol or nicotine the two most addictive and destructive legal substances. it helps with certain diseases and depression and latest research shows that it actually gets rid or transmutates/regresses? i forget the official word, of cancer cells if you ingest large amounts of marijuana oil. its much more durable than cotton or polyester and every part from the seed to the leaves to the stem of this beautiful God made plant can be used in some productive manner.

This is mother natures gift to us and TPTB and govts want to keep it from us because they know it makes us think. it makes us question authority and not care about whats in/mainstream culture and you focus on the important things in life. ive heard it helps open your third eye if your into that stuff and also instead of killing brain cells it actually helps the reconnection of neurons etc. yes it may make some lazy is the outlook of others but hey if your lazy your lazy wether you drink alcohol or smoke a blunt while your doing it, thats up to the individual. i myself smoke, I’m in the army national guard (shhh!), im fit, i own my own business and run my own site as well and all weed does is help me relax and stimulates my creative side/expands my perspective. look up the real reasons why weed was made illegal (it affected profits of major companies/farmers etc.) and why all that propaganda since the 1930’s has been trying to brainwash the public that it is bad for the individual (which theres no scientific backing for) and bad for society.

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Profile photo of Jeslyn Jeslyn (@jeslyntweedie) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@danfontaine,

Can’t grow plants in Washington. And it’s pretty cool but it also is zero tolerance for people under 21, and you can also get a DUI for impairment, and it’s only legal if it’s bought at a state-licensed store–heavily taxed.

I mean, baby steps I guess, still some very exciting election outcomes! Along with marijuana, Washington also approved gay rights/same-sex marriage. :)

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Profile photo of Hermes Hermes (@seeker88) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@jeslyntweedie, itleast in colorado you can own up to 6 plants. you forgot to mention its still a FEDERAL CRIME though it may be legal in the state. i expect there to be supreme court cases between state/federal govt some time soon. obama administration is not backing this and we all know the government does not want to legalize at all. But they cant stop the public forever!!! the govt is suppose to serve the people, not the other way around.

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Profile photo of Cody Cody (@versai) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Nothing more to be said, really. Blaze up! Weed was used in cultures long before america settled here and made it illegal. This is serious progress and liberation for the human-plant symbiosis that has been interrupted all this time.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@lytning91, how is prison a cash cow? its a cash sink – isn’t it?

and fuck, this is incredible news guys. This country has been digressing the past 8 years on drug evolution and now its beginning to turn around. I think we should embrace this as a huge step forward, and realize that its unlikely we will be moving backwards.

I think we can really take comfort in these big decisions. Its only a matter of time. If they tax it who gives a shit, you want it, you pay for it.

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

With the heavy taxing is it going to be more expensive than medical dispensary prices were?

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Last I checked you could buy a gram for $20, you can buy 30 grams of tobacco for that. The illegal dealers are taxing it so much more than any government organization would dare. The government can make it cheaper, safer and a quality, while the money saved by consumers can go into buying other things on the market. Legalizing can only help the economy, because right now pot is worth more than gold and considering, other than legal ramifications, it is so easy to produce.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

WOOO HOOO! Fuck yeah!

Think of all the jobs this will create as well. I predict that there will be a huge marijuana and hemp boom in these states and help other states to see the benefits of legalization. It will cause a chain reaction across the nation simply because of the economic value of this decision.

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, The privatization of state and federal prisons. Check into the GEO and the CCA. They basically fill up their prisons with the easiest people to process (non-violent drug offenders) and find a way to lobby and pocket tons of money off of this so-called investment.

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@pheezy, that is a TON of freakin’ tax money. Does it specific whether growing is legal or not? If you can grow your own without working about the government that’d be sweet.

I imagine it will be like grain alcohols and etc. Distilleries are illegal but buying from a heavily taxed, government-sanctioned outlet isn’t.

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@splashartist) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

This is awesome! Congrats guys! Now we just need to work on legalizing it here in B.C. Maybe now that the states is starting to legalize then B.C will as some of the reasons it’s not is because of the states.

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Profile photo of yoinkie yoinkie C (@yoinkie) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@lytning91, The amount of money we spend into the war on drugs immensely outweighs the pennies and dollars the privatization you are talking about. And it costs even more to process and detain these criminals.

The washington legalization isnt all candy and nuts. Their DUI law and what they use to measure marijuana in your body will basically say; you cant smoke weed for 5 days before driving, because it can still be detected to their measurements and you can get a DUI 4 days after you smoked it. Also, it will be controlled by the liqor board, not Tabbaco. They will tax it 25% at every level from producers to distributors. I am completely happy with that, they are predicting 5 billion in revenues over the first 5 years, which is a low estimate.

The feds are threatening to move Washington to the bottom of the list when they hand out federal funding projects, if they continue with legalization. They might even shoot it down. But none of that matters. What does matter is, the 55-45% lead legalization has among voters. And the largest group of people in favor are people aged 18-34 with a college education, so its not just some bums voting for it, its the educated.

You can not silence the wish of the people in a democracy. This is a HUGE first step, a domino has been put in motion to make marijuana legal in the entirety of the United States once and for all.

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@splashartist) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@yoinkie, Wow that DUI law is insane.

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Profile photo of yoinkie yoinkie C (@yoinkie) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@splashartist, it is. Its something like, 5 nanograms of thc in your system can convict you, and 5 nanograms lasts in your system for up to 5 days. I foresee a lot of lawsuits by people driving sober who got high the night before or something. Its going to be a shit storm, but a worthwhile shit storm. The alternative is no legalization and status quo, which doesnt help shit. Atleast this way people are made aware that the general american public DOES favor legalization.

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@yoinkie, I think you kind of went off on a tangent there. I was speaking federally and I was implying that federal legality is linked to heavy taxes and a concordance with the privatizing of the prison system in that sense.

I didn’t say anything about any of the other stuff you replied with. It was merely a speculation about the complete advancement of weed legalization and the upcoming obstacles for the future of it.

Also, fun fact: you can have up to 1 ounce of weed processed or 6 plants without getting into trouble. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me!

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Profile photo of yoinkie yoinkie C (@yoinkie) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@lytning91, only the first paragraph/first two sentences were to your response. The rest was directed towards the rest of this thread. Hence breaking it into paragraphs.

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@splashartist) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@yoinkie, Oh no definitely, still a very harsh method though. That being said though, who’s going to get pulled over for being high while driving? Probably not many people and if they do get pulled over whilst high it was probably for some other reason. I know I drive like a saint when I’m ripped haha.

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