My UFO Experience
On Saturday the 15th of December, i had just gotten back to my friends place after a birthday dinner. Before walking into the house, i looked up to see the stars ( i have just moved back to Australia, not used to seeing so many in the sky; it’s quite amazing). After a few seconds, i noticed 5 lights moving in formation across the sky about 100-200m above me. They moved relatively slowly, all the while rearranging themselves into different configurations. They didnt appear to fly, but more like float across the night sky- it was quite bizarre. I told the friend i was with to look up, he saw them for a few seconds.
The night before I saw numerous shooting stars, i spent about an hour looking up into the sky as I had heard about Geminid Meteor shower… I made a wish to see/ meet aliens- perhaps it came true!
Has anyone had any experiences like this?
When it comes to aliens i think it’s ridiculous to think they dont exist, as do a lot of people…
Human civilization has been around for tens of thousands of years. If an alien race came about a million years before us, they have had that much more time to advance their technology. Enough time for unimaginable technological breakthroughs when one considers Moore’s Law… I hope i live to see the day when we discover/ come into contact with aliens! Who knows, it may be this friday! (21/12/12)
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@shbarton, I’ve seen similar phenomena.
@manimal, 5 flying objects moving in concert could be anything? Hardly, manimal. From my limited perspective, the most likely culprits are the military or extraterrestrials.
Since we’re assuming that the aliens are much more technologically advanced than we are, yet behave similarly, then we can assume that they can and will “…drive off the highway to look at an anthill,” as human scientists do in the name of science. Abductions could be analogous to taking population samples, although many abductees aren’t credible witnesses.
While I can’t prove that these lights are alien spaceships, consider the fact that Mars and Mercury (and maybe Venus in the past) have water ice on their surfaces. Now consider the fact that hundred of nearby stars have extrasolar planets within the stars’ habitable zones. Does it not seem possible that a large proportion of planets near a star (there are 12 stars within 10 l.y. of Sol) are likely to have water? Further, other planets could possess potential life-sustaining substances other than water.
So, I say the next time you/anyone looks up at the sky and sees something bizarre, don’t point and say, “That’s definitely not an alien.”
@manimal, I was talking about you. You seem determined to convince others that aliens don’t exist.
I see your posts on other topics as well. I think you’re an alien. I believe I asked you recently.
Please do not abduct me, or have your cronies do it.
@manimal, lol, what I love about your responses are how you claim to think you know so much about how the world and universe works, yet I can tell you barely know how to even communicate with a single person.
As far as “why would they come to see us”, while all your restrictions are valid.. you fail to understand how minds work. “If they’re intelligent, there’s nothing of value here for them.” -If humans were capable of travelling long interstellar distances, they would look for radio signals and all other “man-made” so to speak signals, and follow it. Even if they found out that a bacteria was alive on a very distant planet, they would go to it to research it. Did you already forget that we spent billions to go to Mars knowing we wont find anything that specs of potential past life? So how can you say aliens wouldnt visit us, knowing we arent as intelligent as them? If there are aliens within a certain calculable distance, and they are made of are awareness AND have the capabilities of travelling to us, they would 100% do it, even if we are just an anthill to them.
The fact that you or anyone else cant understand this simple fact boggles my mind.
@manimal, If you’re able to negate all possibility of intelligent life throughout the whole universe why is it irrational for somebody to assume life exists elsewhere? Belief man, it’s all belief.
You, for example, once stated that you thoroughly believe you’re not going die. I jokingly, to mess with you, said “eh nah you’ll die too”…to which you asked me why I would spread such a negative viewpoint across to others or even hold to that belief that we all die.
Living forever is a radical (and fun) idea but where’s the proof? Why would you live forever when seemingly everything else dies?
There is proof of life in space. Is it intelligent life? No but it is life. COULD there be intelligent life? MAYBE there could. Why do I say maybe? I say maybe for this reason – I say it simply because we are here. Now, does this make it true? No it makes it a belief. Frankly, it is what it is and finding any form of life in the universe is a ‘good sign’ for the argument of the possibility of intelligent life SOMEWHERE.
I just find it funny how a person can state that he/she believes they will live forever (when nobody else has and there is no concrete evidence whatsoever for this) but at the same time unable to accept there may be some possibility that even intelligent life itself even exists somewhere else (even though life, be it small, has been found).
