My UFO Experience
On Saturday the 15th of December, i had just gotten back to my friends place after a birthday dinner. Before walking into the house, i looked up to see the stars ( i have just moved back to Australia, not used to seeing so many in the sky; it’s quite amazing). After a few seconds, i noticed 5 lights moving in formation across the sky about 100-200m above me. They moved relatively slowly, all the while rearranging themselves into different configurations. They didnt appear to fly, but more like float across the night sky- it was quite bizarre. I told the friend i was with to look up, he saw them for a few seconds.
The night before I saw numerous shooting stars, i spent about an hour looking up into the sky as I had heard about Geminid Meteor shower… I made a wish to see/ meet aliens- perhaps it came true!
Has anyone had any experiences like this?
When it comes to aliens i think it’s ridiculous to think they dont exist, as do a lot of people…
Human civilization has been around for tens of thousands of years. If an alien race came about a million years before us, they have had that much more time to advance their technology. Enough time for unimaginable technological breakthroughs when one considers Moore’s Law… I hope i live to see the day when we discover/ come into contact with aliens! Who knows, it may be this friday! (21/12/12)
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@shbarton, I’ve seen similar phenomena.
@manimal, 5 flying objects moving in concert could be anything? Hardly, manimal. From my limited perspective, the most likely culprits are the military or extraterrestrials.
Since we’re assuming that the aliens are much more technologically advanced than we are, yet behave similarly, then we can assume that they can and will “…drive off the highway to look at an anthill,” as human scientists do in the name of science. Abductions could be analogous to taking population samples, although many abductees aren’t credible witnesses.
While I can’t prove that these lights are alien spaceships, consider the fact that Mars and Mercury (and maybe Venus in the past) have water ice on their surfaces. Now consider the fact that hundred of nearby stars have extrasolar planets within the stars’ habitable zones. Does it not seem possible that a large proportion of planets near a star (there are 12 stars within 10 l.y. of Sol) are likely to have water? Further, other planets could possess potential life-sustaining substances other than water.
So, I say the next time you/anyone looks up at the sky and sees something bizarre, don’t point and say, “That’s definitely not an alien.”
@manimal, I was talking about you. You seem determined to convince others that aliens don’t exist.
I see your posts on other topics as well. I think you’re an alien. I believe I asked you recently.
Please do not abduct me, or have your cronies do it.
@manimal, lol, what I love about your responses are how you claim to think you know so much about how the world and universe works, yet I can tell you barely know how to even communicate with a single person.
As far as “why would they come to see us”, while all your restrictions are valid.. you fail to understand how minds work. “If they’re intelligent, there’s nothing of value here for them.” -If humans were capable of travelling long interstellar distances, they would look for radio signals and all other “man-made” so to speak signals, and follow it. Even if they found out that a bacteria was alive on a very distant planet, they would go to it to research it. Did you already forget that we spent billions to go to Mars knowing we wont find anything that specs of potential past life? So how can you say aliens wouldnt visit us, knowing we arent as intelligent as them? If there are aliens within a certain calculable distance, and they are made of are awareness AND have the capabilities of travelling to us, they would 100% do it, even if we are just an anthill to them.
The fact that you or anyone else cant understand this simple fact boggles my mind.
“Oh cuz it’s not like I have a psychological education and lots of experience…. It’s not like I succesfully sort my own and other people’s minds out proffessionally… And it’s not like they keep coming back for more help… And it’s not like I’ve learned from some of the greatest masters of mindstuff and spirituality or anything…”
- I go back and forth between either you are a complete waste of time, or just play the devil’s advocate on everything, even if you dont believe it, just to show that you can. Yet you would like me to believe that people in the real world like you? You cant even make more then a couple people on a site dedicated to love and discussion like you…But I guess you might have some people come and speak to you…I mean you do live in Sweden, the most babied country in the world. Most people have the government give them milk, change their diaper, so someone who actually speaks their mind like you do would be a refreshing change for those people. So logically, you could make good money saying whatever you spew.
