Marijuana linked to Schizophrenia
@aidenblair, part of the problem as i see it mainstream society’s bias towards recreational narcotics (ie UNTAXED narcotics) Hell it’s even being touted as a cure for cancer for pete’s sake!
This study is done later and finds the exact opposite (not willing to look into methodologies):
Cannabis abuse and particularly heavy abuse can be considered a stressor eliciting relapse in patients with schizophrenia and related disorders and possibly a premorbid precipitant.
Study done this year:
In a representative cohort of 145 male patients with schizophrenia, 68 (46.9%) used cannabis. Mean age at onset of schizophrenia in cannabis using patients was significantly lower than in non-cannabis using patients. No other cross-sectional demographic or clinical differences were observed between users and non-users. In a series of longitudinal analyses, cannabis use was not associated with differences in psychopathology, but relapse in terms of the number of hospitalizations was significantly higher in cannabis using patients compared to non-cannabis using patients.Patients with schizophrenia using cannabis are more frequently hospitalized than non-cannabis using patients but do not differ with respect to psychopathology. Possible explanations for these findings are discussed.
Cannabis users demonstrated better cognition at psychosis onset, which was explained by higher premorbid IQ. They also showed better social function and neither measure changed over the subsequent 15 months. Cannabis users had an earlier age at onset of psychosis, and there was a strong linear relationship between age at first cannabis use and age at onset of both prodromal and psychotic symptoms. Cannabis use spontaneously declined over time with 3-quarters of users giving up altogether. Later age at first cannabis use predicted earlier cessation of use and this in turn was linked to fewer positive psychotic symptoms and days in hospital during the first 2 years.
yeah i can see if you smoke 50 joints a day that’s not a good thing but c’mon! a guy’ll go nuts if he drink a 40 oz of vodka everday too! MODERATION is they key
“.Patients with schizophrenia using cannabis are more frequently hospitalized than non-cannabis using patients but do ” ***NEWSFLASH***
@tigerturban, lol… yeah. propaganda. you’re not… paranoid are you?
Listen, I’m being honest. I’m giving you what is known. The correlation between schizophrenia and marijuana is well established. Its not a fucking myth, its not a conspiracy, its not propaganda. If you believe it so, then you’re limiting yourself and putting this plant on a high pedestal.
So you admit there may be a correlation lulz.
You can hide away from the fact all you want – I don’t know why you WOULD, but its your choice.
@irea, I’mm very inclined to agree that it is purely a subjective thing – but most people who are happily toking along, and smoking makes them comfortable can lose that feeling entirely – suddenly, it seems and the experience becomes very uncomfortable.
I highly doubt that people, generally quite happy and relaxed while smoking would suddenly decide to go into the experience saying “This is the one! This is the one where I go nuts!”
@ijesuschrist, I also said if you drink a 40 oz of vodka you’ll probably go crazy as well as quoted the study…:
““.Patients with schizophrenia using cannabis are more frequently hospitalized than non-cannabis using patients do ” ***NEWSFLASH*** haha!
Let’s not forget that doctor’s prescribe “The Green Queen” for anxiety and stress-related disorders every damn day (not to mention a variety of physical ailments such as arthritis, chemo patients etc., I’m just trying to describe the picture more completely here, young’un.
@ijesuschrist, “but most people who are happily toking along, and smoking makes them comfortable can lose that feeling entirely – suddenly, it seems and the experience becomes very uncomfortable.” a ‘negative buzz’ is hardly a descent into madness; this is a phenomenon that diminishes over time as a person matures and learns too deal more effectively with everyday stressors :P
I quit smoking pot because it would give me anxiety crisis and paranoia. I also makes my mind very sluggish and a few puffs will make me feel down and depressed for 2-3 days.
And I smoked a lot for years. Only at the end I couldn’t bear it any more and quit entirely. The 4-5 times I let myself smoke a little bit after that was pretty unpleasant so I just don’t. I have no trouble believing that for someone prone to mental illness, psychedelics may very be triggers. However pleasant being high all the time was for a while. It’s a lot more work to be high spirited and manage stress with natural techniques like physical exercise, healthy food, mediation and breathing but so much more rewarding in the long run.
