Living in the wild, or living in my millionaire grandpa's house?
I want to live a life of transcendence and detachment, but my grandpa isn’t going to live forever, and he told me that when he dies, i’m going to inherit his fortune, and his beautiful house. I want no part of American society, but I want a family, and a wife… I experienced the wild and studied survival for around 4 years, so i’m capable of surviving on all 7 continent (excluding Antarctica). After my first taste of the wild, I can’t imagine NOT living there… I don’t want a career, or a predictable life… I want inner peace and understanding… I know my wishes contradict themselves, and i’m making no sense, so i’ll paraphrase:
Live nomadically in a beautiful foreign country? or live an unfulfilled life with a wife and family?
The only thing I would like to do is be a writer, and write a novel about my adventures, experiences with other cultures, and philosophical views.
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@professorx15, I don’t really see how you’re being selfish at all. Sometimes I think the want for a life partner and children can be selfish. People put so much pressure on themselves for those things, and so either settle for one of the first people that come along, resulting in a life of unhappiness for both involved, also bringing children into that situation. Or people live a life of unhappiness due to not being able to find the ‘perfect’ life partner, and having the ‘perfect’ family.
Do what you want to do dude, do not let the imaginary family in your head hold you back. Later in life you can always change your mind, or like others have suggested, you could try and find someone who would want to share that life with you. You shouldn’t have to mold your life for the sake of others.
@seti, Ok. I’ve got your point. I just had enough of this argument. I think I already made clear the way I think… Everybody else can think different.
My opinion doesn’t change, yours also… So why keep arguing?
@professorx15, I see that I cannot argue with you. We have very different views to life… at the same time we have the same. Our ways approach is different.
You are a dreamer. I am also a dreamer.
Then the difference comes: I believe in sacrifices, because I’m Christian and in my religion we do not believe in self-existence, like in Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, etc: We believe material is necessary, giving our blood and sweat for it is sacred and sharing is divine.
Once you add to the conversations these stuff about ego, meditation, I notice its not worth of my time. I don’t believe in stuff create by societies that are far more backwards than the society where I live…
I do not think I have to meditate to empty my mind, instead I think I have to fulfill my mind with beautiful thoughts.
I do not think I have to get rid of my “ego” to be happy… Ego is part of a human mind… actually the reason why we are alive. Search: Id, Ego and Superego in google.
Anyway, I’m tired of this argument… it goes in circles. I wish you happiness in your decisions. Just remember: what we plant today, grows tomorrow: it’s no personal view, just nature!
@prittii, Because life is not about doing what the fuck we want! If you do that, you will end up really sad!”
I’m sorry but that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. We aren’t talking about eating a burger we are talking about a lifestyle choice. You are interpreting his choice as sitting in the woods eating burgers for the rest of his life. No, he will make his choice then live however he WANTS in order to be happy. Maybe it will work out or maybe not we can’t predict these things, life is long and fluid.
You’re basing how other people find fulfillment on your own needs.
Your life is something you should be selfish about. I completely reject the idea that anyone should live the way another person wants them to. YOU are the one that has to live inside your head and carry out your life, not anyone else! Sometimes I am amazed at how nonchalantly people throw their lives away. I work with multiple people working themselves to exhaustion so they can study a subject they don’t like, simply because it’s what their mom wants them to have a career in. I say fuck that. Do what you want.
And I second manimal, why choose one or the other when you can have both? In fact if you are inheriting a fortune does that not give you even more freedom to do the wilderness thing?
@prittii, What you wrote about my career choice was “A job that is by far more unique and interesting than the second.”
If you look at the order of what I wrote, IBing came first, living with shaman came second.
Seems like you may have gotten it backwards, no?
I wonder if all these people here saying to this guy: “yea, go live in the wild, do what you want”, would say that to their parents, to their children, to their best friend.
Pritti – you are entitled to you opinion, and you seem to be intelligent, but why do you feel the need to force your way of life on other people? For you living in the wild would not be a good choice, but why do you think what you think is right and what other people think is wrong?
