Has anyone ever heard of this?
I remember watching ‘Reefer Madness’ when I was a teen and laughing my ass off at how ridiculous it was. Granted, I was high when I first watched it, but I’ve watched it plenty of times sober and it’s still just as ridiculous.
But I was presented with the connection of Marijuana and Schizophrenia by my Fiancee, and since I’m an average smoker (1/4-1/2 of mids-krip per month), she showed great concern for me considering my father showed signs of being schizophrenic prior to taking his life when I was younger.
Apparently, Marijuana use has been linked, according to some of the following articles, to early onset psychosis.
I was hoping to get some insights and perspectives from different groups, medical buffs, marijuana buffs, psychology/psychiatry buffs, and even the average joe who may frequent this site. If you don’t know enough about it, I’ve provided some links below
I have my opinions on the topic, but what do all you HEthens think?
@tigerturban, What, exactly are you calling bullshit man? Can you even point out what you disagree with? Are you saying that my ability to find these research articles is bullshit, or are you claiming the correlation bullshit? Do you know what a correlation is? Will you answer these questions, or will you resort to some kind of personal attack, again?
What exactly are you trying to prove?
What, exactly, is your disagreement?
Do you even know or are you just pissed off that marijuana is correlated with something negative?
@ijesuschrist, fuck off i dont have to agree with you, on any points. My main beef, however, is that you might be turning off the peeps who are considering trying out this great boon to society, to Man! with your fucking shite…*wap* you also dismiss my posts and then deviously try to portray my love of truth as a character flaw, an old trick!
@tigerturban, A character flaw is something like what your presenting here… “using fuck off” and calling me a “fucking geek” is enough for me to realize that.
So I should rather not report the correlation, and hide that? You would rather dismiss all (possible) negative effects of the thing, in face of only the positive?
That isn’t very intelligent.
Reporting a possible correlation defines one thing, understanding the connection defines another… though their may be a correlation, I believe it has more to do with, 1.) someone susceptible shifting their reality even-further-out with weed, or 2.) someone susceptible acting stereotypical and committing substance abuse.
In both cases the weed acts a conduit, not the source.
What is it you believe?
I’m not gonna go back through the convos you’ve had, as you pointed out, there’s been a lot of counterproductive language used, Instead, I’d like to ask this question fresh, from a non-combative standpoint and from the context I provided.
@tine, I don’t know. I know there is a correlation, and as people who tend to have psychotic breaks tend to explain it on the internet – I’ve ready plenty of them over the past 5 years. Nearly all of them stemmed only from smoking weed.
I think marijuana has the ability to cause schizophrenia in people who would otherwise not develop it. That being said, I don’t think its the sole source. Nor is it always necessary (obviously) to cause it.
@tigerturban, I will be the bigger man and stop talking to you. But it is spelled cannibis*
“Nearly all of them stemmed only from smoking weed.”
Was it the weed that led to the break, or was it the circumstances of their reality, combined with the demotivating/slowing effects of weed, that led to it?
I say this because of a generalization I have observed, I find the frequent use of weed is correlated to emotional damage, as the individual has a conscious/subconscious need to leave the reality they are in for a better one.
So, in what you read, did they describe the circumstances surrounding their reality?
@aidenblair, I´ve been doing research on the links between bipolar disorder (specifically bipolar 1) and spiritual experiences over the past 5 years. It´s lead me to the creation of over 40 YouTube videos on the subject, so I have a lot of people write me. I´ve had quite personal e-mail contact with over 1000 people with bipolar disorder, schizoaffective and schizophrenia. In that time, I’ve been shocked at the incredibly high percentage of people who could see a connection between their marijuana use and their first ‘acute psychosis’ – the condition which gets labled as bipolar 1 or schizophrenia in most cases. I would estimate that over 70 percent of the people that have contacted me were either smoking weed or using an ethnogen in the days prior to their break. Of people under 25, I think that percentage would be closer to 85%. So, while some research from pscyhiatry cannot be trusted, I think the research you´ve found linking marijuana to psychosis is correct. It´s a huge issue, and one that, frankly, most people on the Internet shy away from. Brave of you to bring it up!
@tine, I don’t know, but generally they become hyper-paranoid, they think they have become “poisoned” or something, that the batch was laced, they become ultra-aware and nervous. An overall negative feeling prevails…
Then it lasts for days, a month… sometimes they are changed, radically, from there on out… I think that weed can allow it to happen, probably, as you said – given life circumstances. I think its a very complicated issue, but that marijuana can play a role, somehow, just as the other entheogens in psychotic breaks.
