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Troll (@alien51)    3 years, 2 months ago

I wrote this back in 2009 and thought I’d share it here. In today’s society the words love and hate have little to no meaning; simply because no one can agree with each other what they mean. I tried to define love and hate according to how our society most frequently uses the words.
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Love is valuing something.
Hate is valuing something negatively.

Valuing something is recognizing something’s pleasurable properties.

Pleasure is to satisfy a desire.

A desire is a want of a specific something which will bring the wanter happiness.

So basically valuing something is recognizing how something makes you happy. But many times the thing which is being loved does not directly bring one happiness. Therefore sometimes what you love is not always liked. This is because most things have different properties. So you may not enjoy taking medicine but you were satisfied that you did because you know that you’ll be better now.

Wow… That was harder than it looked.

So valuing something negatively would be recognizing something’s unpleasurable properties.

Unpleasure is to actively disatify a desire.

A desire is a want of a specific something which will bring the wanter happiness.

So basically valuing something negatively is recognizing how something makes you unhappy. But many times the thing which is being hated does not directly bring one unhappiness. Therefore sometimes what you hate is not always disliked. This is because most things have different properties. So you may not unenjoy lusting but you were disatisfied that you did because you know that you’ll be worse now.

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Troll (@alien51)3 years, 2 months ago ago

“You can not truly hate someone unless you deeply loved them at some point.”_____That’s interesting. Probably true.

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Syn.Ther. (@luna)3 years, 2 months ago ago

_____I do not understand what this quote means.

Its food for thought, thats all.

I cannot swear there are no innocent people in my country’s prison at this time. How does that prove that truth is not reality?

Ask them this question or imagine yourself in such a position.

“Is there a true religion?” I believe so. What is it? I don’t know.

So this is unfounded and unexplainable and true? in which reality?

“And trying to define love takes more then wikipedia , but that is my believe.”_____You asked me for my definition of love. I used wikipedia to help define the greek word agape. I like to use that definition. I don’t believe love has an agreed upon definition, that was the purpose of this thread. I think if there was to be an agreed upon definition it would be close to what I initially posted.

I agree with you on the fact that there is no defined definition which is a joyful event, although I still wonder how this fits in your previous statement saying that without agreed definition it was nothing.

Seems contradictory to me.

Peace

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Troll (@alien51)3 years, 2 months ago ago

“Ask them this question or imagine yourself in such a position.”_____I don’t see how changing perspectives has an effect on what is reality, what is truth.
“So this is unfounded and unexplainable and true? in which reality?”_____It is not unfounded, if what I say truth is is true then there is a true religion. There is a true everything. As far as we think we know there is only one reality.
“I still wonder how this fits in your previous statement saying that without agreed definition it was nothing.”_____If I were to say to you I love you, before we met. You would not have understood what I meant. It would be the same if instead I said, “I gloud you.” You would not have understood me. It meant nothing to you. It’s common sense, the process of communication. Both of us have to understand the word to use it with each other. Otherwise it will mean nothing in the conversation.

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Syn.Ther. (@luna)3 years, 2 months ago ago

“Ask them this question or imagine yourself in such a position.”_____I don’t see how changing perspectives has an effect on what is reality, what is truth.

So you never experience sympathy?

And how one would go about to establish this single truth and reality, how come there are still wars and hunger, as with such a great thing as uniform truth and reality there would be no explaining to do. I would think the world would be boring but very peaceful so I am really curious.

Peace

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Troll (@alien51)3 years, 2 months ago ago

What does reality have to do with sympathy?
There are still wars because not everyone knows what the truth is. And many don’t want to believe the truth.

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Syn.Ther. (@luna)3 years, 2 months ago ago

What you believe to be reality you mean I begin to comprehend.

Same goes for your truth.

Still don’t understand though..

Peace

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Jeremy (@chadvice)3 years, 2 months ago ago

Syn.Ther and Alien51 – GREAT discussion. Loved reading through it. Here’s my ingredients I’d like to throw in the pot:

Humans, like all other living things on this planet, have an instinctual desire to reproduce and survive. Love is something that motivates us to stay close to someone, have children with them, then nurture those children (via love), and so on. If that concept is held constant across all things loved, then doesn’t it seem that anything loved is therefore somehow in line with our basic instinct for survival and procreation?

I believe that hate is simply a dichotomy of love. And again, if held constant, wouldn’t hate then be an emotion meant to propel us away from something that is NOT in line with our survival?

Final thought I had: If there were another species on Earth that had the ability to self analyze, I believe that we would know a lot more about ourselves. But, since we are the ONLY ones, we cannot have all the answers. I myself am very interested in self exploration and self betterment, but its “arguments” like this that perplex me most. The very concept of “love” and “hate” and even “laziness” for that matter are something that we created. They are a manmade interpretation of inner feelings. Feelings, however, are not words. There is no way to TRULY communicate them via speech. In fact, the best way we have is through nonverbal communication and feedback from others. Both of you obviously are intelligent, and have your own definitions based on your own experiences. It just seems to me that something like this cannot ever be definitively “solved” between two, three, or even ten people. Until the world is able to communicate with itself and become “one,” I don’t see how anyone will ever truly agree on any concept, especially something as subjective as emotion.

THoughts?

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Syn.Ther. (@luna)3 years, 2 months ago ago

Great thoughts Jeremy

And to become one would bring enormous clarity it also would be boring I believe ;)

You are right about the variety of definitions and the lack of universal language to transpose feeling into undeniable truth.

But isn’t just that the beauty of mankind and the motivation to explore the knowledge in others and allow your knowledge to evolve based on your personal belief system.
I believe it is crucial to enable the creation of understanding, not just on love and hate, but on everything that makes each one of us unique.

Peace cannot be kept by force it can only be achieved by understanding

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Troll (@alien51)3 years, 2 months ago ago

I don’t know what subjective means. I will assume it is the opposite of objective, which means. “[objective]: not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased.” In which case anything subjective can be defined objectively. Because we control our emotions. Meaning objective persons can agree on things, that’s the whole idea of being objective.
Love is not an emotion. Therefore not subjective, therefore objectifiable.
“If that concept is held constant across all things loved, then doesn’t it seem that anything loved is therefore somehow in line with our basic instinct for survival and procreation?”_____Yes. But using your definition of love.
“And again, if held constant, wouldn’t hate then be an emotion meant to propel us away from something that is NOT in line with our survival?”_____Yes. But using your definition of hate. I assume your definition of love and hate would be pleasure and displeasure?

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Jeremy (@chadvice)3 years, 1 month ago ago

A video that maybe clarify some of these… Subjective… Opinions we are presenting here:

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Thalassinus (@thalassinus)3 years, 1 month ago ago

another book recommendation….

the origins of love and hate – ian d. suttie

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