Moving on. “And if their technology is so highly developed, they probably wouldn’t even remember that there ever was such a thing as radio signals.:”
-I guess this ones my fault, I wasnt clear enough, typed that last one from my phone. When I said “man-made signals, so to speak” I meant any signals that arent emitted from planets, or stars, or black holes, etc. Most intelligent species would be able to decipher that these signals arent coming from inanimate objects, rather something else, something intelligent enough to create signals. I dont want to go more into it then that, google it if you want to theres enough information out there on that. So your two+ paragraphs on that are pointless…althought I do admire you for jumping on the word “radio signals” and using it to your advantage. I thought you would be smart enough to decipher I meant over signals, not just radio signals…maybe you were, but you found a weakness in my logic and decided to attack it. Either way, moving on.
“Some (NOT ALL) people would go far away to examine some bacteria. This doesn’t imply that another intelligent life form would. Especially not one that’s much more developed than us and very different from us. Also, what you’re doing here is making claims to know how an alien reasons. How could you know that? Have you spoken to them? Are you one of them?
Didn’t think so. Your claims are empty and based upon nothing.”
- Lets discuss: Yes, not all species would go in search for the bacteria; just look at earth for example, not every species has interest in learning about any other species. Some species dont give a fuck about any other species then there own, and do everything possible to avoid it. But then comes evolution, and forming intelligence. Once a species start becoming smarter, and forms intelligence greater then its need for survival, it becomes curious. It then wants to know EVERYTHING about its surroundings. You could say this is up for debate, as is everything in life. But most scientists are in agreement that most species in the universe, once evolved enough, would then start venturing out into space to learn more about the place they call home. Like I said to start my original reply, all your restrictions are valid; meaning there are many reasons aliens wont visit us, many of the things you said. So yes, its possible alien species wont care about the rest of the universe, but for you to say “there is nothing for them to travel to us for, we have nothing to offer” is beyond idiotic.
“We spent millions to go to Mars? I didn’t. Did you? We knew there was nothing there to find? I didn’t, did you? If so, how? Had you been there?”
Im not even going to bother wasting my fingers typing this one out, your smart enough to use google, so go educate yourself on what we knew about Mars before we went there. In summation: we knew there is no intelligent life, but as far as bacteria goes, we werent sure at all. Hence we traveled to the planet to find either bacteria, or forms of life that may have lived their millions of years ago.
“If aliens are as common as you say, there’s a shitload of “anthills” out there.”
-I never once said that. you are just saying that so you can make your argument stronger without any validity. ive seen it plenty of times(mostly in politics, mind you). Its safe to assume aliens arent too common because of the amount of space we as humans have identified and observed.
“Stop thinking you know a bunch of shit you don’t.”
- see, you base your argument off a small percentage of a chance. I base my knowledge off the observable universe. There is a reason that over 95% of scientists believe that there is some form life out there in the universe. Everything in your argument is based off a slight chance that there isnt. It isnt a smart way to approach anything. A person should understand that nothing in this universe is a fact, but not base their entire arguments off the 1% chance.
Oh, and sorry for the typo’s and grammar, I type fast and have no desire to edit. If you have nothing to say, feel free to be a grammar nazi; the last defense of a defeated man.
@manimal, If you’re able to negate all possibility of intelligent life throughout the whole universe why is it irrational for somebody to assume life exists elsewhere? Belief man, it’s all belief.
You, for example, once stated that you thoroughly believe you’re not going die. I jokingly, to mess with you, said “eh nah you’ll die too”…to which you asked me why I would spread such a negative viewpoint across to others or even hold to that belief that we all die.
Living forever is a radical (and fun) idea but where’s the proof? Why would you live forever when seemingly everything else dies?
There is proof of life in space. Is it intelligent life? No but it is life. COULD there be intelligent life? MAYBE there could. Why do I say maybe? I say maybe for this reason – I say it simply because we are here. Now, does this make it true? No it makes it a belief. Frankly, it is what it is and finding any form of life in the universe is a ‘good sign’ for the argument of the possibility of intelligent life SOMEWHERE.
I just find it funny how a person can state that he/she believes they will live forever (when nobody else has and there is no concrete evidence whatsoever for this) but at the same time unable to accept there may be some possibility that even intelligent life itself even exists somewhere else (even though life, be it small, has been found).
Belief, it is all belief.
