Morality is not necessary to attain success?

2 years, 5 months ago

“Success can be attained immorally.”
Is there any information in Scientology/ atheist texts that supports this conjecture?

November 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm

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Profile photo of Andrew Andrew (@betterthanbarker) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

I’m not sure about texts, but I think this is a great question. First you need to define morality before you can determine the second half of the statement, although I’ve never heard of a definition of morality that makes sense.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@hiiipower, Who’s conjecture is that?

And why specifically Scientology? Or ‘atheist’ texts

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Profile photo of HiiiPower HiiiPower (@hiiipower) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@betterthanbarker, true, well I’m talking more in contrast to attaining success while following a socially acceptable code of ethics, if that helps :)

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Profile photo of HiiiPower HiiiPower (@hiiipower) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@piptherational, well I kinda just made it up, and I’m trying to analyze what Scientology says about success in relationship to morality, however I’m still discovering Scientology and atheism; have any links to good sources that could explain either of those concepts better?

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

Morals are subjective. Everyone has morals. “Immoral” is just a concept that hateful people use to demonize people who don’t agree with them.

There are billions of ways to get rich. Some of em are completely compatible with the herd’s morals and some of em aren’t compatible with the herd’s morals at all. Most are somewhere in between.

But at the same time, these strange morals of the herd are making a lot of “immoral” people filthy rich. Hell, it’s the main fucking reason why the “immoral” people are filthy rich. People with herd morals are a goldmine, that’s why these herd morals were given to them.

No matter what your morals are, you can be as rich or as poor as anyone else. It’s all in your actions.

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Profile photo of derek derek (@dkanowsky) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

If by “success” you mean financial wealth and stability, then by no means is morality necessary. In fact, I would argue some amount of disregard for morality is necessary to achieve our capitalist definition of success. Unless someone is entirely ignorant of the poverty and starvation rates of much of our planet, being wealthy is in a way immoral in itself. (Here I’m defining “moral” in a utilitarian way aka whatever promotes the greatest universal happiness is what is “right”).

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Profile photo of cadeus cadeus (@cadeus333) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

Well, I don’t know about the relation to Scientology but in my experience morality actually hinders success more than it helps it. I find as I go higher up into the company I work for it becomes more and more ruthless. I have found myself struggling because I have advanced in the company but as I have, I have begun to feel more and more alienated because of the lack of morality. The willingness to step on people, to hurt them personally and professionally just to get competition out of the equation.

I have noticed that in getting to know and talking with a lot of these people, most of them are atheist, not all but most. Could it be that when you do not believe in a higher power, you may be able negate a certain amount of morality out of your life and become more successful because of it? In my opinion, absolutely. With out a doubt.

I would like to say that I know atheists who are far more compassionate and loving human beings than a lot of Christians I know but I think a higher power gives people more accountability in their lives. Because if it means nothing, there is nothing after death, what is to stop us from becoming filthy rich on the suffering of others and enjoy all of the blissfulness that money can buy? Nothing.

I think this is the root of the problem in this country (U.S.) and in the world. No accountability. No morality. Only sociopaths that push a tainted religious agenda.

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