Medication for Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar ect. Unnecessary??

2 years, 8 months ago

Is the answer to depression and other mental disorders bucking up and dealing with it or do you think medication for that sort of thing valid and useful?
I just want to know what others think of this topic.
I have heard lots from both sides but I want some HE opinion

August 8, 2012 at 12:15 am

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m not for medicine. I’m almost against it.
No, I am against it.
The way I look at it, the belief that the products of mind are capable of changing minds production is little different than belief in witchcraft.
Depression, anxiety, bipolar, I’d even go so far as to say most of what we call schizophrenia is due to certain life issues (many of them Western society won’t confront, doesn’t know how to, or doesn’t know exist) that you fail to resolve yourself. You drag them along from day to day hiding behind the treated symptoms.

But it doesn’t have to be looked at this way to see what I mean.
Familiar with neuroplasticity? It’s the quality of our brains that causes them, each and every night, to prune unused systems and reinforce used ones. In the most literal direct way we all know, as well as many ways we are out-of-touch with ourselves concerning, WE tell our brains what to do and no less.

Emotional neuropeptides are highly relevant. They’re different small protein chains our hypothalamus creates as response to emotional input from YOU, what you really are. These protein chains are received in the receptors of EVERY CELL IN OUR BODY as the way our cellular collectivity understands our emotions, and reacts to them. As our cells replace themselves, the new cells are created with MORE receptor sites for the neuropeptides we used frequently and FEWER of the ones we use seldom.
It is very significant that these receptor sites are the same that opiates stimulate. We “get addicted” to emotions in a sense that’s almost entirely literal.

If you’re told you have a “chemical imbalance” or any neuro-problem, don’t look at medical options, look at your life. Aim to find where the circumstances you create for yourself and remain within have over time taught your brain to do exactly what it’s doing. Change that. You will see the change reverse, and will have no dependency to drugs.

If you’re content with the chemical approach, realize that it has not tapped the issue, but that you’re ingesting substance that replaces what your body would otherwise make itself. This will far from stimulate your mind to re-take what feels to you a better stance, and in fact makes your situation worse since your brain will then continually under-compensate since you’re telling your brain to have a certain level of the right stuff then adding more of it than you told it to have as if you intend otherwise. The problem will deepen, and you will be dependent on Big Pharma, allowing them to use you as an ignorant financial battery just like so many million others.

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Profile photo of Christian Christian (@christian92) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

Medication can’t cure the root cause, which is your mind.
Meditation and self-reflection is the key. Of course that takes longer, but the effect is much bigger.

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@nightowl, Informative post, friend.

I’d just like to tack on JUST how little anyone can trust Big Pharma’s intentions for your health. The evidence is stacked SO high that they are just in it for the money, regardless of what happens to you, and the end result is your zombification.

THEY tell you what is wrong with you, THEY tell you that crap works, THEY tell you their crap will fix it. THEY make you buy it. THEY get you dependent on it.

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@mercurial, I mean, what I stated wasn’t placing blame on anyone’s shoulders but their own. Big Pharma is a force, but not when pitted against your ability to just deny them.

In the grand scheme, it is likely that all that we do is related and controlled beyond our measures, such that to act as if blame exists, even when introspectively applied, is fruitless. That, however, is a difficult thing for people to accept or even grasp, at times.

I’m not afraid of what you have to say, so fire away whenever you please. I don’t have a preferred time for discussion, growth, or expanse. I like it always, for it feels like one of the greatest experiences one can really have. In fact, I should say that, though general, “growth” is really THE greatest thing.

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@mercurial, he was tagging it onto my post, which clearly exercises self-responsibility. He simply added Pharma’s priorities.

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Profile photo of SmokeUP1 SmokeUP1 (@smokeup1) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

They put those commercials up on tv askin you if your feeling this way if you’re depressed and they even tell you that there are side effects that might make it worse. Thts something you need to battle on your own making yourself stronger in the process. The government just wants us trying their drugs. all they do is kill ppl. cigarettes, alcohol legal. weed ONLY puts ppl in jail but no deaths:/ its fuked up

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@smokeup1, I almost posted saying weed probably ought not be pulled into this, but then I saw your username. Carry on.
… The time is currently 4:20 sharp here.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

I am on medication for schizophrenia called Risperdal Consta, it is an inter muscular injection I have every 2 weeks. If you knew what it is like to have schizophrenia without an effective treatment then you would not ask someone to stop an effective treatment. Call that hiding or what ever, bag it out as weakness or whatever, but don’t say you get it.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@mercurial, Well it is not clear to anyone what I have so officially it is schizophrenia, but I have aspects of half a dozen mental illnesses and this treatment is the only thing that stabilizes me enough to be coherent and healthy enough for independence.

