Marijuana linked to Schizophrenia
Has anyone ever heard of this?
I remember watching ‘Reefer Madness’ when I was a teen and laughing my ass off at how ridiculous it was. Granted, I was high when I first watched it, but I’ve watched it plenty of times sober and it’s still just as ridiculous.
But I was presented with the connection of Marijuana and Schizophrenia by my Fiancee, and since I’m an average smoker (1/4-1/2 of mids-krip per month), she showed great concern for me considering my father showed signs of being schizophrenic prior to taking his life when I was younger.
Apparently, Marijuana use has been linked, according to some of the following articles, to early onset psychosis.
I was hoping to get some insights and perspectives from different groups, medical buffs, marijuana buffs, psychology/psychiatry buffs, and even the average joe who may frequent this site. If you don’t know enough about it, I’ve provided some links below
I have my opinions on the topic, but what do all you HEthens think?
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@trek79, It is a well studied phenomenon that people who smoke weed are much more likely to develop schizophrenia… to claim that you know for a fact that weed doesn’t cause schizophrenia is disregarding all the research being done on the subject, and it may turn out that it does, in fact, stimulate or exacerbate schizophrenia.
There is a definite correlation, but nobody knows that causation.
A good term to remember is;
“Umbrellas are correlated with rain, but umbrellas do not cause rain.”
Again – they DO know there is a correlation between schizophrenia and people who smoke weed. They do NOT know which is the causation of the other. This is heavily debated in the research field with no conclusion in the near future to be seen. Please respect the people doing the research on this, and don’t claim to know for a fact either way.
@tigerturban, A character flaw is something like what your presenting here… “using fuck off” and calling me a “fucking geek” is enough for me to realize that.
So I should rather not report the correlation, and hide that? You would rather dismiss all (possible) negative effects of the thing, in face of only the positive?
That isn’t very intelligent.
@aidenblair, i did a lot of research on schizophrenia a year or so ago and i realized modern psychology has a few different types of schizophrenia and in those types (or often times combination of types) there is a high/ low functioning system. the low functioning schizophrenic looses hygiene upkeep, worries less of social situations, and keeps less control of his emotions varying or intensity. i thought of all of these attributes, trying to ignore the label of schizophrenic, and i thought people who did that shit sounded pretty lazy. a different article i read said that there was thought to be a chemical imbalance in the brain that signified schizophrenia, but, too many “non schizophrenic” people also had this in their brains, showing us that we can’t tell if someone is schizophrenic with any physical differences. in my own experience, schizophrenia is an opening of one’s sub conscious and inner truth. it is a gift, but like all of life’s gifts it’s never unearned. it can be very hard to have contrasting opinions of large concepts in the form of voices in your head while you’re trying to mature as an adult (most schizophrenia occurs during the teen/young adult phase and likes to worsen with age). people have said i have adhd they’ve said i have schizophrenia i try not to pay attention to it but that’s just ignorance so learning more about it i reassured myself that i was high functioning. beyond that, i’m not a fucking sheep and i open my heart and mind to a self-made religious science i build on every day with others’ ideas and opinions. we’re all connected to what schizophrenics are connected to, if you fear you are schizophrenic understand this doesn’t have to mean anything. what matters is how active/lazy you are and for what purpose.
@aidenblair , Dr. Tim Leary once said, “psychedelics cause episodes of psychosis in those who have never taken them.” and I believe this applies to this situation. Psychologists and Neurophysiologists have failed to fully grasp the social and neurological implications of what these drugs, such as THC, does to you. Sure we can say it releases certain chemicals here and inhibits chemicals in this part of the brain, but those chemicals create something we can not measure; imagination and consciousness. My whole point to this is there is no way to be certain what THC truely does because we can not fully measure with certainty. This drugs cause a questioning of authority, change in social behavior, and boundary disillusion. Whether you believe that to be harmful or not is based in your own perspective.
If you can not even fully described what Schizophrenia is, then how can you honestly link something to causing it?
I think that marijuana don’t cause any mental disease but if you are mentally predisposed to any of them it can help the disease to develop. And that disease maybe never appeard if you never smoke.
When I was 17 I was smoking sometimes and because of that one day when being high I developed derealisation symptomes and it really suck I felt really bad for a long time.
I read an article awhile ago that said, marijuana may cause mental problems to people who already have the genetics to cause it in there future life. So if your young and smoking weed, and someone in your family has skitzo you have a higher chance in developing the symptoms that you would orginallly get when your older… so marijuana may actual detect the problem wayyy earlier in life before in becomes a big problem in the future .. in other cases it is said that marijuana may reduce mental problem such as Schizophrenia…so it can either cause the mental problem that the person already has… or reduce the risk of mental problems. Marijuana usually shows you the truth if your mind state, be aware of that… meditate niggas
@ijesuschrist, I’m sure anyone could find other “studies” that contraindicate that one as well. The amount of evidence that support Cannibis’ ability to help patients with anxiety and stress related disorders is gigantic.