Belief, it is all belief.
“Oh cuz it’s not like I have a psychological education and lots of experience…. It’s not like I succesfully sort my own and other people’s minds out proffessionally… And it’s not like they keep coming back for more help… And it’s not like I’ve learned from some of the greatest masters of mindstuff and spirituality or anything…”
- I go back and forth between either you are a complete waste of time, or just play the devil’s advocate on everything, even if you dont believe it, just to show that you can. Yet you would like me to believe that people in the real world like you? You cant even make more then a couple people on a site dedicated to love and discussion like you…But I guess you might have some people come and speak to you…I mean you do live in Sweden, the most babied country in the world. Most people have the government give them milk, change their diaper, so someone who actually speaks their mind like you do would be a refreshing change for those people. So logically, you could make good money saying whatever you spew.
Moving on. “And if their technology is so highly developed, they probably wouldn’t even remember that there ever was such a thing as radio signals.:”
-I guess this ones my fault, I wasnt clear enough, typed that last one from my phone. When I said “man-made signals, so to speak” I meant any signals that arent emitted from planets, or stars, or black holes, etc. Most intelligent species would be able to decipher that these signals arent coming from inanimate objects, rather something else, something intelligent enough to create signals. I dont want to go more into it then that, google it if you want to theres enough information out there on that. So your two+ paragraphs on that are pointless…althought I do admire you for jumping on the word “radio signals” and using it to your advantage. I thought you would be smart enough to decipher I meant over signals, not just radio signals…maybe you were, but you found a weakness in my logic and decided to attack it. Either way, moving on.
“Some (NOT ALL) people would go far away to examine some bacteria. This doesn’t imply that another intelligent life form would. Especially not one that’s much more developed than us and very different from us. Also, what you’re doing here is making claims to know how an alien reasons. How could you know that? Have you spoken to them? Are you one of them?
Didn’t think so. Your claims are empty and based upon nothing.”
- Lets discuss: Yes, not all species would go in search for the bacteria; just look at earth for example, not every species has interest in learning about any other species. Some species dont give a fuck about any other species then there own, and do everything possible to avoid it. But then comes evolution, and forming intelligence. Once a species start becoming smarter, and forms intelligence greater then its need for survival, it becomes curious. It then wants to know EVERYTHING about its surroundings. You could say this is up for debate, as is everything in life. But most scientists are in agreement that most species in the universe, once evolved enough, would then start venturing out into space to learn more about the place they call home. Like I said to start my original reply, all your restrictions are valid; meaning there are many reasons aliens wont visit us, many of the things you said. So yes, its possible alien species wont care about the rest of the universe, but for you to say “there is nothing for them to travel to us for, we have nothing to offer” is beyond idiotic.
“We spent millions to go to Mars? I didn’t. Did you? We knew there was nothing there to find? I didn’t, did you? If so, how? Had you been there?”
Im not even going to bother wasting my fingers typing this one out, your smart enough to use google, so go educate yourself on what we knew about Mars before we went there. In summation: we knew there is no intelligent life, but as far as bacteria goes, we werent sure at all. Hence we traveled to the planet to find either bacteria, or forms of life that may have lived their millions of years ago.
“If aliens are as common as you say, there’s a shitload of “anthills” out there.”
-I never once said that. you are just saying that so you can make your argument stronger without any validity. ive seen it plenty of times(mostly in politics, mind you). Its safe to assume aliens arent too common because of the amount of space we as humans have identified and observed.
“Stop thinking you know a bunch of shit you don’t.”
- see, you base your argument off a small percentage of a chance. I base my knowledge off the observable universe. There is a reason that over 95% of scientists believe that there is some form life out there in the universe. Everything in your argument is based off a slight chance that there isnt. It isnt a smart way to approach anything. A person should understand that nothing in this universe is a fact, but not base their entire arguments off the 1% chance.
Oh, and sorry for the typo’s and grammar, I type fast and have no desire to edit. If you have nothing to say, feel free to be a grammar nazi; the last defense of a defeated man.
If you could travel 1000 times the speed of light it would take you 70 years to get half way across our galaxy. If you have a book with each star in our galaxy in it and spent 1 second looking at each star, it would take you 10,000 years to complete the book. (some size ideas about our galaxy)
@manimal, You have said some pretty brilliant shit here on HE, and make it seem like you have it all together but I have to wonder, if you’ve got it all so figured out, why do you spend so much time on an internet forum?
