Living in the wild, or living in my millionaire grandpa's house?
I want to live a life of transcendence and detachment, but my grandpa isn’t going to live forever, and he told me that when he dies, i’m going to inherit his fortune, and his beautiful house. I want no part of American society, but I want a family, and a wife… I experienced the wild and studied survival for around 4 years, so i’m capable of surviving on all 7 continent (excluding Antarctica). After my first taste of the wild, I can’t imagine NOT living there… I don’t want a career, or a predictable life… I want inner peace and understanding… I know my wishes contradict themselves, and i’m making no sense, so i’ll paraphrase:
Live nomadically in a beautiful foreign country? or live an unfulfilled life with a wife and family?
The only thing I would like to do is be a writer, and write a novel about my adventures, experiences with other cultures, and philosophical views.
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@professorx15, I don’t really see how you’re being selfish at all. Sometimes I think the want for a life partner and children can be selfish. People put so much pressure on themselves for those things, and so either settle for one of the first people that come along, resulting in a life of unhappiness for both involved, also bringing children into that situation. Or people live a life of unhappiness due to not being able to find the ‘perfect’ life partner, and having the ‘perfect’ family.
Do what you want to do dude, do not let the imaginary family in your head hold you back. Later in life you can always change your mind, or like others have suggested, you could try and find someone who would want to share that life with you. You shouldn’t have to mold your life for the sake of others.
@livelifeloving, You have a really immature view of life.
How is it to bring up a child right? Does it exist?
How come someone that grew up with you and was always there for you, is not your friend just because this person disagrees and thinks you are crazy, because want to be lazy and decide just to live in a forest by yourself?
@frustratedpanda, If you always in your life just do what makes you happy, you will be pretty unhappy in the end!
This is planet Earth… not wonderland!
Why does Beetroot taste so strong and not as pleasant as burgers, when actually beetroot is extremely healthy and burgers are not?
Why sitting and doing nothing feels better than exercising, but exercising is making you healthy and sitting and doing nothing is making you sick?
Because life is not about doing what the fuck we want! If you do that, you will end up really sad!
I used to work in Investment Banking and gave it all up. I sold everything I owned. I moved to Peru to live and work with shaman. I have been in Peru for over a year and would not trade anything I have done for returning to the “normal”. I also documented my experience on film and am making a feature length documentary about shamanism and how ancient wisdom and knowledge can better our lives. There is another blog post about the movie here. It will be my only plug, but I feel my experience of breaking out of the bounds of society and choosing my own path is exactly what you are talking about.
BTW – money isn’t bad. It’s how it is used. You can do some great charity work with your inheritance. There are many people in great need of subsistance, clothing, education. Perhaps you could live in the wild and support a great cause?
@seti, It’s not possible to compare your decision with the decision of the guy that created this post.
You just used the money from your first job to finance a new job… A job that is by far more unique and interesting than the second.
That’s what I told him… If you want to live in the wild, study the weather, the plants, the Amerindians, or whatever interest him… Not just sit there on the butt, counting with the grandpa’s house for the future when he is tired of doing nothing.
And so, you conclude that you are right, while really, you haven’t got the slightest idea of what goes on in me.
Would you believe me (the best source for knowing what goes on in me) if your interpretation is wrong and that I wasn’t ironic?
You assume and assume and assume, doesn’t it tire you?
@prittii, Because life is not about doing what the fuck we want! If you do that, you will end up really sad!”
I’m sorry but that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. We aren’t talking about eating a burger we are talking about a lifestyle choice. You are interpreting his choice as sitting in the woods eating burgers for the rest of his life. No, he will make his choice then live however he WANTS in order to be happy. Maybe it will work out or maybe not we can’t predict these things, life is long and fluid.
You’re basing how other people find fulfillment on your own needs.
I suppose I have to agree with you Pritti, that my situation an that of the guy who created this post is different in that I am not a millionaire, not even close. I did work and did save, something I think you would appreciate based on our prior comments like “There are nothing more beautiful than the sacrifice of work!” That being said, I do believe my situation on another level is quite similar to the author of this post who starts off by stating that “I want to live a life of transcendence and detachment”. Selling everything you own, moving to another country and living with shaman is quite the transcendent experience – and I would say living as I do is indeed far detached from my society’s norms….
