Why do we do it? Why is it that when female circumcision is mentioned in where the fuck ever most people think it’s weird? Ever think why we have most males circumcised when they’re born, to help with cleanliness?.. Yeah, right. I think it’s some sort of damaging process to the male sexuality which makes us accept propaganda more easily. What do you all thinkk bout dat
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so if a child is born and there are no people with knives around and the mother doesn’t have knowledge that she should cut something off, then what? Did something go wrong?
How does cutting the most sensitive parts of a non consensual person’s genitals okay? Before they even actively find out what it is and what it feels like? “The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis.[...] Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.” If researching studies on this isn’t enough for you, why is chopping anywhere near your sensitive parts is okay (just for the sake of possibility of having it botched)? Why pass that on? Why don’t we hop on the bandwagon of cutting clits off while we’re at it? I’ve been with different penises, and some circumcision jobs are similar to uncircumcised penis and the frenulum and skin is still there and okay, and some unfortunately look painfully tight as an over stuffed sausage so taught that there’s pretty much no skin to move up and down and keratinization all over (skin turning into scar tissue) – how is this favorable on parts that you’re supposed to feel pleasure from? Whether or not its traumatizing to babies is a totally secondary issue. Someone’s future lover or wife wouldn’t want their sexual partner’s most sensitive nerve receptors in the biohazard bin, they’d want them to be attached to the person.
It’s ignorance to make these decisions when not fully informed. http://www.circumstitions.com/Sexuality.html I mean, this is a hoax and something stupid?
i think the whole issue is blown out of proportion. as a circumcised individual, i can say that it hasn’t emotionally traumatized me, and before you fucking tell me what i am and what i am not, just remember, you aren’t me. its a piece of skin. big deal. i’ve lost lots of skin since, in whatever manner, but that didn’t traumatize me. they see raised levels of aggression in babies? wtf? are babies beating each other with bats now? try looking at what is in their food, the kind of chemicals that the government approves, for any added aggression. losing a little skin doesn’t do that. i’m a peaceful guy, i despise the use of violence unless i am defending myself. you can’t call that aggression.
i believe i have as much libido as the next guy. and i seriously doubt that it makes sex any less enjoyable. mostly though, who the hell do you people think you are to take away a parent’s right to decide how to raise their child? that’s none of your damn business. no more than what religion a parent raises their child in. its pretty obvious that if it’s done properly, then circumcision doesn’t cause any issues later in life. i am circumcised, and honestly i have no regrets. i don’t hate my parents for making that decision. why on earth would i spend time bitching about something that i can’t change, rather than focusing on the problems in my life that are real issues, that i can solve?
people just need to stop bitching and moaning about stupid things. if you don’t like circumcision, don’t have your kids circumcised. i am neither here nor there on the matter, i think its not really that big of a deal. i may or may not have my sons circumcised. but then, that’s up to me, not you, isn’t it? is it really that difficult to mind your own damn business? maybe i’m weird, but i find that i am happier when all i concern myself with is what directly affects me, my family, and my friends. why should i care if some other man decides to have his son circumcised? i don’t remember the pain of it, and IF there was any emotional trauma, well, i got over it apparently. if i hadn’t been circumcised, i wouldn’t make a big deal out of it. seriously, it sounds like guys that compare dick sizes. who the fuck cares? we are what we are, and you can choose what you want, and so can i.
the moment YOU decide to try and limit MY choices, then there is a problem. i don’t care if you think it’s wrong, unless you present solid evidence of its having lasting harm, that’s your opinion. here’s food for thought: war is only ever caused when someone tries to impose their choice of lifestyle or belief on someone else. every war in history, that is why. so before you try and decide that you can tell other’s what they should and shouldn’t do when it comes to something so trivial, think about that. i’m not saying that i would start a war over this particular issue, but where does it stop? you can tell me what i can and can’t do with my kids, then you can tell me what to believe, what to think? you should solve your own issues before you try and tell other people what to do. IF you should tell other people what to do. same goes for me.
I’ve long debated this issue internally, and have yet to come to a satisfying conclusion. The children subject to the process certainly do feel pain at the time of the operation, but beyond a reasonable doubt they do not have any memory of the operation in later childhood and adult life. So there’s no argument for latent traumatization, but should we not do our best to avoid unnecessary pain when possible, even if brief? The research has shown us quite conclusively that in the modern age there is no real medical benefit of circumcision, and the only real benefit I’ve seen is one of sexual selection – Women (in the states at least) seem to prefer circumcised penises to uncircumcised, but I’d be willing to bet that’s just a matter of familiarity and normalcy, and could be rectified over a few generations if circumcision were to cease.
