Love = God = Brahman = Christ = Buddha = YOU!
I don’t care about what people believe. I’m talking about definitions. When someone says “God” do you say “no thats not for me” or do you translate the word into your locally appreciated term?
I’m still surprised at the number of people who HAVE seen through the labels to find the reality of it. Are most people on here understanding that love is God or does this still seem illusive.
No matter the name: Universe, Atman, Brahman, energy, God, love, I AM light, Christ, bliss; whatever. Are we in agreement that we are talking about the something that feels beyond us until we realize that we are that (Love / God / toilet paper roll)?
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@healingchime, Love it! Lol dude. You are so right and never let anyone tell you otherwise, because it were otherwise, it would be an other truth. Lol, it is beauty. Realization, as I know you only have recently discovered and it is blowing your socks off. trust, let it, and it’ll take you to a whole new more powerful you.
@pornoholic, I’m talking about YOU, the one who always was and always will be. this one has no concepts, no mind, and never was born. Before anything was, you had to be there to name it, or to accept or reject it. I’m talking about the truth that all the paths lead to.
The world presents a web of material definitions, unable to see the root of all conceptuals is the awareness of being alive, the I AM that all religions have found to be present in the human experience. If your @pornoholic name is a true reflection of how you feel about yourself, it would be your trust in passing appearances that creates the potability of separation. Addiction is caused from a fundamental feeling of being a distinct separate part of the world. Once you know you are everything in the world and more, there is no where you must go to be whole. All addicts are trying to get to the other side of a road that does not exist because they believe that some thing will create completeness. What can be discovered in this human experience is that who you are has always been complete. this fundamental reality can be experienced by everyone. It is easy. Not male or female, you the original source are beyond all things. Nothing can be added or taken away.
God is the presence of continuous creative experience. Just because the world is caught in definitions that appear to create separate concepts does not mean they are separate in actuality. If you manage to make contact with your true self, then you can go beyond the mental field into the spiritual unity that exists in all things. I am your true self. The fall of man was simply the propagation of the idea that God and bliss and attainment are out there, and that you are separate. you are that. It’s not my job to convince you, but I can surely point to the truth that bubbles up from within you to create this very experience. How do you know that you exist?
@chemicalspike, The you that says “I’m not there” does not exist. If attainment is available, why not today? Who you are, will be the same 10 or 20 years from now. Who you are is not on the other side of an experience. Who you are is not thought. Who you are is the same as you were at birth, and before. Otherwise how could you connect memories together to say, “I did this” or “I went there”. It’s so simple. You are like the string connecting all the human experiences that you have had. How could you be anything else? The laughing buddha is laughing at his own silliness, thinking why did I think this was hard?
So the ‘you’ that you pretend to be, simply is not real. The real one is present, not as an individual will, but as cosmic consciousness. It is only the imagined sense of self that feels it must get somewhere. For one who has realized ‘the self is all there is’, there is no where to get to.
By saying, “I am this, just this, and it’s whole” you are bridging the gap mentally, but not experiencing the fruit of real understanding. It is one thing to have words, and another to have the light shining as your own awareness, in conscious experience. Why do I go through all this? Because I know you are me. There is no other reason than because I love you as myself. Love (God) has a profound quality that I am willing to explore, without an ounce of frustration or anger to build. Because the root is pure, so are the branches. If you really were who you say, “just this” then we would have nothing to say. But our words are honing in on where “just this” is mixed with some other identity. It all goes. Every once of doership. There is no doer, and there never was.
By feeling small, you create a big state that must be attained. I’m saying the one who has both big and small is absolute awareness. What is absolute awareness? It is the principle of seeing the continuity of experience. Read that again: YOU are the principle of continuity of experiencing. You are that who knows you exist. It is not a metal game, but a pointing to the real you. In the awareness that you are the continuous experience, all notions of attainment vanish. This is the true state. This is the eternal bliss. It is what you already are. The bliss of the self never changes, and that is why it is blissful. You are like the sky, and clouds are your bodies and various experiences in those bodies. They never stay in the sky.
That is why I find your statements to be mixed. They are a mental / physical habitat.
You say we are complete. And yet you say, I’m not there yet. See the contradiction that your mind is creating. There is no need to believe in what the mind says. Use your direct experience to prove it to yourself. Can you not exist? Look right now! A piece of the sky can drift along with a cloud, saying “I’m complete” but what will the sky do when the cloud starts to vanish?
