Love & Hate Anaylsis
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
I wrote this back in 2009 and thought I’d share it here. In today’s society the words love and hate have little to no meaning; simply because no one can agree with each other what they mean. I tried to define love and hate according to how our society most frequently uses the words. Valuing something is recognizing something’s pleasurable properties. Pleasure is to satisfy a desire. A desire is a want of a specific something which will bring the wanter happiness. So basically valuing something is recognizing how something makes you happy. But many times the thing which is being loved does not directly bring one happiness. Therefore sometimes what you love is not always liked. This is because most things have different properties. So you may not enjoy taking medicine but you were satisfied that you did because you know that you’ll be better now. Wow… That was harder than it looked. So valuing something negatively would be recognizing something’s unpleasurable properties. Unpleasure is to actively disatify a desire. A desire is a want of a specific something which will bring the wanter happiness. So basically valuing something negatively is recognizing how something makes you unhappy. But many times the thing which is being hated does not directly bring one unhappiness. Therefore sometimes what you hate is not always disliked. This is because most things have different properties. So you may not unenjoy lusting but you were disatisfied that you did because you know that you’ll be worse now. |
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| Syn.Ther.
Love is so much more in my opinion, and it is a little to black and white for my taste. And can I ask you do you still agree with it yourself Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
I think english needs more words for love. The way the words are used now I believe this to be a good definition to put in the dictionary. But as you said love is so much more. |
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| Syn.Ther.
Why try to define everything, you are aware you have feelings, dont rationalize everything, it is not a science experiment Love is what you make of it, dont try to contain it Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
The quest for self betterment rests in how much you understand about yourself. That is why I try to define everything. |
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| Syn.Ther.
Ok I can understand that but would that not limit your understanding as you stick to generalizations and compromise, while for emotional experiences the being lost for words moments are in my opinion the most valuable. What better then to experience something beyond comprehension which is untouchable, unquantifiable, etc…. The purpose of communications is to enable the creation of understanding and therefor learning and progress, the moment progress occurs definitions need to be reshaped…. it is never done.. And before loves purpose could be defeated it must fist be thoroughly defined and this is something impossible therefor my answer is no. Peace |
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| Em
Love is defined by each individual–there’s nothing you can do about that. If you want to try to analyze and define love…your ‘logic’ is going to be a heavy anchor. <3 |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
If love is defined by each individual, then love for one person means nothing to another. And nothing for one person means love to another. Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of love for each individual? |
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you forget empathy, sympathy and a whole range of other emotions mankind is capable of you can not just distillate one and pick it apart, thats not how it is constructed i believe…. To call the emotions of another nothing in my opinion is very thin ice. To project such thoughts is tricky as you are just you…. Peace |
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@alien51: Can you give us examples of something you love and something you hate, and why? That’s the kind of thing I’m curious about. What do you hate a lot and why? I think it’s hard to break up emotions into categories. I’d say “emotion” is a sphere, and feelings are blobs that can inhabit multiple regions of that sphere. to some degree we can influence the size/shape of those blobs – or maybe we’re changing our sphere . . . that’s a separate thread. some feelings are larger than others. I kind of hate the very beginning of the cold showers I’ve been taking but I love the anticipation beforehand, the excitement while I’m in there, and the awareness afterwards. right now, I’d say Cold Shower fills a lot of my emotional sphere! joking aside there is lots of stuff I misunderstand or am confused by, but I am having trouble thinking of something i’m actively hating. In part because of think of hate as an action, whereas love is an emotional reaction? I feel like I don’t devote any energy to hating anymore. I mean I think subsidies are pretty stupid but I don’t HATE em, you know? |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
I didn’t call anyone’s definition of love nothing, yet. Logically, “If love is defined by each individual, then love for one person means nothing to another.” rather this ‘could’ be the case. Because it never means the same thing. |
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| Syn.Ther.
So what do you consider it to be |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
@Syn.Ther._____A choice. |
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| Syn.Ther.
haha, you are wrong and one day you will know, that is not an opinion but a fact. “Meeting you was fate, becoming your friend was a choice, but falling in love with you I had no control over.” Love is many things but a choice…. not very likely “Love is the condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.” Robert Heinlein And to hate reality….. that is not a good thing is it Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
“Love is the condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.” – Robert Heinlein |
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| Syn.Ther.
Ive read it but as you might have noticed i dislike confinement still searching for clues and answers is a good thing, it is my experience you will only get to know yourself if you are no longer afraid to explore beyond rationality because in the end it is the emotional experience which gives any value to being. It will be love, and the more you give the more you will get, nobody still has figured out why but it is a stubborn myth and I tend to be a believer. Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
Emotional experience is the only value of existing? |
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| Syn.Ther.
Ok so what do you expect from life aside from some material items, what do you believe are valuables when you are old and gray… So Yes I believe the emotional experience to be the only true valuable thing I take with me, wherever I go. The material items are convenient and sometimes just fun, for the rest,…. nothing I did not say no rationality, I said in order to discover yourself you need to go beyond it as you are a person with emotions and those can not be viewed purely rational. Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
What of value is there besides emotion and material? There is truth and love. Maybe something else, but nothing jumps to mind. |
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| Syn.Ther.
You can hide some emotions, to a certain level, no human is completely without emotion, which is a basic survival instinct. You base your Truth is an emotional value, there is no universal truth. and love is an emotional value so basically we agree …. Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
I don’t believe truth to be an emotional value, also I believe to claim it is is to defeat the purpose of truth. Same logical fallacy with what you said about love. I believe there are universal truths. I don’t believe love is an emotional value; we do not agree. |
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| Syn.Ther.
So there is no variance in truth based on culture or religion, region etc…. Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
“So there is no variance in truth based on culture or religion, region etc.”_____Yes. |
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| Syn.Ther.
final thought before i turn off, I believe you think highly of yourself, while I also believe it is thought better suited for others as intended for its purpose. Truth is not reality or can you swear there are no innocent people inside your countries prisons at this time? Is there a true religion? And for bitter truth and harsh reality of intoxication, ever been drunk… never went to bed with an ugly woman , but woke up with a few….. And trying to define love takes more then wikipedia , but that is my believe. I wish you well and I go to catch some ZZZZ Peace |
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(@alien51)
1 year, 10 months ago ago
“final thought before i turn off, I believe you think highly of yourself, while I also believe it is thought better suited for others as intended for its purpose.”_____I do not understand what this quote means. |
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