I suppose I’m against it, but only for the rather minor reason that it causes a brief bout of trauma in an infant’s life.
Tradition is a short cut to thinking for ourselves. Circumcision is practically a pointless procedure in the first place. and I’ve found a more recent article that is conclusive about Circumcision and how it dulls the male’s sensitivity. How unfortunate.
A protective layer of skin surrounding a sensitive, protruding appendage … came in handy when we climbed trees and slept in the cold naked. It’s just skin – no consequence of cutting it off – childhood trauma might be a good point but isn’t birth traumatic as well? You got over that, right?
Circumcision is symbolic of the golden phallus of Osiris – no conspiracy going on here. Just some spooked out mythological shit passed down through the ages.
Why y’all mad?
“Why do we do it?”
-I don’t. Do you? If you do it, you know why.
“Why is it that when female circumcision is mentioned in where the fuck ever most people think it’s weird?”
-Why is it that people don’t think twice about boys beating the everliving shit out of eachother, but freak out when girls do it? Why is it that there’s so many charity funds that’s only for helping girls but not boys? Like those ads about helping girls in poor African countries get educated, but never about only helping boys.
How come gender quotas are applauded when they favour women, but not the other way around? How come there’s so many complaints about women being objectified, but little to none about men being objectified?
It’s because bitches whine a lot, and most people these days think women are worth more and need special treatment all the fucking time.
“Ever think why we have most males circumcised when they’re born, to help with cleanliness?..”
-You’re implying that the majority of males are circumcised? That’s dead wrong.
Maybe in a few backwards dummy nations, but not in the whole world, nor in modern nations.
-The cleanliness aspect is nothing but bullshit, circumcision doesn’t make anything cleaner.
“Yeah, right. I think it’s some sort of damaging process to the male sexuality which makes us accept propaganda more easily. What do you all thinkk bout dat”
-Sounds ridiculous to me.
Nothing seems to even remotely indicate that circumcision fucks with libido or sanity.
Circumcision is fucking stupid as shit, but it’s not some kind of mind control shit. If they’d start neutering or sterilizing people, that’s a whole nother story. But that isn’t happening.
“Remedy for masturbation? I’d like to see a count of hands of my cut fellows who require vigorous techniques during sex/masturbation. It fucks you up a bit right? And why the fuck is the frosted flakes guy in charge of my dick?”
-Mr Kellogg was a real asshat in every way. Circumcision is not the only “remedy for masturbation” he endorsed. For example he recommended burning or pouring molten metal on girls’ genitals to kill the nerves, and to insert metal rods into the frenulum of boys.
“Remedies for masturbation” is just one of the many horrible things this fucker was dealing with.
And those frosted flakes are an atrocity, all their cereal makes people dumb and weak and sickly. That’s the whole damn idea.
“I’ve also looked at some forums where women discussed what they preferred and what not, and it surprised me that a large amount leaned towards the natural side.”
-That surprised you? What? Did you grow up in the desert or something?
Sane people don’t prefer mutilation.
And to all those of you who are circumcised; your parents are dickheads, they had you mutilated when you were small and helpless. And they probably felt proud about it, told themselves that they’d done you a favour or someshit like that.
It’s 20-fucking-13, but it seems a lot of people think it’s still 1320.
I’ve never once had a woman say anything negative about my uncircumcised penis. In fact, I’ve had a couple of girlfriends who really enjoyed it because they had never seen one before. I think that in pornography a majority of males are circumcised so that’s what girls expect. If you google image search “uncircumcised penis” only the really bizarre gross ones pop up. The World Health Organization estimates that only 30% of males worldwide have been circumcised, with 70% of those being Muslim. It’s a brutal religious practice.
My only thoughts on female circumcision are… WTF?!?!
@cognizantelephant, @12alecla, Interesting thoughts guys. A lot of what everyone has responded about this has weirdly felt like a compliment haha. I’m uncircumcised because I come from a Latin/Hispanic culture, and have always wondered what it would be like to get circumcised. But I guess I would agree with what most of you are saying, and to me there are a lot more pros over cons. The few cons I can even think of are having a few girls in my past that were very close minded about it, and that’s the problem they did not have an “open mind”. That’s exactly what Anna brought up about the social construction, that its “unattractive” to not be circumcised. And I guess this is the problem for the people that aren’t fully aware of how natural this is. Why else are we males born uncircumcised, just because that’s the way most people are raised, doesn’t make it right. There are really no strong arguments for doing it. Its the most natural thing in the world. I have never had a problem as far as the “unclean” idea either. And besides those close minded people, socially it has never really been a big enough issue for me to care. I do agree with the fact that to many guys are too ashamed of it and it just comes back on them and effects their social lives with girls. I’m not ashamed of it, especially after reading all the responses.