Where all of you go wrong is that you assume that intelligence is the point of evolution when in reality it’s not. Nature doesn’t give two shits if an animal can create art.or explore space just like it doesn’t care if an animal can fly or run fast.. Evolution is not linear, species adapt to their needs. Nature just wants an animal to have the ability to survive and reproduce. For humans that meant developing superb cognitive abilities just like for birds it meant flying.
If aliens existed it would be highly unlikely that they would develop the same intellegence, yet alone the same cuisities as us. Also there may be aliens with higher cognitive abilities than us but you can’t assume they would think like us. Therefore you really can’t really assume anything about these hypothetical creatures.
Intellegence does NOT equal most evolved.
@yoinkie, “- I go back and forth between either you are a complete waste of time, or just play the devil’s advocate on everything, even if you dont believe it, just to show that you can. Yet you would like me to believe that people in the real world like you? You cant even make more then a couple people on a site dedicated to love and discussion like you…But I guess you might have some people come and speak to you…I mean you do live in Sweden, the most babied country in the world. Most people have the government give them milk, change their diaper, so someone who actually speaks their mind like you do would be a refreshing change for those people. So logically, you could make good money saying whatever you spew.”
This topic isn’t about me, it’s about aliens. Ever heard about things like “focus” and “keeping your shit together?”
The internet is a hostile and juvenile place, and friends are made in real life, not in some illusory internet world. And the “couple people” are quite numerous, your lowly strawman tactics are pathetic.
Your bullshit about Sweden is completely inaccurate as well, but that’s no surprise. Your people are typically in the dark about the world outside your region.
Which makes your claims to understand space even more ridiculous. If you don’t even know your own backyard, you don’t know the woods or the planes or the desert.
“-I guess this ones my fault, I wasnt clear enough, typed that last one from my phone. When I said “man-made signals, so to speak” I meant any signals that arent emitted from planets, or stars, or black holes, etc. Most intelligent species would be able to decipher that these signals arent coming from inanimate objects, rather something else, something intelligent enough to create signals. I dont want to go more into it then that, google it if you want to theres enough information out there on that. So your two+ paragraphs on that are pointless…althought I do admire you for jumping on the word “radio signals” and using it to your advantage. I thought you would be smart enough to decipher I meant over signals, not just radio signals…maybe you were, but you found a weakness in my logic and decided to attack it. Either way, moving on.”
I see what you’re trying to do there. Poorly disguised, (and executed) underhanded tactics again.
Either that, or you’re not intelligent to understand that the radio thing was just an example. Tech moves forward, old inferior shit is forgotten. If you found some old crude tools from the iron age you probably wouldn’t even recognize them as man-made. And that’s not that long ago, and it wasn’t made by another type of life form, but your own species.
“- Lets discuss: Yes, not all species would go in search for the bacteria; just look at earth for example, not every species has interest in learning about any other species. Some species dont give a fuck about any other species then there own, and do everything possible to avoid it. But then comes evolution, and forming intelligence. Once a species start becoming smarter, and forms intelligence greater then its need for survival, it becomes curious. It then wants to know EVERYTHING about its surroundings. You could say this is up for debate, as is everything in life. But most scientists are in agreement that most species in the universe, once evolved enough, would then start venturing out into space to learn more about the place they call home. Like I said to start my original reply, all your restrictions are valid; meaning there are many reasons aliens wont visit us, many of the things you said. So yes, its possible alien species wont care about the rest of the universe, but for you to say “there is nothing for them to travel to us for, we have nothing to offer” is beyond idiotic.”
Ah, the most common logical fallacy (and/or idiotic tactic) of them all, “a lot of people think this way, that means it’s more valid.” THAT is idiotic.
And, like many great men have said, does history record a single instance where the majority was right?
That’s right, it doesn’t.
Plus, these scientists are in agreement based upon nothing other than what they’ve seen in ONE species, humans. And they just assume that our development is the only possible path, but biology implies the difference. With hard facts. There’s an endless array of different evolutionary paths. Claiming knowledge about something you literally know nothing about is the fucking opposite of science, whatever scientists claim this shit about aliens should have their degrees nullified.