I think living in the wild is noble, and if anyone in my family or friends wanted tot do it I would support it. People who live in the wild develop survival skills that can be taught to others – their is an entire culture around Vision Quests where people live in the wild for short periods of time and survive on their own, but many people do it for longer periods. They enjoy it, and get something out of it, then pass on their knowlede to others.
Shaman or people who are shamanic initiates go into the wild and live for long periods of time, they live in nature alone and learn things that make them wise. The author has said he wants to write. Why not give him the time to figure it out. Perhaps he will be a wise writer and help millions? Human nature is one where people want to do service at some point, I think the author will have a lot to give. But, his path is guiding him in a direction to do something on his own, for now. I see nothing wrong BTW with him going back and accepting his inheritance. It’s his to have and do with as he pleases. What he wil do with it we don’t know, and can’t guess or assume.
I guess in the end I’m a lover of freedom of choice and a persons right to do with their life as they please. Equally I’m not a fan of totalitarian thought which imposes it’s ways on others – as if there was not a different way.
So I still say follow what Ralph Waldo Emerson said:
“Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.”
@livelifeloving, You have a really immature view of life.
How is it to bring up a child right? Does it exist?
How come someone that grew up with you and was always there for you, is not your friend just because this person disagrees and thinks you are crazy, because want to be lazy and decide just to live in a forest by yourself?
@professorx15, It seems like you’ve been given the perfect opportunity to completely chase your dreams, without the fear of failure. Put all that money in a bank, and do whatever you want to, knowing that if things don’t work out you always have that money to fall back on.
I suppose I have to agree with you Pritti, that my situation an that of the guy who created this post is different in that I am not a millionaire, not even close. I did work and did save, something I think you would appreciate based on our prior comments like “There are nothing more beautiful than the sacrifice of work!” That being said, I do believe my situation on another level is quite similar to the author of this post who starts off by stating that “I want to live a life of transcendence and detachment”. Selling everything you own, moving to another country and living with shaman is quite the transcendent experience – and I would say living as I do is indeed far detached from my society’s norms….
I also find your comments regarding my choices rather judgmental. Who are you to say that my choice to take up filmmaking and the study of shamanism is less unique and interesting then my previous job in Investment Banking? Your comments are rather opinion based, don’t you think?
I also disagree that he author is being selfish. He has a right as a human being on this planet to do as he chooses. And if living in the wild makes him happy then so be it. Maybe his experience in the wild will lead to something great in the long run. i can tell you that many of the shaman I work with lived in the wild for many years, and now their wisdom and healing powers help many around them. But, they never would have acquired this wisdom without their years living on their own.
BTW – you stated “If you always in your life just do what makes you happy, you will be pretty unhappy in the end!”, I disagree, if you are always making yourself happy, you will continue to be happy.
And, finally – It is not true that “Actually, people that don’t do much, have a high tendency for getting into depression.” It is quite the opposite, most people who are on depression or anxiety medication are working people – they have crappy, low paying jobs, bills and stress caused by their work. Companies are in business to make their shareholders money, not make their employees happy. It ist he long unrewarding work hours, stressful commutes and lousy working conditions that lead most people to depression.
@prittii, i really have no clue what you are trying to accomplish by taking on every single person here. Yes. their views differ, yes, you dont like it, we get that. But please, oh please do try and understand that the way you see the world is the way YOU see the world. Why would the experience of work be more valuable than the experience of just laying in the forest? Who decides what is valuable?
@frustratedpanda, If you always in your life just do what makes you happy, you will be pretty unhappy in the end!
This is planet Earth… not wonderland!
Why does Beetroot taste so strong and not as pleasant as burgers, when actually beetroot is extremely healthy and burgers are not?
Why sitting and doing nothing feels better than exercising, but exercising is making you healthy and sitting and doing nothing is making you sick?
Because life is not about doing what the fuck we want! If you do that, you will end up really sad!
