Love without God. How is this possible?

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Dick (@dick)    2 years, 2 months ago

Not another thread about God!
It is a pretty relevant topic, and I have a burning question that I didn’t want to hi-jack another thread with.
It seems to me that many people equate God with love; they are co-dependent. I believe, like many of you, that "love" is the key to personal fulfilment, as well as the path to follow to create balance within the world.
My question is; do you see love and God as inseperable? If so, how is it that I, as a non-believer, can come to the same conclusion about love?
Or//
Is love a universal truth that exists without God? (my opinion)
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Am I part of the love/God triangle and just too biased /closed /stupid /stubborn to realize it?
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Is there both God and love, but nothing linking the two?
Or//…….?

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Adam Mac (@emceedan)2 years, 2 months ago ago

I see zero correlation between god and Love. I don’t believe in the former, and bask in the latter.

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Adam Mac (@emceedan)2 years, 2 months ago ago

I see zero correlation between god and Love. I don’t believe in the former, and bask in the latter.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Substituting the word ‘God’ with the word ‘Love’ is probably the best thing humanity can do. Because God is a concept but if you take concepts away, the concept of God and the concept of Love, then the sensation of love remains as evidence that Love is not a concept, it is the fundamental truth to the universe.
(I have said in other threads) scientists do not use the word love (unless talking about neuroscience, endorphins and such in the brain) but every aspect of the universe that you can consider of creation, or creative forces, such as the relationships between cells, atoms and even things on the quantum level have attraction, coalescence, coexistence and even synergize into more complex structures to form the diverse components of existence.
Now, you do not have to call those relationships love, you can come up with a complex mathematical equation or formula to describe them or you can call it God but really, what better word than Love?

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Substituting the word ‘God’ with the word ‘Love’ is probably the best thing humanity can do. Because God is a concept but if you take concepts away, the concept of God and the concept of Love, then the sensation of love remains as evidence that Love is not a concept, it is the fundamental truth to the universe.
(I have said in other threads) scientists do not use the word love (unless talking about neuroscience, endorphins and such in the brain) but every aspect of the universe that you can consider of creation, or creative forces, such as the relationships between cells, atoms and even things on the quantum level have attraction, coalescence, coexistence and even synergize into more complex structures to form the diverse components of existence.
Now, you do not have to call those relationships love, you can come up with a complex mathematical equation or formula to describe them or you can call it God but really, what better word than Love?

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CosmicLemonade (@cosmiclemonade)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Love manifests as attraction. God is nothing, everything, and a little bit of both. And neither.

No proof for God. No proof for love. I still feel they both exist through me subjectively (as distinct from a separate, objective existence in which case these ideas could be proven).

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Tony (@emjay)2 years, 2 months ago ago

God IS love…
Read that in the Bible…
And I think the only way I can grasp that is like this:
Everything that God does is because of love, and all of his other qualities are BECAUSE of his love first and foremost… He is the description of love.
Us, well, we are made in the image of God.. Thats why I think we ”LOVE”, people, things, ideas, ourselves, whatever. But our definition of ”LOVE” is not sometimes like God’s.. For example: Love never fails right? and then Jesus said something like: Love those who hate you… And thats LOVE. But most dont want to accept THAT description of LOVE so they deny it altogether. IDK.

I just think that if you want the TRUE description of love, pick a bible and read 1 Corinthians chapter 13…. And just meditate on that for a few minutes.
and see how it relates to life.

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CosmicLemonade (@cosmiclemonade)2 years, 2 months ago ago

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@Tony yes God is love, but I feel an explanation is in order for the process of forgetting this truth, because that is how God experiences through US. Maybe this is just my mind groping for tangible explanations of things, but I feel deeply that we have forgotten our true selves in order that we may create them anew.

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Tony (@emjay)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@ Aaron

Dude I sort of get it… But ok, are you saying that in a way, we as humans explain LOVE in OUR criteria, so as to fit our needs?
If that’s what youre saying, then isnt it all just a matter of everyone OVERthinking things?

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 2 months ago ago

God is love. Love is god. God is energy. Energy is Love. We are Energy. We are love. We are God.
Everything is about love. Every motive someone has, is 90% of the time about love. People wouldn’t choose to live, if it weren’t for love.

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Tony (@emjay)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Nice.