If you could travel 1000 times the speed of light it would take you 70 years to get half way across our galaxy. If you have a book with each star in our galaxy in it and spent 1 second looking at each star, it would take you 10,000 years to complete the book. (some size ideas about our galaxy)
Where all of you go wrong is that you assume that intelligence is the point of evolution when in reality it’s not. Nature doesn’t give two shits if an animal can create art.or explore space just like it doesn’t care if an animal can fly or run fast.. Evolution is not linear, species adapt to their needs. Nature just wants an animal to have the ability to survive and reproduce. For humans that meant developing superb cognitive abilities just like for birds it meant flying.
If aliens existed it would be highly unlikely that they would develop the same intellegence, yet alone the same cuisities as us. Also there may be aliens with higher cognitive abilities than us but you can’t assume they would think like us. Therefore you really can’t really assume anything about these hypothetical creatures.
Intellegence does NOT equal most evolved.
@manimal, You have said some pretty brilliant shit here on HE, and make it seem like you have it all together but I have to wonder, if you’ve got it all so figured out, why do you spend so much time on an internet forum?
@yoinkie, “- I go back and forth between either you are a complete waste of time, or just play the devil’s advocate on everything, even if you dont believe it, just to show that you can. Yet you would like me to believe that people in the real world like you? You cant even make more then a couple people on a site dedicated to love and discussion like you…But I guess you might have some people come and speak to you…I mean you do live in Sweden, the most babied country in the world. Most people have the government give them milk, change their diaper, so someone who actually speaks their mind like you do would be a refreshing change for those people. So logically, you could make good money saying whatever you spew.”
This topic isn’t about me, it’s about aliens. Ever heard about things like “focus” and “keeping your shit together?”
The internet is a hostile and juvenile place, and friends are made in real life, not in some illusory internet world. And the “couple people” are quite numerous, your lowly strawman tactics are pathetic.
Your bullshit about Sweden is completely inaccurate as well, but that’s no surprise. Your people are typically in the dark about the world outside your region.
Which makes your claims to understand space even more ridiculous. If you don’t even know your own backyard, you don’t know the woods or the planes or the desert.
“-I guess this ones my fault, I wasnt clear enough, typed that last one from my phone. When I said “man-made signals, so to speak” I meant any signals that arent emitted from planets, or stars, or black holes, etc. Most intelligent species would be able to decipher that these signals arent coming from inanimate objects, rather something else, something intelligent enough to create signals. I dont want to go more into it then that, google it if you want to theres enough information out there on that. So your two+ paragraphs on that are pointless…althought I do admire you for jumping on the word “radio signals” and using it to your advantage. I thought you would be smart enough to decipher I meant over signals, not just radio signals…maybe you were, but you found a weakness in my logic and decided to attack it. Either way, moving on.”
I see what you’re trying to do there. Poorly disguised, (and executed) underhanded tactics again.
Either that, or you’re not intelligent to understand that the radio thing was just an example. Tech moves forward, old inferior shit is forgotten. If you found some old crude tools from the iron age you probably wouldn’t even recognize them as man-made. And that’s not that long ago, and it wasn’t made by another type of life form, but your own species.
“- Lets discuss: Yes, not all species would go in search for the bacteria; just look at earth for example, not every species has interest in learning about any other species. Some species dont give a fuck about any other species then there own, and do everything possible to avoid it. But then comes evolution, and forming intelligence. Once a species start becoming smarter, and forms intelligence greater then its need for survival, it becomes curious. It then wants to know EVERYTHING about its surroundings. You could say this is up for debate, as is everything in life. But most scientists are in agreement that most species in the universe, once evolved enough, would then start venturing out into space to learn more about the place they call home. Like I said to start my original reply, all your restrictions are valid; meaning there are many reasons aliens wont visit us, many of the things you said. So yes, its possible alien species wont care about the rest of the universe, but for you to say “there is nothing for them to travel to us for, we have nothing to offer” is beyond idiotic.”
Ah, the most common logical fallacy (and/or idiotic tactic) of them all, “a lot of people think this way, that means it’s more valid.” THAT is idiotic.
And, like many great men have said, does history record a single instance where the majority was right?
That’s right, it doesn’t.
Plus, these scientists are in agreement based upon nothing other than what they’ve seen in ONE species, humans. And they just assume that our development is the only possible path, but biology implies the difference. With hard facts. There’s an endless array of different evolutionary paths. Claiming knowledge about something you literally know nothing about is the fucking opposite of science, whatever scientists claim this shit about aliens should have their degrees nullified.