For the most part, however, I think these psychotic breaks aren’t some kind of illness, I think they are extreme stress, and given the nature of weed – one simply doesn’t expect it to happen. It can be extremely confronting to “wake up” on weed – 1) you are high 2) you are not expecting it and 3) many people don’t understand what’s really going on.
This would be correlation not some bullshit studies with inadequate control groups…
We’ve seen an explosion in cannabis use in the uk over the last 50 years, have we seen a corresponding explosion in schizophrenia.
Does anyone want offer dispute with that request for correlation or just offer more condescension.
The articles are right, although cannabis does not only trigger schizophrenia. It can also trigger psychosis associated with other disorders such as Bipolar. The reason is the many generations we have now been growing cannabis and modifying it. Cannabis has two mind-alerting chemicals, one whose name I cannot remember at the moment and the other being the well known chemical THC. THC is the hallucinogenic chemical in cannabis while the other chemical is responsible for the anti-anxiety effect. Through selecting strains that have a higher THC content and a lower content of the other chemical we have begun to produce cannabis that is vastly different from the cannabis we were growing in the 60’s and 70’s. Older people will firmly confirm this when asked on a empirical level. Now cannabis is much more hallucinogenic, while much more likely to make you paranoid and/or anxious. This combination of factors (i.e. it being highly hallucinogenic without any anxiety calming element) has lead to it starting to trigger episodes of psychosis to those who are predisposed to it.
@aidenblair, i did a lot of research on schizophrenia a year or so ago and i realized modern psychology has a few different types of schizophrenia and in those types (or often times combination of types) there is a high/ low functioning system. the low functioning schizophrenic looses hygiene upkeep, worries less of social situations, and keeps less control of his emotions varying or intensity. i thought of all of these attributes, trying to ignore the label of schizophrenic, and i thought people who did that shit sounded pretty lazy. a different article i read said that there was thought to be a chemical imbalance in the brain that signified schizophrenia, but, too many “non schizophrenic” people also had this in their brains, showing us that we can’t tell if someone is schizophrenic with any physical differences. in my own experience, schizophrenia is an opening of one’s sub conscious and inner truth. it is a gift, but like all of life’s gifts it’s never unearned. it can be very hard to have contrasting opinions of large concepts in the form of voices in your head while you’re trying to mature as an adult (most schizophrenia occurs during the teen/young adult phase and likes to worsen with age). people have said i have adhd they’ve said i have schizophrenia i try not to pay attention to it but that’s just ignorance so learning more about it i reassured myself that i was high functioning. beyond that, i’m not a fucking sheep and i open my heart and mind to a self-made religious science i build on every day with others’ ideas and opinions. we’re all connected to what schizophrenics are connected to, if you fear you are schizophrenic understand this doesn’t have to mean anything. what matters is how active/lazy you are and for what purpose.
I have no idea. But from personal experience I have had definite paranoid, schizophrenic like breakdowns while incredibly stoned before. One time I hit a homemade Gravity Bong for the first time and thought the entire world was out to get me. The entire thing was deja vu and I thought I knew what was going to happen. What’s crazy is that I actually predicted a few things. This only made me think I could predict things and then I started to think the cops were out to get me. I ended up flushing my weed in a McDonalds bathroom…
I wouldn’t consider myself “brave” per se, but merely inquisitive. I was presented with my Fiancee’s fear of the correlation a little over a year ago because of it being brought up in one of her classes. And while there is little evidence showing that my ‘bio’ was schizophrenic, there is some suspicion that he was paranoid type, which they thought might have lead him to his eventual suicide. Basically, there is little evidence that I am genetically dispositioned to the disorder, and the research only shows a correlation but not a definitive link.
And while I agree with what you and the research claims about the correlation between drug use and early onset of mental and personality disorders, it pains me to say these are often misdiagnosed or mistakenly interchanged. Seeing that Schizoid, Schizotypal, and Schizoaffective, are all personality-type disorders, whereas Schizophrenia and Bipolar are psychotic disorder, I can see how the similarities might lead to a misdiagnosis.