@malefic, thank god for everyone that you aren’t in charge of anything.
You did nothing except restate what was already said. Your claims are still unproven.
I hope things start to turn around for you. It seems like it would suck to be that irratable, ugly, and mean.
Best of luck to you.
Totally agree with you. Cleanliness? are you kidding me. Bullshit propaganda to make a man less of a man even before they are born. Circumcising a man even before he has a sense of the world that he exists in, is so cruel. I consider not being a American a true blessing, because the american society now wants to emasculate the man as much as possible. Most americans who were circumcized at birth will revolt to my comment. But thats the truth. Circumcize your penis? Shave all your body hair? Get rid of beards? Do a 9-5 job? Place women on the pedestal? Watch romance movies and listen to annoying pop music? Really you think these things dont affect your masculinity?
I have read studies that show that it is emotionally traumatizing and that they find higher levels of aggression in babies that were circumcised.
Personally I am not circumcised and glad. I have heard that as the nerves are constantly exposed to air they become less sensitive, and some are removed in the removal of the foreskin. When I am erect you can’t even tell that I’m not clipped. As long as you shower and take care of yourself it’s not gross and there’s no real reason to do it other than religious or cosmetic bs.
@danfontaine, why? What are you going to do if he does? Spew more hatred and hurtful words? It’s silly and has no positive effect on anything. Cool off.
This is the internet, he can say anything he wants and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The only way to win is to be bigger than all that garbage, and not let it effect you.
Honestly I’m unsure if the reasoning behind it is truly about damaging male sexuality, though society does a good job of that in other ways. I think it has more to do with a tradition started in religion that we have rolled around in myth and misunderstanding. I absolutely agree that it is fucked up and pointless though. Just like leg shaving and women. Seriously. Why are women looked at as disgusting and weird if they decide they don’t want to shave their legs? Its fucking hair. Everyone grows it. *Scarrrrry*
I am not circumcised myself but I have plenty of friends who are and none of them really miss the extra skin, mainly because the don’t remember having it at all. It’s done for traditional/religious purposes and it really doesn’t traumatize people to my knowledge. No harm no foul.
Female circumcision on the other hand is completely fucked up and demeaning. To those of you who don’t know what it is it’s basically when the cut off a girl’s clitoris. It’s a shame that it has to be a thing.
@cognizantelephant, Um I just wanted to mention- female circumcision is totally different because it is done as a form of punishment and subjugation in addition to being dangerous. They no longer get to enjoy sex on a certain levels because they slice off the clitoris and sew the labia shut over the tissue, which is pretty fucked up and horrible. I really thought that needed to be brought up. A circumcised man can still enjoy sex and it’s a safe procedure. Having said that, I don’t get why it’s so common outside of being tradition?? If I ever have a son I don’t think I would have him circumcised…
Most circumcisions performed today have their roots in the Jewish practice. What “conspiracy?” I’ve witnessed several during my clinical rotations. There are some benefits to circumcision, such as decreased transmission of STIs, but that can be achieved through condom use. Over the years it just became widely accepted in certain societies. They aren’t necessary, and if I ever have a son I wouldn’t choose such a procedure for him. I don’t want children though.
As for female circumcision, many females’ survival in the past depended on how marriageable they were, and in certain areas they would not be without the procedure. There are different variations of the procedure, but a clitoridectomy was thought to reduce their libido (many women can only orgasm through clitoral stimulation). I disagree with both male and female circumcision, but I also feel that female circumcision generally has more repercussions for an individual when considering physiological effects and social forces perpetuating it.
Again, I have issues with both, but in the hospital I must stay professional and honor parents’ wishes.
@danfontaine, You played the game and lost. Go google Freud or some shit.
@bobbylloydxd, Honestly, I think twat is a funny insult kinda sounding less harsh, to me at least than some other 4 letter words. You acknowledging your wrongness is fine with me, that’s all I was trying to accomplish. Skeptical is as it does, thanks for coming back to the topic/
No freaking idea. It’s a fact that most of the circumcised men didn’t have a choice. In some cases it comes down to what women prefer? I wonder why would anyone even give a shit though. I don’t think it damages sexuality but I wonder if it makes the genitalia less sensitive.