Looking for quality kick drum samples.
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@beyond, @manimal, The pair of you need to stop rubbing each others bollocks. You manimal need to shut up with the pretentious crap and spare us the patronizing one liners. And Sasho, you’re just a depressive moron with an absurdly unhealthy love for anecdotes.
Sound designer my ass ‘Man’, I have my qualifications for a reason. I have a high profile in the city and have a rental studio with a pretty hefty gross return. It’s my profession. I doubt you make a living off it. I bet all your money’s made providing pseudo therapy sessions on here. And FYI, I was going to depart some of my knowledge until I saw your ignorance.. which I tend to see all over this site. A bit of a megalomaniac really.
And Sasho, you mentioned me failing at marketing.. but that’s a business front, not a musical one. I tour and stuff, if that’s what you meant. That is one of my means of promotion. And honestly, music is a product, and if you’re afraid of facing reality than go play pony’s. The producers are their to get your music to a bigger market. You had a chance and you blew it. I think it’s your ego that is getting in the way. In the words of Miles Copeland “get the fuck out of my office”
But I thank you for that tidbit Sasho. It was amusing. Daft Punk know it all.
@hybridext, Why don’t you share some of your work instead of talking about degrees? Because you seem desperate for attention like the arrogant musicians that don’t know how to promote themselves in a better way, just because they put their ego before their music. My condolences if that’s the case.
@manimal, @beyond, Sasho, I think you’re getting music confused with business, dear. And ‘Manimal’, there’s a reason I put it in quotation marks. It is equivalent to a PHD. I am an accomplice in Jazz music. I’ve also produced the David Markey band. I have done my grades and I don’t need to be vindicated by some college frat boy who’s stuck some loops together on Ableton. And please, enough with the ‘haters’ malarky. It’s just an excuse to say “I don’t like people having different opinions”
I’m sorry, how informal of me. When’s your next track going to ‘drop’? :)
@beyond, There is a new business model and you have to adjust. Quit the tired old “the music industry is dead” stigma. The 3 major labels left still own over 80% of the market.
This was about ‘bedroom musicians’ such as you and Manimal. The type that make tracks as a past-time when they’re stoned. They are the bastardization of the DAW era. The day music became universal, people like you began to exist.. with all your Massive, FM8 garage-bandey, apple loop warts.
And frankly, I’ve had enough of the pair of you. I’ve been using HE for the past year just viewing stuff and I’ve seen a slow shift in power to key ‘celebrity’ figures like you two, where your egos run wild.
I digress though, your music was somewhat more bearable than Eli’s. A darn sight more original, too.
@hybridext, “Sasho, I think you’re getting music confused with business” I surely doubt so. I don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore. No music from you, only bragging about… nothing, really.
I haven’t seen discussion like this on this site about music competition, and even though you’re not contributing to the thread at all or coming with the intention that we could learn something from each other, I thought you’re kinda interesting and was curious how your work sounds like. Everything is off-topic now.
One of the reasons I don’t even share most of the music I started making 10-11 years ago is because I had to start hating visiting studios of self-proclaimed producers that couldn’t earn my respect, yet had a very high opinion of themselves and took an absurd amount of money from musicians they didn’t even like. Not anyone was even remotely passionate about music, except some of the artists that tried to work with those “producers”. I found that awful.
What is the “David Markey band”? Who is David Markey?
By the way, excuse my incompetence, but I had to google what EDM is, because electronic music isn’t something I’d listen to alone. So I found this and thought it’s hilarious:
“His bandmate Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo then added: “I don’t know EDM artists or the albums. At first I thought it was all just one guy, some DJ called EDM.” When asked if that was because it all sounded the same, he replied” “A little bit, yeah!” while Bangalter added: “Maybe it’s just one guy called Eric David Morris.”"
@hybridext, I didn’t mention you failing at your market or… whatever you’re talking about again. I was merely pointing out your lack passion for music and you’re still bragging about your serious business skills. I don’t care about that. Talking about the music industry today, considering most of it is crap isn’t really a good argument. How can anyone that loves music would be envious of someone talentless? It’s cool you have dignity though, but I prefer to listen to quality, not how much money you have or whatever. What a waste.
@iPrentice, Different ones are good for different things. I don’t know many good free/cheap ones though, but I know that they do exist. Lots of em.
Depending on the DAW you use, there could already be a great one built into it. Live has a few good ones, and FL has the great FL compressor, Logic has some really good compression.
Personally I like the Waves compressors, especially the SSL, The LinMB and the Vintage compressor. Fabfilter Pro-C is the one I recommend though, because it’s extremely versatile and has lots of different settings.
UAD Pultec is another great one.
Then theres TheGlue, which may or may not be free. It’s also built into the recent versions of Live.