Reporting a possible correlation defines one thing, understanding the connection defines another… though their may be a correlation, I believe it has more to do with, 1.) someone susceptible shifting their reality even-further-out with weed, or 2.) someone susceptible acting stereotypical and committing substance abuse.
In both cases the weed acts a conduit, not the source.
What is it you believe?
I’m not gonna go back through the convos you’ve had, as you pointed out, there’s been a lot of counterproductive language used, Instead, I’d like to ask this question fresh, from a non-combative standpoint and from the context I provided.
@tigerturban, and now you know me. Marijuana can certainly exacerbate psychosis, even if symptoms are not present in sobriety.
Its an incredibly strong entheogen, but daily or habitual use tends to decrease those types of effects. However, most people eventually encounter the negative trip, and its not a pleasant thing to deal with.
And I smoked a lot for years. Only at the end I couldn’t bear it any more and quit entirely. The 4-5 times I let myself smoke a little bit after that was pretty unpleasant so I just don’t. I have no trouble believing that for someone prone to mental illness, psychedelics may very be triggers. However pleasant being high all the time was for a while. It’s a lot more work to be high spirited and manage stress with natural techniques like physical exercise, healthy food, mediation and breathing but so much more rewarding in the long run.
I have no idea. But from personal experience I have had definite paranoid, schizophrenic like breakdowns while incredibly stoned before. One time I hit a homemade Gravity Bong for the first time and thought the entire world was out to get me. The entire thing was deja vu and I thought I knew what was going to happen. What’s crazy is that I actually predicted a few things. This only made me think I could predict things and then I started to think the cops were out to get me. I ended up flushing my weed in a McDonalds bathroom…
no one knows which causes which -
if schizophrenics are more likely to smoke
smoking is likely to cause schizophrenia
there has been no way to confirm either way and both seem probable, and it probably is a little bit of both. To me smoking is quite intense on the brain, especially when you have one of those “bad highs” that seems uncomfortable – once you have one of those you should stop immediately, as its a slippery slope from there on out.
@tigerturban, Have you met the majority of the people on this planet?
I’m not surprised they would laugh at someone else for differences. You seem so enlightened.
You’re defending marijuana likes its your child or something.
@tine, @ijesuschrist, @tigerturban, @trek79,
Ehem… the links I provided?
Has any of you bothered to even glance at them?
I provided the ones that I thought were the most credible, and even included the only debunking article I could find.
I don’t need to research the topic, I already have, I just wanted opinions from real people who may know something about this, may have experienced this, or know someone who has experienced this or something like this.
Though I love the way this thread has evolved throughout the day, it’s provided me with some insight as well as alot of entertainment whilst cleaning my apt. :)
i already told you, you’re argument is one-sided…you’ve already tried to dismiss my point that cannibus is prescribed (SUCCESSFULLY) for a wide variety of psychological and physical ailments. That makes you a goof. (for lack of a better word)
And how can you detect those latent psychosis in someone to determine is they should or should not take drugs anyway? My best friends brother used to smoke a lot of pot with us back in the day. His schizophrenia slowly creeped up on him. Now he’s locked up in the hospital and not going anywhere because he’s too dangerous. What if that could have been avoided?
I wouldn’t consider myself “brave” per se, but merely inquisitive. I was presented with my Fiancee’s fear of the correlation a little over a year ago because of it being brought up in one of her classes. And while there is little evidence showing that my ‘bio’ was schizophrenic, there is some suspicion that he was paranoid type, which they thought might have lead him to his eventual suicide. Basically, there is little evidence that I am genetically dispositioned to the disorder, and the research only shows a correlation but not a definitive link.
And while I agree with what you and the research claims about the correlation between drug use and early onset of mental and personality disorders, it pains me to say these are often misdiagnosed or mistakenly interchanged. Seeing that Schizoid, Schizotypal, and Schizoaffective, are all personality-type disorders, whereas Schizophrenia and Bipolar are psychotic disorder, I can see how the similarities might lead to a misdiagnosis.
Could you provide me with a link to the videos? I would like to use them, along with the other case studies I’ve found, to better educate myself on the different circumstances involved in different cases. Thanks :)
@alexxxwakeup, i agree, its all in the mind. its the same when you think about all the anti depressant drugs and that shit out there. you can go to any hospital in the world and see people loaded with prescription drugs that are numb to the world around them or find someone that seems schizo or crazy or whatever, its all about perspective to me. my dad tried to tell me im going crazy because i believe in things outside of Christianity and things outside hardcore republican views so take everything with a grain of salt. this is coming from a frequent smoker and someone who has seen the good and bad it can do. your state of mind contributes to how you react no matter the substance or lack there of.
Marijuana, just like just about anything, can cause chemical imbalance in the body. Because marijuana effects the brain, it can cause chemical imbalance in the brain itself and this could mean a number of symptoms such as depression and paranoia, as well as many others. The key is moderation, nay sayers are defensive about their baby but objectively anything can be abused and have negative effects.