And how can you detect those latent psychosis in someone to determine is they should or should not take drugs anyway? My best friends brother used to smoke a lot of pot with us back in the day. His schizophrenia slowly creeped up on him. Now he’s locked up in the hospital and not going anywhere because he’s too dangerous. What if that could have been avoided?
I would be more convinced with actual research articles from journals than just popular press publications. The popular press has a tendency to over-exaggerate trends.
My assumption is that if a correlation between Marijuana and Schizophrenia existed it wouldn’t be at the users conscious control. Schizophrenia is probably a poly-genetic threshold disorder. So it’s genes of the individual and the environmental factors that can lead to expression.
If a chemical in Marijuana was a mutagen that effected certain genes that controlled expression of Schizophrenia, and since Marijuana has a large amount of mutagens, then I would believe it.
@tigerturban, “doctor’s prescribe the green queen…” Yes, they also prescribe anti-depressants, carcinogens, things linked to birth defects, what is your point here?
Dude why are you taking this tone that somehow I’m a pussy and just can’t “handle” my weed? The fuck is wrong with you? I smoke marijuana, I’ve done mushrooms, I’ve done ayahuasca, I’ve done DMT, I’ve done salvia, I’ve done LSD, and marijuana still ranks as one of the strongest experiences I can have. If you don’t believe me, so be it, but don’t try to diminish me as a person for it, the fuck dude, seriously.
To me, it seems you need the maturing, here, not I.
@fijj, I posted plenty of actuual research journals in this thread, take a look.
@ijesuschrist, i’ve done all that shit too and to me it’s still “just weed” to me, dude
*grabs you in a headlock and shoves a doob in your mouth* Toke it, you little bitchass TOOOKE IIITT!!” lol
I believe it can cause a schizophrenic break in people already susceptible to it, but I dont think it can cause the problem out of the blue. Dont take that with too much worth though, I’m just some random guy on the internet.
@tigerturban, wow yeah, you sure are a mature one.
Btw, science is contradictory. So when you say “PROPAGHANDA” I don’t think their trying to say weed is bad, their just trying to find out whats really true. And sometimes their studies can produce difference results.
@alltoohuman, yeah it does.
what a crazy world.
I’ve had good friends of mine have severe psychotic breaks from reality, all of whom do a fair amount of drugs and smoke weed everyday. I have no doubt that they’re linked, it makes sense to me. Whether or not you’re predisposed is a big factor I believe, and your own mental stability…as well as to what extent you use the drugs.
@ijesuschrist, the majority of live human beings on this planet who smoke marijuana would laugh when you compare weed with other power hallucinogens and narcotics and rightly so…!
@tigerturban, Have you met the majority of the people on this planet?
I’m not surprised they would laugh at someone else for differences. You seem so enlightened.
You’re defending marijuana likes its your child or something.
Nope, I assumed you wanted various perspectives and logic possibilities, so instead of arguing the science, I argued the logic of the correlation, not because I assumed you hadn’t done your research, but because the logic itself seemed shaky
IF it were true someone would have to tell me why schizophrenia rates don’t vary from countries with less cannabis use to those with more, or why it has fallen in the UK despite more cannabis use or why the main source of evidence for this is linked to a questionable Swedish study.
But mainly empiricism trumps all as always, if Schizophrenia were linked to Cannabis use the explosion of cannabis use would mean an increase in Schizophrenia, there is no correlation.
@ijesuschrist, @aidenblair, Yes, I have experienced this, I have had marijuana schitzophrenia and I have been in treatment with people who have regular schitzophrenia unrelated to marijuana use, there is a huge difference yet remarkable similarities. The people claiming schitzophrenia and marijuana shcitzophrenia may be looking at brain scans but they are weak on actually talking to sufferers. They would not place the two illnesses as the same thing otherwise.
Just sayn, a person with schitzophrenia is as noticable as someone with down syndrome, someone with marijuana schitzophrenia is clearly ill but not blatently obvious, more like bi-polar.
@chemicalspike, I just found like 6 papers in the literature that show that it is easily correlated with schizophrenia… did you do any actual searching?\
@trek79, A friend of mine has schizophrenia and you’d never know unless you asked.
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