It’s because of that kind of retarded shit that science moves so damn slowly. Fuck, it’s like the dark ages all over again. But now it’s not the church that’s the problem, it’s retarded pseudo-scientists.
The true adversaries of the truth.
“Im not even going to bother wasting my fingers typing this one out, your smart enough to use google, so go educate yourself on what we knew about Mars before we went there.”
Are you an astronaut? Oh yeah you’re not, so you didn’t fucking go to Mars. “We” didn’t go to Mars, “THEY” did, a couple of space men that don’t even know you exist.
And they didn’t know anything about it before that, they had assumptions, theories, but they didn’t know. Hell, they still don’t. They’re just groping in the dark, while telling people that they know what they’re doing, when they really don’t.
If they already knew, they wouldn’t explore.
“Everything in your argument is based off a slight chance that there isnt. It isnt a smart way to approach anything. A person should understand that nothing in this universe is a fact, but not base their entire arguments off the 1% chance.”
SLIGHT chance? That’s your assumption. You don’t know what the odds are. Neither do I.
There are facts though, denying that is the signum of the imbecile. We don’t know all the facts, some of us know a bunch of them, but it’s still not much. There are facts though, only a dumbass would deny that.
As for the grammar stuff, I was just offering some advice. This is a forum for WRITTEN fucking communication. Doing that right should be prio1 for any intelligent individual using the service.
And isn’t it strange that a bunch of foreigners type way better than most of the natives? HMMMM….
Believe what you will. But believing in something doesn’t make it so.
If you keep feeding the man he will troll you like an animal..Good points, but not actually good points. I have a feeling @manimal, will question me saying, of what points do you speak?, but he knows full in well what I’m talking about, i will take a quote from one of yours ” You don’t know, What you don’t know.” and @manimal, quite frankly i thought you had relevant input into these threads, but i can see You’re more interested in flexing your knowledge and demeaning others…But hey it’s ok, because you do a really good job at it.
I also find it very strange how people talk about ‘planets that are capable of supporting life’. As if it’s beyond belief that other living creatures may require different things to us. It’s like saying that nothing can live in the sea, just because we can’t.
I’ve seen UFOs many times! Only up close 2 times though. They looked almost exactly like stars and that’s what I thought they were… until they started to fade and brighten randomly and then make sharp turns in the sky! About 70% of the time I see these at night.
Awesome! I agree with you, I just can’t get my head around us being the only living organisms in the universe…it just doesn’t sit with me.
I haven’t had an experience exactly like this, but I do remember there was this one time I was walking through the park with my mum and suddenly this hugs red ball appeared in the sky…but really quite low. It was moving perfectly straight (not seemingly falling towards the Earth) and it just stayed the same size. It was really cloe to us, and was a red/ orange colour. It was moving slowly, just parallel with the ground. We stopped and watched it and probably after 10-15 seconds it just disappeared. Gone. It was so surreal.
My thoughts on aliens is this…i agree that it illogical to not believe in aliens but i dont think that they have visited earth themselves. I think that some of the ufo’s in the sky are alien but just probes just highly advanced compared to the ones that we have..I think that the whole distance thing is much harder to over come then people think…i could be wrong
Hey, he’s the expert.
“i noticed 5 lights moving in formation across the sky about 100-200m above me. They moved relatively slowly, all the while rearranging themselves into different configurations. They didnt appear to fly, but more like float across the night sky- it was quite bizarre.”
That could have been anything. I’ve seen similar phenomena, but there’s nothing about it that implies anything about aliens. It could also have been more “falling stars,” sometimes they look that way, moving slowly “sideways.”
“The night before I saw numerous shooting stars, i spent about an hour looking up into the sky as I had heard about Geminid Meteor shower… I made a wish to see/ meet aliens- perhaps it came true! ”
I am not surprised that a person who talks about aliens also believes in falling stars :)
“Has anyone had any experiences like this?”
There’s 7 billion people in the world. And there’s been a shitload of humans before that are not around anymore.
Since you bring up probability theories, I find it very weird that you didn’t do this math.
Of course some people have experienced this stuff.
“When it comes to aliens i think it’s ridiculous to think they dont exist, as do a lot of people… ”
And I find it ridiculous to think they do exist, as do a lot of people…
Belief, dude, it’s just belief. You don’t know what you don’t know.