Could you provide me with a link to the videos? I would like to use them, along with the other case studies I’ve found, to better educate myself on the different circumstances involved in different cases. Thanks :)
@blankey, that sucks about you flushing your weed, I know I’d feel like a complete jackass after sobering up if I did that, but I’ve often been paranoid as shit when smoking the good stuff. That doesn’t necessarily mean its the same as schizophrenia, because, for me, the symptoms don’t last beyond the duration of the drug itself.
“a person with schitzophrenia is as noticable as someone with down syndrome”
Not necessarily true, someone may be ‘Paranoid-type Schizophrenic’ and you’d never know it unless they told you.
“The defining feature of the paranoid subtype (also known as paranoid schizophrenia) is the presence of auditory hallucinations or prominent delusional thoughts about persecution or conspiracy. However, people with this subtype may be more functional in their ability to work and engage in relationships than people with other subtypes of schizophrenia. The reasons are not entirely clear, but may partly reflect that people suffering from this subtype often do not exhibit symptoms until later in life and have achieved a higher level of functioning before the onset of their illness. People with the paranoid subtype may appear to lead fairly normal lives by successful management of their disorder.” (http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/types-of-schizophrenia/all/1/)
I don’t understand how it’s possible that “rs2494732 locus was not associated with an increased risk of a psychotic disorder” when in the following sentence they state that “risk of psychosis was significantly influenced by the rs2494732 locus.” How can the “rs2494732 locus” not be associated and at the same time significantly influence the risk of psychosis, isn’t that contradictory? Or is it a misprint in that they neglected to distinguish between the C/C genotype and the T/T genotype?
@aidenblair, Yep, if you know what reality is it becomes easier to hold onto it when you start to lose it. It totally depends on when it was aquired, if you had it naturally all your life then you will no doubt behave in an obviously disturbed or impared manner, a way clearly recognizable. That is what I mean, if you develop it naturally, or from an unknown cause, early, this is schitzophrenia, but marijuana schitzophrenia it developed by those who have at least known reality well enough to make conscious and objective decisions, they can recognize the reality even though blured by distortions, and so are more equiped to present themselves as a regular person.
You can access all of my videos on my YouTube channel, bipolarORwakingUP.
Here’s a link to a popular video on mine on hallucinations:
Also, to help you clarify your research, here’s a few points to consider:
1. While drugs are a trigger, they usually are part of a bigger series of traumas and triggers which all work together to cause a psychotic break. So, for example, its common for people with very diffcult family situations to resort to using marijuana as a coping strategy. So, in truth, for some people, the psychotic break is caused by both the family difficulties and the marijuana. The scenario surrounding a person’s mental disorder is usually quite complex and multi-faceted, but can be understood.
2. While it is generall accepted that people with mental disorders tend to be more emotionally sensitive and often creative by nature, no clear link to any genetic malfunction has every been found. The theory of `chemical imbalance` related to people having too much (or too little) seratonin or dopamine (or whatever) is a complete myth still promoted by the pharmaceutical industry. There are no biological or genetic tests to prove anyone has a mental illness listed in the DSM.
3. Much is made about the confusion related to misdiagnosis, but in truth, all of these labels you just mentioned are just that – labels helping doctors to categorize a certain group of symptoms, and that categorization changes over time. For example, 20 years ago, most people with an `acute psychosis` ( ie: a serious break with reality often involving profound spiritual experiences as well as delusions, paranoia and even hallucinations.) would be labeled as having schizophrenia. Today, most people with acute psychosis are labeled with Bipolar 1. Bipolar 2 is reserved for people with the more classic `manic-depression` or hypomania. FYI, Bipolar 3 is for psychosis which is directly caused by marijuana or other mind altering substances, and Bipolar 4 is psychosis caused by coming off anti-depressants too quickly. So yes, psychiatric medications can cause psychosis (ie schizoprenia) as well! (as can extended meditation!). So its a complex subject. I hope my videos can help you sort things out!
4. Even thought they can be frightening and are almost always powerful, these non-ordinary experiences can be very transformative, even leading to spiritual breakthroughs. That’s what happened to me, and that’s why I do this work online. So a `psychotic` break may not be the end of the world. In fact, it may be a whole new beginning!
@mikeyw829, I totally agree with you! If I could only describe the level of awareness that I have experienced on White Russian. I’m able to feel all the elements that surround me; the wind, the leaves, the ceiling fan; even the faint sound of my laptop beneath my floating fingers… It is amazing!