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CosmicLemonade (@cosmiclemonade)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@Tony we explain love by our own criteria yes as a function of the conditions that society has ingrained in us through need fulfillment. Thats not true LOVE though because its just a response to certain needs being met. God is everything, and everything is love, but if this is to be true there must be a logical connection to be made between this “everything” and LOVE. I’m arguing that yes, through whatever means, God created and IS everything. God is pure love, but in order for God to EXPERIENCE His/Her own pure love, God must become something LESS than pure love. This is because without contrast existence is pointless and experience-less. Without contrast, God can KNOW Him/Herself to be pure love, but cannot experience it without becoming LESS than pure love. Of course, God can’t be anything other than just that: pure divine love. So God does the next best thing and FORGETS His/Her own nature in order that WE as humans may realize, remember, create, become, and experience Who We Really Are

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WryJester (@wryjester)2 years, 2 months ago ago

God is just a word. It means too many things to too many people. Love exists.
To some God is an impersonation of Love. To others God is a man in the sky controlling things…. >.<.

But yes you can have beliefs of love and even as love as the absolute truth without any relation to God. God is just such a useless term, but invaluable as we have no other term for it.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Love is just a word. it means too many things too many people. God exists

To some love is an impersonation of god. To others love is a force which controls everything…>.<

But yes, you can have beliefs about god and even as god as the absolute truth without any relation to love. Love is just a useless term, but invaluable as we have no other term for it.

:)

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 2 months ago ago

game-set-match!

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WryJester (@wryjester)2 years, 2 months ago ago

<3 Thank you for clearing up my rambling. What I meant to say was Alex's first post in this thread was spot on and I missed it.

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 2 months ago ago

alex you are right . for me too. GOD is LOVE and LOVE is non other than GOD. it is hard to say more on this topic for me.
man i just feel so much love. that is all. perhaps love is my religion. there are hardly words for this feeling… it is so vast.

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 2 months ago ago

alex you are right . for me too. GOD is LOVE and LOVE is non other than GOD. it is hard to say more on this topic for me.
man i just feel so much love. that is all. perhaps love is my religion. there are hardly words for this feeling… it is so vast.

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Tony (@emjay)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Too much LOVE in this thread!

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Dick (@dick)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@Tine-“the conclusions you have on Love are very different than my own and others who see the God / Love connection”
I’m curious as to why and/or how you would come to this conclusion. It seems to me that the only apparent ‘conclusion’ is that I don’t believe in God. Why is it not possible that I have come to the same conclusions? From what I have read on this thread and others, I have come to the conclusion that our conclusions are the same…and shared amongst people globally from all walks of life, cultures, religions, etc…
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The word argument doesn’t work for me. Words are words and mean different thing to different people, I get that, but I would argue that we communicate well enough and ambiguity is should not be a shroud for one’s personal belief.
Sometimes I think that the popularity of God in the consciousness of man if due to this idea that God and love are inseparable, like love is an exclusive club membership perquisite. If you don’t belong to the club, you don’t know love. That’s what it appears that Tine is saying in the quoted text above. To believe that love is something that is available to everyone, regardless of their beliefs, is incompatible and therefore not possible.
Love, compassion, forgiveness, community spirit, honour, caring,…are certainly not proprietary, or are you saying that I, as an atheist, are doing them wrong?

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Dick (@dick)2 years, 2 months ago ago

I still don’t see why our experiences have to be different. I feel like you are supporting my theory on the proprietary access to love through exclusive membership in the God club.
Those are good words, but I could have come up with that list myself.

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kittu (@kittu4509)2 years, 2 months ago ago

I found some really interesting advise for the non believers “live as though God existed and find out that he didn’t rather than live as if he didn’t and find out that he did. For me love is about caring mostly and God is about hoping that it only gets better from hereon.

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Dick (@dick)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@kittu-”live as though God existed and find out that he didn’t rather than live as if he didn’t and find out that he did”
You can’t win if you don’t play. That would apply to all religions and beliefs.

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Tony (@emjay)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@Tine
I think I fully agree mate. I have come to the RIGHT conclusion too many times before, but only to leave it as that. Just that, a correct conclusion. Never took action.
Now I currently find myself in that state. I have found the answer to many of my ‘life-explaining’ questions, but I find it so hard to do it.

For example, the whole ‘Love God and love your neighbor thing’ I understand it completely, but I always find myself cursing people out in my head, or insulting folks in my head. Thats not love for the neighbor.
I dont belong to a religion or anything, and I find it hard to pray. So that’s another thing.
Anyway, what am saying is, I agree. Now that you know, are you practicing that knowledge? For that’s where true wisdom lyes, eh.

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