Has anyone ever heard of this?
I remember watching ‘Reefer Madness’ when I was a teen and laughing my ass off at how ridiculous it was. Granted, I was high when I first watched it, but I’ve watched it plenty of times sober and it’s still just as ridiculous.
But I was presented with the connection of Marijuana and Schizophrenia by my Fiancee, and since I’m an average smoker (1/4-1/2 of mids-krip per month), she showed great concern for me considering my father showed signs of being schizophrenic prior to taking his life when I was younger.
Apparently, Marijuana use has been linked, according to some of the following articles, to early onset psychosis.
I was hoping to get some insights and perspectives from different groups, medical buffs, marijuana buffs, psychology/psychiatry buffs, and even the average joe who may frequent this site. If you don’t know enough about it, I’ve provided some links below
I have my opinions on the topic, but what do all you HEthens think?
Not too sure my friend.
I had an old friend who told me to quit because she thought I was developing schizophrenia, but I didn’t think I was.
I did notice I was changing, but I figured it was just life.
I’m not an expert in any field, but from my personal experiences, I don’t think there is any relation.
Now, with some other psychoactive substances, the case may differ, but it all varies from person to person.
@aidenblair, I used to smoke a lot and I felt like whenever I was high that everyone was like sad around me and i always asked them what was wrong and I felt like I was going crazy when I was high lol like I thought I was going to die, and I thought about the weirdist stuff, so then I just didn’t like to smoke anymore. And i did recently and I just felt like everyone was staring at me , it felt weird and I just didn’t liike it at all, so it may be possible i duno
@aidenblair The only thing i would link it to is paranoia. First off stop smoking mids seriously. From my personal experience and a good friend of mines it is bad for you. Mids makes you stupid, tired, paranoid and just isnt good for you. Its marijuana that hasnt matured, may have mold or fungus in it and all kinds of bad shit. When people get high thoughts will start racing through their head and sometimes you may really over think stuff. Quieting your mind through meditation or just realization that you’re letting your mind wander will be a way to deal with paranoia. A quote I heard that I like to remind myself of is, “Do the drug, dont let the drug do you.” Now marijuana sure isnt for everyone just like alcohol isnt for everyone. Maybe weed isnt for you, but i think its all mental and if you can learn how to focus your mind, thoughts and perceptions of yourself and the world around you, you will be able to handle being high better. Part of the paranoia is from judgement, maybe you are afraid people are judging you because you smoke or your high whatever but you just need to come to peace with smoking and realize its illegal because of propaganda and it can help, its helps millions in many ways. If it werent so frowned upon maybe people wouldn’t be so paranoid. So make peace with yourself and in your head and dont believe everything you read and hear. Most likely you’re no different high or sober except for the fact you think more and about new things and deeper, thats one great thing about weed, it can help expand your mind and thats a great thing. I hope you find this helpful, let me know what you end up deciding. “Its the healing of the nation”
@aidenblair , Dr. Tim Leary once said, “psychedelics cause episodes of psychosis in those who have never taken them.” and I believe this applies to this situation. Psychologists and Neurophysiologists have failed to fully grasp the social and neurological implications of what these drugs, such as THC, does to you. Sure we can say it releases certain chemicals here and inhibits chemicals in this part of the brain, but those chemicals create something we can not measure; imagination and consciousness. My whole point to this is there is no way to be certain what THC truely does because we can not fully measure with certainty. This drugs cause a questioning of authority, change in social behavior, and boundary disillusion. Whether you believe that to be harmful or not is based in your own perspective.
If you can not even fully described what Schizophrenia is, then how can you honestly link something to causing it?
no one knows which causes which –
if schizophrenics are more likely to smoke
smoking is likely to cause schizophrenia
there has been no way to confirm either way and both seem probable, and it probably is a little bit of both. To me smoking is quite intense on the brain, especially when you have one of those “bad highs” that seems uncomfortable – once you have one of those you should stop immediately, as its a slippery slope from there on out.
@alexxxwakeup, i agree, its all in the mind. its the same when you think about all the anti depressant drugs and that shit out there. you can go to any hospital in the world and see people loaded with prescription drugs that are numb to the world around them or find someone that seems schizo or crazy or whatever, its all about perspective to me. my dad tried to tell me im going crazy because i believe in things outside of Christianity and things outside hardcore republican views so take everything with a grain of salt. this is coming from a frequent smoker and someone who has seen the good and bad it can do. your state of mind contributes to how you react no matter the substance or lack there of.
I never said that I personally was having psychosis or anything of the like, nor do I have any trouble dealing with weed-paranoia, but I thank you for the advice, as I’m sure it might help someone else who may come across this thread. Yes, I agree that mids are crap, but they also might just be a weak strain that doesn’t carry as much potency as something like say a true sativa(which really prefer).
A lot of people get paranoid when smoking weed, this is true, but some people are affected by it to a higher(no pun intended) degree than others.
The links I posted aren’t just some opinionated bloggers ramblings about his brothers mothers cousins uncles psychotic episode after smoking weed, but are in fact credible(mostly) medical, psychological, and literary sources, such as the APA website (American Psychological Association), Psychiatric Times, Time Magazine, WebMD, and I even present the ONLY debunking I could find of this theoretical connection, at the very end.
I don’t believe everything I read, I trust my instincts and my cognitive reasoning before I trust what you or anyone else in this world has to say, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to explore unfamiliar ideas.