I was lying on the diving board of a swimming pool belonging to some ridiculously rich chick this weekend (I was paid to take pictures of her party but was invited to stay and party with them in this ridiculous mansion) and at about 2am they cranked the song below (Frank Ocean – Super Rich Kids) and I laughed to myself as I was lying there because I realised how much fun I was having but that living in that environment would absolutely sabotage me and cause me to become stagnant. It’s fun to drop in on that life but I would never want to become it. I hope that provides a little insight.
@seti, Well, all I can say is good luck! If your documentary doesn’t sell, you won’t be so pleased about your choice.
I bet you like to go to a restaurant and have a waiter serving your food… have good food cooked for you… have a beautiful environment designed to please you… cleaned up by someone… But you think doing the jobs all these other people did is waste of their life, because people should do only what pleases them. I’m sure it’s not fun to stay in a kitchen cooking for other people… but the chef is paying his part in society and he gets in other ways.
Actually these people are much more important, than someone that just wants to please the self and live life for yourself. Thanks God, not the whole world is like you! Otherwise nobody would be able to have amazing experiences of going to a restaurant, traveling, visiting a beautiful park with a nice garden, etc.
@professorx15, “After my first taste of the wild, I can’t imagine NOT living there”
I mean, you give your own answer, why make things more complicated than that? Do what you want, and it seems you do not want anything else than living in the wild. GO FOR IT, live your dreams, forget about what society tells you to do!
@professorx15, It doesn’t save you when you lived in a trailer park for two weeks homeless, when you knew you could just go back to your grandpa’s house anytime.
First of all, I DO NOT want to harm you. It’s just a wake up call!
The service you give to the society doesn’t have to be something you don’t like, but not giving any service will make you sad someday. When you choose to simply do nothing, everyone looks down on you.
Do you deserve to be looked down?
If there are science, gastronomy, airplanes, books, music, cinema, internet and so many amazing things, it’s because there are people working and giving their life and their blood for it! Imagine if the whole world thought like you (and some other members here)? We would still be cave men. You know, the men of neanderthal doesn’t exist anymore, because they were not as good living in society as the homo sapiens.
You can choose if you like to live in the wild, for example, studying the science of plants or insects, studying the weather, Amerindian culture, surviving skills… getting most knowledge about it, spreading this knowledge with books, websites, videos, oral dissertations, etc.
There are nothing more beautiful than the sacrifice of work! This is what makes one person different from the other. This is what shows who you are in this planet. How much will you give from yourself to the society? How strong and good will you be for doing things that are not for you, instead for others? In result you get money as reward… so then you can give good education and a good life for your children. You can have amazing holidays and fun time with your wife.
Actually, people that don’t do much, have a high tendency for getting into depression. That’s because since generations work belongs to our homo sapiens nature! While you are doing the job it might sometimes feel unpleasant, but in your mind you are fulfilling many human necessities, such as accomplishing tasks, sociability, earning income, independence, etc. The boredom of doing whatever you want, at some point make you think too much… you feel useless, weak, stupid… you get slowly into suicidal state. Doesn’t matter if you are just constantly spending your time in fun, rich places… you will still think low about yourself!
So, I hope I made sense of it all! Finding a job that fits into what you are curious about, what you like to do, will make you much more satisfied in life, than just doing nothing and taking advantage of your grandpa’s fortune. Of course jobs are not pleasant all the time no matter how much you are interested in it’s theme… even more once they become obligation, but the pride you will feel, the peace of mind, and the respect you will earn from others are worth the sacrifice!
@professorx15, Having the life with the wife and kids is not by necessity unfulfilling my friend, in fact it seems that most human beings in recorded history have found this way of life fulfilling enough to perpetuate it!
Do not limit yourself to a false dichotomy, this is not a binary decision – perhaps you could find a girl willing and able to accompany you in your wilderness adventures and after a few years of that might want to have kids with you and bring them on your adventures as well! You could sell your grandfather’s house if it doesn’t hold too much sentimental value for you-freeing up plenty of money to be geared out for the wild and for flights/buses and other travel expenses, and use the leftover money at the end to purchase a more modest house once you finish your nomadic phase.
This is only one example framework of how your life can go, focus on what’s MOST important to you out of all the possibilities and then build your framework based on that priority-don’t limit yourself!