I also find your comments regarding my choices rather judgmental. Who are you to say that my choice to take up filmmaking and the study of shamanism is less unique and interesting then my previous job in Investment Banking? Your comments are rather opinion based, don’t you think?
I also disagree that he author is being selfish. He has a right as a human being on this planet to do as he chooses. And if living in the wild makes him happy then so be it. Maybe his experience in the wild will lead to something great in the long run. i can tell you that many of the shaman I work with lived in the wild for many years, and now their wisdom and healing powers help many around them. But, they never would have acquired this wisdom without their years living on their own.
BTW – you stated “If you always in your life just do what makes you happy, you will be pretty unhappy in the end!”, I disagree, if you are always making yourself happy, you will continue to be happy.
And, finally – It is not true that “Actually, people that don’t do much, have a high tendency for getting into depression.” It is quite the opposite, most people who are on depression or anxiety medication are working people – they have crappy, low paying jobs, bills and stress caused by their work. Companies are in business to make their shareholders money, not make their employees happy. It ist he long unrewarding work hours, stressful commutes and lousy working conditions that lead most people to depression.
@seti, Well, all I can say is good luck! If your documentary doesn’t sell, you won’t be so pleased about your choice.
I bet you like to go to a restaurant and have a waiter serving your food… have good food cooked for you… have a beautiful environment designed to please you… cleaned up by someone… But you think doing the jobs all these other people did is waste of their life, because people should do only what pleases them. I’m sure it’s not fun to stay in a kitchen cooking for other people… but the chef is paying his part in society and he gets in other ways.
Actually these people are much more important, than someone that just wants to please the self and live life for yourself. Thanks God, not the whole world is like you! Otherwise nobody would be able to have amazing experiences of going to a restaurant, traveling, visiting a beautiful park with a nice garden, etc.
Although the response is coming across harsh, I think that Prittii is making valid points; that if we are all interconnected and part of this evolutionary energy, then aren’t we duty-bound to make some sort of contribution..for this point, I definitely agree.
Whether LOU (as Prittii mentioned) learns the sciences of the wild, lives a sustainable living, or raises amazing human beings, the key thing is, is that he gives back to the universe. From the sounds of his post, I think he has every intention of doing that. The fact that he is planning on writing a book shows his intent; that he wants to move people with his words. If he is a wordsmith with a message, he might help millions of people around the world; an effect which is much more profound then working for a big corporation.
I hear where you’re coming from Prittii, as I come from a working class background where my parents struggled also..and my ancestry is from a land full of people who live the “yogi” lifestyle which basically is an excuse for a lot of them to to be lazy, irresponsible and use their “sacrifices” to justify begging people for money. But I think the intention to write a book, live a sustainable lifestyle, and break free from the social conforms of living somewhere “nice”, is refreshing and something we should celebrate.
If everyone lived the same, there would be chaos. India, China, Japan and mega metropolis’s are testament to this. Balance is what the universe needs. For every 100 people that want to live in the corporate world and contribute to the economy, there are 100 people who want to live with the bare minimum and make use of every single resource they have. That is the balance of nature.
Good luck mate, and make sure if you do decide to live in the wild; you give some of what your grandparents worked for, to someone/something who needs it. As I’m sure you would only need a small portion of what that mansion is worth to build a palace in the wild :)
@prittii, My film is not about making money. It’s about bringing a message to people that I believe in. The message is about ancient wisdom and how it can help our lives. Personally, I am not in disagreement with your comments about doing service for the comment good and the betterment of mankind. In fact, I am living it, by providing the service of making the film so 100,000′s of thousands of people or more can benefit by ancient knowledge. In this way I believe I am contributing something of great value to people who have an interest in bettering our existence.
BTW – if I was interested in making money I would not be making a documentary…… Documentary filmmaker’s are notoriously starving artists.
On the other hand, I believe in freedom, and choice, and the ability for a human to pursue happiness in their own way. As @godslight rightly points out about the author of the post that “I think he has every intention of doing that. The fact that he is planning on writing a book shows his intent; that he wants to move people with his words. If he is a wordsmith with a message, he might help millions of people around the world; an effect which is much more profound then working for a big corporation.”
I think what I object to most about your posts are that they are judgmental (For example, you made a value judgement about my career choice). You have implied untruths based on assumptions – i.e. your comments about me being disappointed if my film does not make money. You are insulting by telling the author is lazy and selfish, which is also judgmental. I could go on with other examples, but the point is instead of having an approach that is constructive and tolerant like @godslight, your approach is aggressive and negative.