It’s because of that kind of retarded shit that science moves so damn slowly. Fuck, it’s like the dark ages all over again. But now it’s not the church that’s the problem, it’s retarded pseudo-scientists.
The true adversaries of the truth.
“Im not even going to bother wasting my fingers typing this one out, your smart enough to use google, so go educate yourself on what we knew about Mars before we went there.”
Are you an astronaut? Oh yeah you’re not, so you didn’t fucking go to Mars. “We” didn’t go to Mars, “THEY” did, a couple of space men that don’t even know you exist.
And they didn’t know anything about it before that, they had assumptions, theories, but they didn’t know. Hell, they still don’t. They’re just groping in the dark, while telling people that they know what they’re doing, when they really don’t.
If they already knew, they wouldn’t explore.
“Everything in your argument is based off a slight chance that there isnt. It isnt a smart way to approach anything. A person should understand that nothing in this universe is a fact, but not base their entire arguments off the 1% chance.”
SLIGHT chance? That’s your assumption. You don’t know what the odds are. Neither do I.
There are facts though, denying that is the signum of the imbecile. We don’t know all the facts, some of us know a bunch of them, but it’s still not much. There are facts though, only a dumbass would deny that.
As for the grammar stuff, I was just offering some advice. This is a forum for WRITTEN fucking communication. Doing that right should be prio1 for any intelligent individual using the service.
And isn’t it strange that a bunch of foreigners type way better than most of the natives? HMMMM….
Believe what you will. But believing in something doesn’t make it so.
If you keep feeding the man he will troll you like an animal..Good points, but not actually good points. I have a feeling @manimal, will question me saying, of what points do you speak?, but he knows full in well what I’m talking about, i will take a quote from one of yours ” You don’t know, What you don’t know.” and @manimal, quite frankly i thought you had relevant input into these threads, but i can see You’re more interested in flexing your knowledge and demeaning others…But hey it’s ok, because you do a really good job at it.
I also find it very strange how people talk about ‘planets that are capable of supporting life’. As if it’s beyond belief that other living creatures may require different things to us. It’s like saying that nothing can live in the sea, just because we can’t.
I’ve seen UFOs many times! Only up close 2 times though. They looked almost exactly like stars and that’s what I thought they were… until they started to fade and brighten randomly and then make sharp turns in the sky! About 70% of the time I see these at night.
@shbarton, I’m not doubting your story at all, UFO’s have been spotted all over the world, by millions of people. But when you take into account that almost all sightings (At least here in the United States, I have little geographical knowledge of Australia) are near military bases, it’s not hard to put 2+2 together. The other problem I have believing that UFO’s are aliens is the fact that, well, the universe is really fucking big. There’s not really any way to comprehend how large it is. So to say that a technologically advanced species that has presumably mastered faster-than-light travel, came to Earth, to what? Fly around in the sky? The odds of any other species in the universe even FINDING Earth is astronomical (See what I did there? :D). I have absolutely zero doubt that aliens exist somewhere out there. But I do doubt that any of them have ever been to or found Earth. Likely if they did, we would never have any clue or hint to their existence. Remember, technology and all that.
TL;DR-UFO’s probably aren’t aliens, use some sense, HEthens.
@shbarton, Well, we have 40% identical dna with mold. So indeed, a small difference is a huge difference.
The capabilities of a more highly developed intelligent life form would obviously dwarf ours, but what it seems you overlooked is just how different they would be. And in extent, their ideas, ambitions, and so on. Their relation to space could be very different, incomprehensible to us, hell their very form could be intangible to us. Why would they need spaceships with lights on them if they were so superhuman?
Wormhole travel could be possible, yes, but it could also be impossible. Hell, even the idea of wormholes could be dead wrong.
And about the lightspeed travel thing, ever consider how much shit there is out there that you would collide with? There’s no way you could dodge that at the speed of light, which means you’d need some sort of pathfinding system, which also means a much much longer distance covered, meaning it takes even more time. This applies even if you’d use wormholes or black holes (if that even works,) and even if you don’t reach speeds anywhere close to the speed of light.
Instead of telling people to not take things so literally, how about formulating your words more properly? This is written communication, good syntax is key. That broken grammar and those diffuse statements and questions generate a lot of communicative noise, which is something to avoid.