So the complete one is real and always will be but the ‘i’m not there yet one’ never existed. It can take years for the ‘I’m not there yet’ to dissolve from the mind, but it never has the power to eclips who you really are. This is why I say you are equivalent to Buddha and Christ. That is You, right now, watching these scenes, having this experience. This is the light, and it is nothing other than who you are.
The you that wants to disagree is only a mental artifact, and never existed. You cannot disagree with someone telling you to verify your own experience unless you are just stuck in a mindset of disagreement. I’m actually giving you a new opportunity to look, and you want to talk about Buddhism in an imagined world of form. Who is the one who likes the ideas of Buddhism and the form of the world that those thoughts support? Consciousness does protect itself form knowing itself too early.
In a way you are being asked to go beyond, by agreement with your true self telling you that you are allready whole, allready like the saints. But something small wants to say,
“No, I’m just me, just this, how could I know? And I don’t want to believe in fairy tails”
And my advice is to stop telling them, and step into the absolute awareness that is calling you.
“But that doesn’t make sense” you say. “How can I call myself if I am already that”
And I would reply, it seems that who you are calls out to who you are not, simply to see the real one appear in absolute clarity. Then by seeing who you are not, you can all the more sense who you are, in this age old and mysterious game. There is a play to it. And until you see the play, it feels serious, like “I’ve got to get it”, until you see that you are not anything that has the capacity to change. Then life, as you know it takes on a completely new flavor, not simply human, but as a divine one having a human experience. How lovely it is to be YOU. At least agree with that.
@manimal, Exactly, and it finding it so, my heart wraps itself in humility, my mind in silence, and yet knowing that I am here, bold enough to consider all knowledge as nothing. Praise be to God!
all this choking up over a word. not trying to undermine the thread, nor suggest that language is by no means quite definitive in our lives (the old nursery rhyme, sticks and stones, is actually rather untrue in my eyes, words scar, but also heal) but i sense that some peoples’ stifling of the expression may stem from their previous stigmatisation as a result of association with religions- and thus something we are all somewhat fighting: naive beliefs. of course, this is definitely not what we all have had somewhat assumed, and if this thread has helped me it has allowed me to realise that yes, religions are plagued by unquestionable ignorance and ungodly urgency for fame but that does not mean that they should take the word god with them (i never thought i would be defending the use of any word so fervently, but heck here I am). even when I would never see myself even using said word in public (due to said associations) i think what the originator of this post and many others are enthusiastic about is defining that ever so elusive disposition we humans inevitably face: confirmation of existence through idolatry. whether we seek truth (while naively believing, i might add, that the absolute does indeed exist), a divine entity, material possessions or we inevitably deify those who we perceive to have divine talent, insight or physical features (those who we are known to aspire to is quite a cause for concern if you ask me), such reprisal stems from the quiet urgency to save us from doubt and give us something to do as well as love. quite simple really, anything metaphysical though and i’m outta here!
@healingchime, I disagree – you did expect this beauty here, that’s the only reason you’re on here, and truley the only reason your seeing beauty where you wish to look, that is where we find our beauty. It isnt out there, we create it by our realisation or perception of reality.
@healingchime, Lovely post. I agree with all that you say. Earlier, I approached your (first) post with a more judgmental, critical frame of mind, as I thought you wrote all that without any real understanding. But all your subsequent explanation in 2nd post convince me about you.
I already know what you say – from family elders (Hindus & Buddhists), from books, from ‘satsang’ discourses, people from other religions, etc. So, I know that and a lot more on spirituality & metaphysics. But the problem is – all this knowing failed to convince me, and I’ve ended up being a so called loser in every sense of the term. What I need is a ‘direct experience’ of all that I know. That is the only thing that will truly convince me about oneness and thus liberate me from my own uncontrollable egoistic outer-self (mind). I have tried meditation, prayers, Krishna, Jesus and all, but nothing touched my core. I’m agnostic now but haven’t completely given up on meditation yet. Guess the thing will happen when my time or death, whatever comes first. Until then no relief from miserable existence of duality.
Too many I’s in my post…lol!
@healingchime, I agree with PDC that it simply isn’t true to say that I am the same as God or Buddha those are concepts that differ from me, but what they represent in the psyche of people might actually be themselves and the rest of the world indirectly.
Sorry Healing Chime but I don’t get this vague almost nonsensical broad terminology. This again appears to be the thought process that we’re all bigger than we are, that we are magical when in actual fact we don’t need to make things up and be part of the massive bigger picture.
