Marijuana linked to Schizophrenia
Has anyone ever heard of this?
I remember watching ‘Reefer Madness’ when I was a teen and laughing my ass off at how ridiculous it was. Granted, I was high when I first watched it, but I’ve watched it plenty of times sober and it’s still just as ridiculous.
But I was presented with the connection of Marijuana and Schizophrenia by my Fiancee, and since I’m an average smoker (1/4-1/2 of mids-krip per month), she showed great concern for me considering my father showed signs of being schizophrenic prior to taking his life when I was younger.
Apparently, Marijuana use has been linked, according to some of the following articles, to early onset psychosis.
I was hoping to get some insights and perspectives from different groups, medical buffs, marijuana buffs, psychology/psychiatry buffs, and even the average joe who may frequent this site. If you don’t know enough about it, I’ve provided some links below
I have my opinions on the topic, but what do all you HEthens think?
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@aidenblair, I used to smoke a lot and I felt like whenever I was high that everyone was like sad around me and i always asked them what was wrong and I felt like I was going crazy when I was high lol like I thought I was going to die, and I thought about the weirdist stuff, so then I just didn’t like to smoke anymore. And i did recently and I just felt like everyone was staring at me , it felt weird and I just didn’t liike it at all, so it may be possible i duno
You can access all of my videos on my YouTube channel, bipolarORwakingUP.
Here’s a link to a popular video on mine on hallucinations:
Also, to help you clarify your research, here’s a few points to consider:
1. While drugs are a trigger, they usually are part of a bigger series of traumas and triggers which all work together to cause a psychotic break. So, for example, its common for people with very diffcult family situations to resort to using marijuana as a coping strategy. So, in truth, for some people, the psychotic break is caused by both the family difficulties and the marijuana. The scenario surrounding a person’s mental disorder is usually quite complex and multi-faceted, but can be understood.
2. While it is generall accepted that people with mental disorders tend to be more emotionally sensitive and often creative by nature, no clear link to any genetic malfunction has every been found. The theory of `chemical imbalance` related to people having too much (or too little) seratonin or dopamine (or whatever) is a complete myth still promoted by the pharmaceutical industry. There are no biological or genetic tests to prove anyone has a mental illness listed in the DSM.
3. Much is made about the confusion related to misdiagnosis, but in truth, all of these labels you just mentioned are just that – labels helping doctors to categorize a certain group of symptoms, and that categorization changes over time. For example, 20 years ago, most people with an `acute psychosis` ( ie: a serious break with reality often involving profound spiritual experiences as well as delusions, paranoia and even hallucinations.) would be labeled as having schizophrenia. Today, most people with acute psychosis are labeled with Bipolar 1. Bipolar 2 is reserved for people with the more classic `manic-depression` or hypomania. FYI, Bipolar 3 is for psychosis which is directly caused by marijuana or other mind altering substances, and Bipolar 4 is psychosis caused by coming off anti-depressants too quickly. So yes, psychiatric medications can cause psychosis (ie schizoprenia) as well! (as can extended meditation!). So its a complex subject. I hope my videos can help you sort things out!
4. Even thought they can be frightening and are almost always powerful, these non-ordinary experiences can be very transformative, even leading to spiritual breakthroughs. That’s what happened to me, and that’s why I do this work online. So a `psychotic` break may not be the end of the world. In fact, it may be a whole new beginning!
@ijesuschrist, fuck off i dont have to agree with you, on any points. My main beef, however, is that you might be turning off the peeps who are considering trying out this great boon to society, to Man! with your fucking shite…*wap* you also dismiss my posts and then deviously try to portray my love of truth as a character flaw, an old trick!