@boribori90, Where did I say your views are idiotic and mine are infallible? That’s a very lowly projection, some kind of rhetorical tactic perhaps?
Dude I’m not saying I’m right, I’m barely even making statements or sharing my views, I’m only questioning. Asking questions, seeing how much you’ve really thought things through.
And your unwillingness (inability? Hmm?) to answer my questions implies a whole lot.
Pretty much proving my point, that you guys have no idea at all what you’re talking about. Irrational beliefs and theories that are barely thought through, like I presumed.
Planets which could support life show up on our radars? That’s not the whole story. They’re planets that scientists BELIEVE can support life, they’re not that certain. “Nearby” is still a very, VERY long distance from us, many many lightyears away. Even if there was lightspeed travel, it would take an incredibly long-ass time to travel from one to the other.
As for the UFOs. Like someone said earlier, cutting edge technology is a lot more cutting edge than anything the masses have ever seen. It really takes decades before the new stuff reaches the masses (unless it’s a 100% mass commercial product idea.) And it’s not just the organized stuff either.
Reminds me of an old UFO experience of mine. It was two and a half years ago, I was staying at my friend’s house in the middle of nowhere. We saw some strange lights in the sky at night, and it sounded kind of like a helicopter. He said he’d seen it before and had no idea what it was, he thought it was alien. Then we started seeing it in the middle of the day too, and it looked like a really weird helicopter thing. It was always flying in the same direction, and there’s nothing in that direction except a lake and a lot of forest.
One day we were by the lake, and the thing flew right over us, and we saw it was landing not too far away, so we went to check it out. What we found was just that, a very strange helicopter, parked next to a small summer house in the middle of nowhere. The man in the house saw us and came out to ask us what we were doing there. We told him, and asked him about the vehicle. He explained that it was a one of a kind “home-made” German aircraft, cutting edge stuff. I don’t think it was even legal to fly, let alone registered anywhere.
What I’m saying is, there’s inventors and various rich people that have all kinds of fancy tech tools and toys that people know nothing about. And if you have something like that, you use it, right? And then there’s governments, military and such, they’re bound to have even more of that stuff.
And yknow, you can attach big lights to most aircrafts without any complications.
I’ve seen a bunch of weird lights in the sky, but I don’t believe one bit that it’s alien. That’s pretty much the most far-fetched theory of all the ones that are available, it really isn’t logical at all. And there’s nothing concrete to base it upon.
And you know what, it wasn’t that long ago people thought Aurora Borealis was aliens, and the midnight sun, and all sorts of phenomena like that.
Just like fairies, elves, spirits, and all that jazz. It’s all just silly jumped conclusions, and time and time again, it becomes proven that it’s all dead wrong. See the pattern?
Just superstition and irrational beliefs, over and over again being proven wrong by hard evidence. It’s just a matter of time before we see the same thing happen to all the alien theories.
And this family member of yours. How high is their position, and in what branch of the government?
Probes are like drugs, nobody turns them down haha.
@chodebalm No nothing like that video- (i wish though) they were far less bright and a lot closer and smaller.
Like i said before, i think it’s near stupidity to assume that we are the only life in our universe.
All life on earth is alien by our standard, if we only came from another planet. Why are we so special? We exist on a planet orbiting an average star, which is in the middle of an average spiral galaxy.
@manimal i never said i saw an alien, i chose the words UFO for a reason. The implication is that they are indeed ‘aliens’ is just inherent from a countless other stories….
With regards to the anthill you have a very very good point. Neil de grasse tyson (video linked above) compared alien life and their intelligence to humans and chimps. Whilst we share 99% of our DNA with chimps, we can do a shit load more than they ever could. So what if our DNA was 1% different to that of an alien, but we are the chimps and they are the humans? Their capabilities would dwarf ours immensely.
The speed of light is the universal speed limit… but who’s to say a linear, direct approach to travelling across the universe is how ‘aliens’ would do it? Who’s to say that travelling through a wormhole or anything of the sort is impossible? We do not know at the moment, we dont have the capabilities. But who know’s it could indeed be possible!
“has anyone had any experiences like this?” I was asking HE, not the entire population and their ancestors. Dont take things so literally
So wishing on a shooting star is somewhat closed minded and childish… I’m a pretty smart/educated guy- i still touch wood to avoid a jinx and i have to have the volume on a nice number- it’s what makes us human!