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@trek79, I hope you weren’t touched abrasively by my post. I speak straight, but I never intend harshness. Although I still hold my stance, I do understand your difficulty somewhat, and hope I understand it enough that I do not make a fool of myself by holding it.

Everyone naturally uses different proportions of diverse areas of their brain and at gradient degrees, and those different areas have highly varying complexity of network and that network infinitely unimaginable myriad content.

Nature with equal fervor developed the parts of the brain that display behaviors we give the opinion title “disorder” to as it did hearing, sight, logic, all of it. The experiences I’ve had with intentionally inducing schizophrenic states tell me that they are not naturally disruptive to the life of a person and indeed have a profound natural purpose. Unfortunately it is true that every schizophrenic in the world lives in a place of the world where these parts of the mind are not allowed healthy and/or full development, and additionally sometimes distorted in complex and unique ways by this.

Shamanic tribes and eastern cultures that have retained themselves, with genuine in-touch exercise of these mind modes, have NO schizophrenia. This is not a natural disease but a social one. I do not envy anyone who has to deal with this issue, and send my deepest love and wishes of healing.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@nightowl, No offense taken. I believe my main problem is I am highly perceptive and extremely empathic, this combination creates a situation of susceptablitiy to bi-polar type symptoms of manic depression and even euphoria. But it also means that I am often obsessive in a search for solutions to a myriad of issues, such that causes insomnia and frustration that leads to agression. Before my medication I was getting no where, just stuck in a state of constant thought and stress for things not even relevant, the weight of the world so to speak.
Now I see clearly the importance of patience and rejuvenation of my physical and mental being, something neglected to almost fatal injury in the state I was. Perhaps there are alternatives to my treatment that I may find some day, perhaps I am already in a psychological and philosophical mindset to deal with them, but if I miss a treatment for but a few days my extreme symptoms return.
It would take time to “re-acclimate” to a chemicalless state and it would be a very difficult task, not to mension a risky one. I would no doubt need some kinds of substitute or undeminishable motivator to compensate, if just temporarily.
@mercurial, I’m sure my friends would agree, they let their frustrations known to me all the time, :)

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@trek79, in the same token that I understand chemically-induced psychedelia is a form of medicine for the entrained mind but that they’re only to show us that which we are missing and allow ourselves to experience and learn it that our neuroplasticity may move to it, I understand that medicines can be used as facilitating tools for transitions just the same to more intended states of mental being (what this tunnel-vision societal moire calls mental health).

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@nightowl, Everyone is nuts according to someone else, even the sanest person in the world knows someone who thinks he’s nuts. But if you think differently enough for most people to think you are nuts, even if you are not, you will have to consider compromising that uniqueness for acceptance. Not that you have to change but that you have to know when the right times are for you to be yourself and when it is best to blend. A crazy person who can do that is called a genius.

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

Your ‘bipolar’ is not genetic weakness. You do not deserve to die. There is nothing about yourself that is permanently wrong; Each passing moment is another opportunity to turn it all around.
You surely read my above posts? Although they’re in some clean-cut straight talk, I do mean them all as heartfelt advice that I hope anyone an apply to improve themselves or direct their mind more consciously and as they see fit.
@ameryyyy

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Profile photo of Lin Lin (@lnikolova) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

well, right now I am feeling really good to see someone saying “I have mental illness and the injections are good for me”. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like any kinds of medicines, I avoid them in any ways, but when it comes to that kind of diseases things are not so easy.
and I agree that the living and destiny are things that are making us, but it is not only the environment that build one person. The environment just adds its “yuk”.
and if there is someone who used to have mental disease, like paranoid schizophrenia for example, and now he is cured without using medicines I really would like to meet him, hug him and understand “how”!

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Profile photo of Amerrryyyy. Amerrryyyy. (@ameryyyy) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@lnikolova, me too!

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Profile photo of savmot savmot (@savmot) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

@ameryyyy,

Personal choice. Fact is, medication works. It’s all well and good talking about meditation and all that jazz, which I know full well will work just as well for most people, but when you’re so depressed you can’t get out of bed you just WILL NOT meditate, just as you will not go out and exercise and will not do numerous other things that will probably make you feel a whole lot better, because you don’t have the energy or motivation to do them.

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Profile photo of Panos Panos (@panos1313) 2 years, 8 months ago ago

7 monhs ago i went from socially avoidant to socially anxious.At that time i had to make a lot of effort to not get on any medication.Now im glad i got over it without meds, and for this reason i know its unlikely to return.That said even now medication would make me feel better and i will agree to its use for serious cases but DEFINATELY not permanently

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