@ijesuschrist, “but most people who are happily toking along, and smoking makes them comfortable can lose that feeling entirely – suddenly, it seems and the experience becomes very uncomfortable.” a ‘negative buzz’ is hardly a descent into madness; this is a phenomenon that diminishes over time as a person matures and learns too deal more effectively with everyday stressors :P
The articles are right, although cannabis does not only trigger schizophrenia. It can also trigger psychosis associated with other disorders such as Bipolar. The reason is the many generations we have now been growing cannabis and modifying it. Cannabis has two mind-alerting chemicals, one whose name I cannot remember at the moment and the other being the well known chemical THC. THC is the hallucinogenic chemical in cannabis while the other chemical is responsible for the anti-anxiety effect. Through selecting strains that have a higher THC content and a lower content of the other chemical we have begun to produce cannabis that is vastly different from the cannabis we were growing in the 60′s and 70′s. Older people will firmly confirm this when asked on a empirical level. Now cannabis is much more hallucinogenic, while much more likely to make you paranoid and/or anxious. This combination of factors (i.e. it being highly hallucinogenic without any anxiety calming element) has lead to it starting to trigger episodes of psychosis to those who are predisposed to it.
@aidenblair The only thing i would link it to is paranoia. First off stop smoking mids seriously. From my personal experience and a good friend of mines it is bad for you. Mids makes you stupid, tired, paranoid and just isnt good for you. Its marijuana that hasnt matured, may have mold or fungus in it and all kinds of bad shit. When people get high thoughts will start racing through their head and sometimes you may really over think stuff. Quieting your mind through meditation or just realization that you’re letting your mind wander will be a way to deal with paranoia. A quote I heard that I like to remind myself of is, “Do the drug, dont let the drug do you.” Now marijuana sure isnt for everyone just like alcohol isnt for everyone. Maybe weed isnt for you, but i think its all mental and if you can learn how to focus your mind, thoughts and perceptions of yourself and the world around you, you will be able to handle being high better. Part of the paranoia is from judgement, maybe you are afraid people are judging you because you smoke or your high whatever but you just need to come to peace with smoking and realize its illegal because of propaganda and it can help, its helps millions in many ways. If it werent so frowned upon maybe people wouldn’t be so paranoid. So make peace with yourself and in your head and dont believe everything you read and hear. Most likely you’re no different high or sober except for the fact you think more and about new things and deeper, thats one great thing about weed, it can help expand your mind and thats a great thing. I hope you find this helpful, let me know what you end up deciding. “Its the healing of the nation”
I’ve had good friends of mine have severe psychotic breaks from reality, all of whom do a fair amount of drugs and smoke weed everyday. I have no doubt that they’re linked, it makes sense to me. Whether or not you’re predisposed is a big factor I believe, and your own mental stability…as well as to what extent you use the drugs.
@trek79, It is a well studied phenomenon that people who smoke weed are much more likely to develop schizophrenia… to claim that you know for a fact that weed doesn’t cause schizophrenia is disregarding all the research being done on the subject, and it may turn out that it does, in fact, stimulate or exacerbate schizophrenia.
There is a definite correlation, but nobody knows that causation.
A good term to remember is;
“Umbrellas are correlated with rain, but umbrellas do not cause rain.”
Again – they DO know there is a correlation between schizophrenia and people who smoke weed. They do NOT know which is the causation of the other. This is heavily debated in the research field with no conclusion in the near future to be seen. Please respect the people doing the research on this, and don’t claim to know for a fact either way.
@tigerturban, A character flaw is something like what your presenting here… “using fuck off” and calling me a “fucking geek” is enough for me to realize that.
So I should rather not report the correlation, and hide that? You would rather dismiss all (possible) negative effects of the thing, in face of only the positive?
That isn’t very intelligent.