But the freeware and native ones are good too these days. As long as it does its job.
Learning how to use them can seem tricky at first, but it will become easy pretty soon.
Look, using pre-processed samples is very limiting, and they’re often very hard to fit into a mix. Most of the time they aren’t very usable, they’re just made to sound good on their own so people will want to buy the pack. Those kinds of samples rarely sit good in a mix.
Most producers only use a handful of samples. Basic ones. 808, 909, some lo-fi/break samples, and a few proper acoustic samples. Then they shape and layer them in various ways.
When you’re really happy with a kick you use, just bounce it from the track and keep it for later use. Build your own little library of samples that fit perfectly in your own music.
That’s how the pros do it.
Glitzy sample packs are just ways to make money. And sadly, people often confuse that kind of stuff for professionalism and start trying to mimic it, so the non-commercial samples sound the same.
@manimal, I’m sure you posted about mastering on another thread. And I usually don’t touch the eq or use compressors, because I make things worse. Like I can’t touch it just a little bit or it annoys me. I was never into audio engineering, since I enjoy more to just play and the only stuff I usually like from my recorded stuff is improvisations I kept. If I spend more than 30 minutes on something I don’t know how to finish I immediately delete it or it just stays somewhere and I hate it.
@hybridext, Whatever, haters gonna hate.
I make some generic stuff, but not much. Also, it’s dance music, like all forms of dance music the lines are quite distinct.
You have a ‘phd’ eh? Wow, not even a real phd but some quotation mark shit. Wow man, big creds… Not even a real phd means a shit.
Audio engineering is my profession, I do it for a living.
Go back home under the bridge…
@hybridext, @beyond, @Manimal, it’s just music.. relax people. It’s meant to be fun not be the best at. You guys all make me laugh, music is based on how a certain person perceives your music. So, how can anyone’s music possibly be “better” than anyone else’s music. Just enjoy it.. who cares where you got a degree from or what you got a degree for. Do you really believe most “popular” producers/artist went to school for music?
@iPrentice, Also, if you hear a kick (or other sound) you really like in a track, see if you can sample it. That way, you’ll get kicks that sound just the way you want.
A lot of EDM tracks have simple drum tracks at the start and/or end of the song to make DJing easier. That also makes it easy to snag a sample.
Almost all tracks have the kick in mono, so if you get rid of the stereo content (by phase inversion) you can snag some samples that would otherwise be masked by other stuff.
It won’t always be clean, but you don’t always need clean. Look at all that old sample music (such as The Prodigy,) none of those samples are clean but you don’t hear the leak once the sample is in the song.
@iPrentice, No problem, I’m glad you like it.
Yeah I’m a musician, I have an unhealthy obsession with music haha. You can check out my mixed EDM project here: https://soundcloud.com/psychophanth/
But the kicks in those tracks aren’t sampled, I synthesized them from scratch. Actually, almost everything in those tracks is made from scratch. That’s the whole idea of the project, sound design practice.
@manimal, It’s a pretty good porn too. I like doing it, but if it sounds good the first time I do it I can’t dare to touch it afterwards, or do the same thing, or recreate it the exact same way when I want to improvise again. Fuck, even when I improvise playing a keyboard I want my nervous playing recorded, because it seems like a true expression I can learn from afterwards. Unfortunately I still have a stage fright so I can’t kick much ass as I’d want to. Maybe if I put on a mask of a cartoon mouse I’ll manage.
@hybridext, Not only are you using the “fancy words” wrong, but you’re also misspelling… rhetorical backfiring.
Oh, I can assure you that thing is not equivalent to a PhD. If it’s not a PhD, it’s not a PhD. End of story.
I haven’t been to college, never been in a frat, haven’t used loops in the last 7 years, and the only time I use Ableton products is when I perform live.
I’m not planning any ‘drops’ in the near future. I’m busy writing songs with my prog band, oh and I’m also writing an overture.
Haters gonna hate when I say haters gonna hate.
@hybridext, Oookay! I don’t know if my ego runs wild when I hate people that take themselves so seriously, but you have a point when you generalize that everyone makes music nowadays. I usually don’t converse with know-it-alls, but I’m still wondering why every motherfucker in these music circles are so egocentric and annoying. I’ve met a lot of people like you.
I mean, how does one usually talk with guys like this? Bla-bla, music industry isn’t dead, bla-bla. I said the music is crap, not that the industry is dead. Where do you even get those ideas like I’m talking to myself? Are all in this business front morons? If they are, I might have a bigger chance if I didn’t know how to talk too.
@manimal, Really like your stuff man! Production is awesome. I’ve been stuck for a long time on my mixing and mastering skills. I could use a few pointers if you wanna check out some of my tracks. soundcloud.com/michael_prentice