We are enough by ourselves. We aren’t broken, we don’t need fixed, we don’t need to be bigger than we are to have meaning, we don’t need to be matched with gods or equivalent to gods in fact we don’t need to be anything. What we are is OK, its good and ultimately the most important thing is that we contain everything we need to be complete and happy. We are everything we are and everything we need to be. No need to go wishing after other things or imagining massive ideas.
Terms, concepts and language are important. They create difference, they seperate ideas and create important divisions between those ideas and some ideas are better than others or more beneficial so its important to have these distinctions for our advancement. So it is important to stress whether you are a believer or not that God is an idea, it has meaning and it isn’t just everything up to and including the turd on the street. It like Buddha are very individual concepts pertaining to particular thoughts ideas or people and its OK to seperate them.
In the very same way this site suggests ways to feel good and bad, those terms aren’t interchangable if they are to retain any value as descriptive terms for us to talk to each other.
@healingchime, It has many names, therefore it has many different meanings depending on your own personal beliefs. That’s the beauty of it, and that’s why it’s so insanely stupid that we’ve started wars over it. Personally, I believe just as you do – that we are all one, we are all “it”. We are love, god, light, the universe, etc.
@pornoholic, Thanks so much for your honesty. Guess all I have to say is: there is nothing you have to do or believe or experience to be. Simply be. If you do feel stuck, it sounds like ayawaska might be helpful for you. There are plenty of recipes online and you can get all the ingredients for less than $40 or $50 (plus they are legal ingredients until you ‘cook’ them). I found the ayawaska experience to be very refreshing and I try to get one in about once a year. There was a reason our paths crossed, and it has to do with the potential of light that is common in everyone. Let it shine!
@wesleyleigh, You have an interesting post for sure. What I am really getting at is that our sense of existence IS absolute. But our belief in an outer world causes us to miss this simple fact. The sense of your existence is absolute, and centuries of wise people have been finding this truth.
In the blur of words we use, I am only pointing back to the absolute that we are. But this all-encomapassing reality can be the hardest pill to swallow, while offering the most potent medicine. I’m not really talking about words, but of the keeper of words. We have learned to think of ourselves as people and so suffer people problems. But we are not people. People is just a sound that makes us feel like we are defined by bodily existence.
For how can a problem exist, if the person does not. From the view of consciousness, all is perfect, self expressing as many, in a dance of cosmic design. The outer wold has absolutely no consequence on who you are, although it takes quite a earnest heart to admit that. What we get in the various levels of mental spirituality are different psychic images of self that remain incomplete. When the ice cube finally surrenders, and melts into the ocean of being, only water remains. This primal water, consciousness, is all encompassing, all loving and creates our individual experiences of life. One with the creation, the sense of separate person hood can dissolve in a greater seeing that all is spontaneous and happening on it’s own. It is freedom.
Agreeing or not agreeing is not of any value to you. Knowing who has the power to agree or disagree makes the difference. And so it goes~~~
‘I SEARCHED FOR GOD AND FOUND ONLY MYSELF. I SEARCHED FOR MYSELF AND FOUND ONLY GOD’. – SUFI PROVERB
@chemicalspike, Who is it that doesn’t get something? As a person, you can define youself according to any words you choose. As consciousness, you are free from every container as the divine principle filling all things with life, and then what words can describe you or contain you. All this feeds into you. Who is that one?
For one who is truly empty as you have suggested, how are they different from anything else? Or is there a particle still trying to fight for survival? When searched for, the individual cannot be found. What is left is the immeasurable ocean of being, containing everything and allowing every potential to be. It is the nature of being to know this, to be this, and to spread this light, everlasting magnificent self-knowing that you are! I am even you! For how could I exist for you, apart from your mind?
I’m in agreement, definitely. It always throws me off when people rant about how “God doesn’t exist.” I just wonder to myself what they define as God because, really, how do you define this…thing we have so many words for?
I feel like it’s something you just feel… Some greater weird interconnectedness in which we’re all one thing. But I could be wrong because that’s really just me personally and I don’t want to speak for everyone else.
I add that disclaimer because if everyone felt the same way, there wouldn’t be so much..disconnectedness in this world.
Without contacting the entity that is imputed
You will not apprehend the absence of that entity
Ātman is an essence of things that does not depend on others; it is an intrinsic nature. The non-existence of that is selflessness