BTW – I am 50 years old and have been working since I have been 16. I was a bus boy at a restaurant. I have worked every day since that first job, with the exception of 1.5 years in grad school where I got my MBA. I know what it is to work. I do not come from a wealthy background. i did not start out in Investment banking and have had plenty of jobs that were low paying manual labor – but you would not know that, because you would rather make assumptions.
My apologies for being direct, but a person is like a mirror, they get reflected back upo them which they project to others.
@prittii, You’re bumming everybody out with your aggressive criticism. Not everybody wants to go to a restaraunt. There is no ‘right’ way to live. I’m somewhat confused why you’re so upset that someone would rather be a writer than a bus boy? I’m sure you’ve read a book at some point in your prittii life..just try to appreciate not everyone needs to live the same lifestyle as you.
I’m sorry if you think my reply is harsh and I’m bumming people with aggression. Actually I’m just giving a reply to the same level people give to me.
I complimented Seti for trying to do a more unique and interesting job, and instead of being happy, he says I’m judgmental. The meaning of unique according to the dictionary:
“Being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else: “the situation was unique in modern politics”; “original and unique designs”.”
So what is unique here? Investment banks or studying shamans?
And interesting is surely subjective… so sorry if I’m the only one that thinks investment banks are not interesting.
Anyway, my point is what @godslight, wrote… he seems to be one mature person here. Unless what you do affects society positively, you won’t get any good from it.
I wonder if all these people here saying to this guy: “yea, go live in the wild, do what you want”, would say that to their parents, to their children, to their best friend. I’m sure they wouldn’t! Nobody wants to have a close friend living in the wild, between wild animals, with the risk to get a sickness, without growing any forward in life…
“You are insulting by telling the author is lazy and selfish, which is also judgmental.”
No… My approach is realistic and direct.
He is someone that doesn’t want to think about any other person in the world. Wants to live alone, by himself in the wild… and maybe take advantage of his grandpa’s house in the future. Meaning of the word selfish by dictionary:
(of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one’s own personal profit or pleasure.
So you are asking me to be a hypocrite and write everything I think in a “nicer” way… to not sound so harsh, because the word “selfish” sound so negative and offensive?
I think if a person wants to get beautiful words, you have to do beautiful acts.
@prittii, What you wrote about my career choice was “A job that is by far more unique and interesting than the second.”
If you look at the order of what I wrote, IBing came first, living with shaman came second.
Seems like you may have gotten it backwards, no?
I wonder if all these people here saying to this guy: “yea, go live in the wild, do what you want”, would say that to their parents, to their children, to their best friend.
Pritti – you are entitled to you opinion, and you seem to be intelligent, but why do you feel the need to force your way of life on other people? For you living in the wild would not be a good choice, but why do you think what you think is right and what other people think is wrong?
I think living in the wild is noble, and if anyone in my family or friends wanted tot do it I would support it. People who live in the wild develop survival skills that can be taught to others – their is an entire culture around Vision Quests where people live in the wild for short periods of time and survive on their own, but many people do it for longer periods. They enjoy it, and get something out of it, then pass on their knowlede to others.
Shaman or people who are shamanic initiates go into the wild and live for long periods of time, they live in nature alone and learn things that make them wise. The author has said he wants to write. Why not give him the time to figure it out. Perhaps he will be a wise writer and help millions? Human nature is one where people want to do service at some point, I think the author will have a lot to give. But, his path is guiding him in a direction to do something on his own, for now. I see nothing wrong BTW with him going back and accepting his inheritance. It’s his to have and do with as he pleases. What he wil do with it we don’t know, and can’t guess or assume.
I guess in the end I’m a lover of freedom of choice and a persons right to do with their life as they please. Equally I’m not a fan of totalitarian thought which imposes it’s ways on others – as if there was not a different way.
So I still say follow what Ralph Waldo Emerson said:
“Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.”
@prittii, i really have no clue what you are trying to accomplish by taking on every single person here. Yes. their views differ, yes, you dont like it, we get that. But please, oh please do try and understand that the way you see the world is the way YOU see the world. Why would the experience of work be more valuable than the experience of just laying in the forest? Who decides what is valuable?