@josephm I dont think it was a hallucination… the friend i was with saw it as well.
The manimal has a point.
Yo what if life is only possible through the ever slim ratio of star size to planet size/distance from the sun that earth has. If we were even meters further from the sun maybe we would have never evolved as we have.
Maybe it IS infinitely impossible that we exist. Still there would at least be two or three others of us at LEAST. At LEAST.. You FAGGOTS.
@shbarton, And anyone else reading.. There is no doubt in my mind that I have had numerous ufo experiences. I know I am blessed with some sort of gift from the cosmos, because the amount of shooting stars, random times I step outside only to see something I cant explain in the sky has happend to me more times than ive probably heard Call me maybe. Lol, If i went into complete detail i’d write a book on here but i’ll do my best. I remember seeing an orange ball in the sky while at a gas station in Florida. I was young so I asked my mom what it was..it was the first time I can remember she didnt have an answer for something. Other people pumping gas saw it as well. It eventually dissapeard and everyone awkwardly went on with their business. Since then I have seen 2 other orange-ish red lights. One was more red..it seemed to be bouncing in the sky like it was attatched to a yoyo. As me and my friend stared at it in amazement/terror it stopped then sped off at what seemed the speed of light. My friend claims she saw something hangin from it but i didnt. The 3rd one was very close. 2 friends and I were on my roof looking at the ring around the moon that happens due to climate n whatnot. My girl grabbed my arm ad said ” UM what the hell is that?” while pointing at a diamond shaped orange light moving slowly in our direction about 4 blocks away. I said, It’s either a plane flying oddly low towards us or aliens.. I said this expecting it to be a plane, but I realized it was not flashing..there was no noise.. and its light seemed to be pulsating while changing shape from a diamond to a circle. MIND BLOWN. My guy friend who was also on the roof had not a single word to say. I proceeded to say ” we come in peace! ” It dimmed down 3 times and agian, seemed to move at the speed of light. It was beautiful :]
All “UFO sightings” are from man-made aircraft.
Let me explain why I believe this;
The technology we have available to us is far surpassed what we know right now. The top-secret projects around the world, including the US must be incredible. Look up “The Rainbow” project – this was from the 40′s. Who knows if it is true or not.
We had the stealth bomber years before it came out, and I’m pretty sure we have some insane shit happening now. To the OP: Are you near an airport?
What better place to test fly anything other than in the desert, near the airport?
Why there isn’t aliens visitung us:
The “cosmic speed limit”.
There may be ways to get around it, worm holes, and so forth, but in reality – there does not seem to be a way to travel faster than the speed of light, and if we can’t surpass that, contacting other life forms isn’t going to be a possibility unless we dedicate hundreds if not thousands of generations aboard some spacecraft to make the distant travel… Hopefully we have fusion by then.
–If I was an alien, why would I say aliens probably aren’t real? –
welllll, one could argue that the aliens wish to keep their existence a secret, and if Marvin is involved, that’s as much a guarantee that you could get. don’t let his high pitched voice fool you, its all an act!
Just to reiterate what @ladyartemis said about crop circles
Everyone should have a look at some of the videos on them on youtube… i used to by very skeptical. After seeing some of them and knowing the time it would have taken for the to have been made and bla bla bla… it’s quite bizarre.
One of the video’s talks about the crop that had beenaffected in the crop circle, and how there were weird radiation readings recorded The coolest thing in my view was that the crop that was affected proceeded to grow faster and appeared more healthy when compared to the unaffected crop.
It makes a lot of sense from a psychological stand point that people would believe in aliens and U.F.Os. For both sides of the arguement; Fear and hope.
People are have always been afraid that some superior power will come along and take what they have, their homes, their lives. This is a big reason for the stance on gun rights in the U.S, people fear the commies, terrorists or a paraphrased quote “Is that what you want? The King of England coming here and pushing you around?”.
As our basically allied western nations go, technologically we do not have much to fear, even if threatening nations develop good war technologies, our mass production capabilities absolutely dominates any threat, and so we invent new threats, or potential threats, to justify our paranoia and spending, Aliens.
On the flip side, another big reason is hope. People see humanity as failing and we are so incompetent that only an intervention can help us. Aliens present the possibility that a much wiser and dominant force can intercede in our erronous ways and guide us to a better tommorow.