@aidenblair, i did a lot of research on schizophrenia a year or so ago and i realized modern psychology has a few different types of schizophrenia and in those types (or often times combination of types) there is a high/ low functioning system. the low functioning schizophrenic looses hygiene upkeep, worries less of social situations, and keeps less control of his emotions varying or intensity. i thought of all of these attributes, trying to ignore the label of schizophrenic, and i thought people who did that shit sounded pretty lazy. a different article i read said that there was thought to be a chemical imbalance in the brain that signified schizophrenia, but, too many “non schizophrenic” people also had this in their brains, showing us that we can’t tell if someone is schizophrenic with any physical differences. in my own experience, schizophrenia is an opening of one’s sub conscious and inner truth. it is a gift, but like all of life’s gifts it’s never unearned. it can be very hard to have contrasting opinions of large concepts in the form of voices in your head while you’re trying to mature as an adult (most schizophrenia occurs during the teen/young adult phase and likes to worsen with age). people have said i have adhd they’ve said i have schizophrenia i try not to pay attention to it but that’s just ignorance so learning more about it i reassured myself that i was high functioning. beyond that, i’m not a fucking sheep and i open my heart and mind to a self-made religious science i build on every day with others’ ideas and opinions. we’re all connected to what schizophrenics are connected to, if you fear you are schizophrenic understand this doesn’t have to mean anything. what matters is how active/lazy you are and for what purpose.
@aidenblair , Dr. Tim Leary once said, “psychedelics cause episodes of psychosis in those who have never taken them.” and I believe this applies to this situation. Psychologists and Neurophysiologists have failed to fully grasp the social and neurological implications of what these drugs, such as THC, does to you. Sure we can say it releases certain chemicals here and inhibits chemicals in this part of the brain, but those chemicals create something we can not measure; imagination and consciousness. My whole point to this is there is no way to be certain what THC truely does because we can not fully measure with certainty. This drugs cause a questioning of authority, change in social behavior, and boundary disillusion. Whether you believe that to be harmful or not is based in your own perspective.
If you can not even fully described what Schizophrenia is, then how can you honestly link something to causing it?
I think that marijuana don’t cause any mental disease but if you are mentally predisposed to any of them it can help the disease to develop. And that disease maybe never appeard if you never smoke.
When I was 17 I was smoking sometimes and because of that one day when being high I developed derealisation symptomes and it really suck I felt really bad for a long time.
@mikeyw829, I totally agree with you! If I could only describe the level of awareness that I have experienced on White Russian. I’m able to feel all the elements that surround me; the wind, the leaves, the ceiling fan; even the faint sound of my laptop beneath my floating fingers… It is amazing!
I read an article awhile ago that said, marijuana may cause mental problems to people who already have the genetics to cause it in there future life. So if your young and smoking weed, and someone in your family has skitzo you have a higher chance in developing the symptoms that you would orginallly get when your older… so marijuana may actual detect the problem wayyy earlier in life before in becomes a big problem in the future .. in other cases it is said that marijuana may reduce mental problem such as Schizophrenia…so it can either cause the mental problem that the person already has… or reduce the risk of mental problems. Marijuana usually shows you the truth if your mind state, be aware of that… meditate niggas
@ijesuschrist, I’m sure anyone could find other “studies” that contraindicate that one as well. The amount of evidence that support Cannibis’ ability to help patients with anxiety and stress related disorders is gigantic.
Reporting a possible correlation defines one thing, understanding the connection defines another… though their may be a correlation, I believe it has more to do with, 1.) someone susceptible shifting their reality even-further-out with weed, or 2.) someone susceptible acting stereotypical and committing substance abuse.
In both cases the weed acts a conduit, not the source.
What is it you believe?
I’m not gonna go back through the convos you’ve had, as you pointed out, there’s been a lot of counterproductive language used, Instead, I’d like to ask this question fresh, from a non-combative standpoint and from the context I provided.
@tigerturban, and now you know me. Marijuana can certainly exacerbate psychosis, even if symptoms are not present in sobriety.
Its an incredibly strong entheogen, but daily or habitual use tends to decrease those types of effects. However, most people eventually encounter the negative trip, and its not a pleasant thing to deal with.
And I smoked a lot for years. Only at the end I couldn’t bear it any more and quit entirely. The 4-5 times I let myself smoke a little bit after that was pretty unpleasant so I just don’t. I have no trouble believing that for someone prone to mental illness, psychedelics may very be triggers. However pleasant being high all the time was for a while. It’s a lot more work to be high spirited and manage stress with natural techniques like physical exercise, healthy food, mediation and breathing but so much more rewarding in the long run.