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” -Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta a.k.a. Buddha
@reinvented2012, I come from quite the similiar background and when I started to question the beliefs I grew up being told, I was made to feel off or that something was wrong with me by my parents and others. But then I realized that there is so much more out in this world and change brings upon fear in those who remain stagnent in their perspective of the world. The problem is not your mind, but our culture and environment. Your mind just processes the information it is given, it is up to you to feed it wisely. If you fill your head with negativity, then by god when you change your state of consciousness it will just amplify this ten folds! But if you are filled with love, nothing can do anything more than enhance that. I firmly believe it is your perspective. After all, think about it like this. In our culture, if you hear voices and see things that aren’t there, you get locked up in a maximum secuirty mental instituation to protect the world from you like a criminal. But in the amazon if you hear voices, you are celebrated for your ability to see beyond this reality.
All about perspective.
@alexxxwakeup, “If you can not even fully described what Schizophrenia is, then how can you honestly link something to causing it?”
Precisely, we only have a minimal understanding of what schizophrenia is, and even that is only based on outside observation, as those who are truly in the thoroughs of it cannot convey what exactly is going on in their head.
You’re right, either smoking is likely to cause schizophrenia, or schizophrenics are more likely to smoke pot, as it probably depends on the person, and one of the articles briefly points out this conundrum. But do you think that smoking weed would exacerbate the psychosis already present in a schizophrenic?
@alexxxwakeup, i agree totally. he thinks that me being open minded, caring about nature and supporting Gary Johnson makes me crazy, and by no means do i accredit anything he says, he is just upset to know i smoke lol. He was praising me just last week for asking questions about politics and stuff since i never cared before i started becoming enlightened or awakened to the problems in the world and within our own country. its a new world and hey, our parents and elders have had their views instilled in them and after 50, 60, 70 years of the same shit they condemn and demonize anyone that thinks differently. keep searching and don’t let anyone tell you there is something wrong with that.
Thank you for you’re perspective.
Have you tried what ‘Hutch’ @reinvented2012, suggested? A controlling of the drug, not letting the drug control you? I’ve even heard that breathing exercises can help with paranoia and warped perspectives, more specifically the same breathing techniques they teach in lamaze classes. Pretty much what it does is force more oxygen to your brain so you have more conscious cognitive ability. Just a thought in case you ever want to give the ‘green god’ another chance :)
I read an article awhile ago that said, marijuana may cause mental problems to people who already have the genetics to cause it in there future life. So if your young and smoking weed, and someone in your family has skitzo you have a higher chance in developing the symptoms that you would orginallly get when your older… so marijuana may actual detect the problem wayyy earlier in life before in becomes a big problem in the future .. in other cases it is said that marijuana may reduce mental problem such as Schizophrenia…so it can either cause the mental problem that the person already has… or reduce the risk of mental problems. Marijuana usually shows you the truth if your mind state, be aware of that… meditate niggas
I may not be 100% accurate with this since it’s been awhile since I’ve read about it, but I think I remember reading that schizophrenics have a higher level of dopamine than people without the disease. When the THC enters their brain, it raises the levels of the dopamine and alters their thinking more than a normal person’s.
As for the link between it, there is evidence that shows that it can catalyze the psychosis of schizophrenia, or just make the symptoms impairing.
@aidenblair, marijuana just gives you an unbiased view of things, it is part of the experience. However, just remember, if you think it is bothering you, or causing problems, its not that big of a deal to stop for a while and see how things play out. Play it by ear and do what you think is right for you, it’s just like any other “drug” (i put in in quotations because i do not consider it to be a drug.) it effects everyone differently.
All i know is that weed is better than say speed or other things. my son smokes lots and he has schizophrenia but he also used heavy amounts of ecstasy so which one is causing the problems is hard to tell. i do know that after 20 years of not smoking i tried it again for my injured back and it made me extremely paranoid i had to to tell myself that it was all in my head also the pot these days are very much more potent than when i was young 30 years ago. however i have a lot of paranoia because of speed use years ago the weed only made me more aware of this. i think all said weed is better than say alcohol which a lot of people use to self medicate. i think that pot does not cause mental problems it just brings them more to the front and you be come aware of this. anyway just my two cents from a ex user just don,t let it lead to other things
@aidenblair, oh yes absolutely – anything that changes the psyche will be extremely enhanced in schizophrenia or psychosis.
Smoking weed becomes a mushroom trip.
Mushroom trips become life-altering to a much greater degree than someone without schizophrenia/psychosis.
Its a very, very, VERY strange place to be in.
@tigerturban, How the hell do you know that?
@aidenblair,I think it brings out your unconsciousness. Makes things really obvious that you were only peripherally aware of before, or not aware of at all. For a lot of people, it is too much to deal with, potentially leading to psychosis. Paranoid thoughts that seemed like nothing when sober now seem extremely real. A couple people above have said that they feel like everyone is staring at them. Well this is probably true when they are sober as well, it just doesn’t seem like a big deal.
If you are aware enough, moderate use is beneficial I think because it helps you to break down barriers in your mind. If you use it to just feel ‘high’ and to escape for a couple hours while playing video games or something, that could probably lead to psychosis because you aren’t observing your internal state, which is extremely important. Just my two cents.
I believe that smoking opens your mind to a different conciseness. I have smoked and became really insecure with my surroundings and the people I was currently with. I’ve had experiences with psyching myself out to believing I had medical conditions that were phantom and even psychological issues that I felt were arising due to smoking. Aside from the phantom medical issues and my struggle with my perceived psychological issues I realized was just a part of my brain functioning differently from being intoxicated. I embraced it and started to ask myself why I would feel that specific way in that specific situation and it worked for me. And it worked for me, marijuana has given me a conscious self respect, wealth respect, health respect, and more importantly a psychological perspective in viewing psychosis as a realization that one must not compare their “behind the scenes” to others “highlight reals”.