“Human civilization has been around for tens of thousands of years. If an alien race came about a million years before us, they have had that much more time to advance their technology.”
Time is just one small factor. Depending on how the species evolved, how smart they were, what their society was like, religion and war, cultural mentalities, other species on their planet, pandemics, natural distasters, etc. etc. etc.
they may not develop anything high-tech, or they may do so but proceed to wipe themselves out.
Space travel takes a lot of time, a whole damn huge, massive lot of time. Even when assuming that light-speed travel is even a possibility (which it’s probably not) it would still take hundreds of years for them to get here. And why would they come here? What’s in it for them?
Would you drive off the highway to look at an anthill?
And if they did come here, what makes you think they would be anything less than cruel beyond your wildest imagination? Consider what we humans have done this far, especially white man, wherever we’ve set foot we’ve fucked everything up for whoever was there before us. What makes you think potential aliens would be any different? Isn’t it much much more likely that they would be like the Khans, Vikings, or Crusaders… than your local hippie collective?
Yknow, in the past there were probably people who were excited about being visited by people from distant lands. Then they arrived, slaughtering and pillaging everyone and everything, conquering the land.
If aliens for some reason came here, it’s probably to fuck us up and take our resources.
But don’t worry, because alien visitors are just a fantasy.
The only thing that will happen on 21/12 is a bunch of looneys will be disappointed that nothing happened.
I’ve never had an experience like that but from past experiences on wishing on shooting stars I’ve made very specific wishes on stars that have come true! Also watched a documentary once on UFO’s and ive heard them described similarly so its very possible ;)
OMG, I’ve had the same experience. One night I was lying in bed looking out at the stars and wondered why the little dipper was in sight because it usually isn’t from my bedroom. I stared at it for a good 15 minutes before I noticed one of the stars was moving. Eventually all of them were slowly drifting in circles around each other ever so slightly. Just to make sure I wasn’t imagining it, I yelled for my brother and we sat and watched it together. At some point they stared to fade and it was if it never even happened.
Now when I look in that particular area of the sky, I get this eerie and uncomfortable feeling.
@tine NO U, Marvin the Martian.
@cheeky, See past my rigidity into your imagination? Sorry bro, I don’t think that’s possible, and even if it is I’m not interested.
@cognizantelephant, Travelling at the speed of light would require dissolving into rays of light, then somehow morphing back when the destination is reached.
Everything seems to imply that organic matter can’t do that. And how would you know you’re there, if you’re just a light surge without a brain?
Matter can’t reach those speeds, you’d have to dissolve and rearrange. How would you do that?
@boribori90, But why would they travel thousands of lightyears off course just guessing that there’s some lesser creature there to study? And yknow, they’d probably have all sorts of lesser creatures on their own planet.
If you have an anthill in your backyard, would you drive off the highway to look at another anthill?
What would they need population samples for? That makes no sense.
Abductees aren’t credible witnesses? Well, they aren’t abductees, so they couldn’t be credible.
Drugs and sleep paralysis can cause all sorts of hallucinations, aliens and abduction are common themes. Then there’s also the patsy failsafe, puppeteers implant false memories of things like alien abduction to cover their trails, and to make sure even if the subject speaks up nobody will believe them, eventually the subject goes insane.
Venus and Mars are not in the habitable zone. Sure there’s 12 suns within 10 light years, but do they have suitable planets? Apparently not, since scientists keep going “Oh shit we found a planet similar to ours in the other end of the galaxy! This is great news!”
Why would they do that if they thought there were closer ones? Hmm?
Even if a planet is suitable for life, the odds for organic matter to form are very very small. And even if organic matter does take shape, the chances that it would become a sustainable living thing are infinitesimally tiny. Scientists haven’t been able to sustain the organic matter they’ve created, and they’re doing things intentionally and with understanding, in nature it’s all just a matter of chance.
And let’s say lifeforms do take shape, and they manage to survive, then what makes you so sure they would evolve? Maybe there’s unknown conditions for that, there very well could be, and that would make the chances ever more slim.
If they do mutate and evolve, what makes you so sure that they would develop intelligence, or develop in any way similar to the creatures of our planet? Hmm?
If they do somehow get to the point of civilization like we have, how are you so sure they won’t destroy themselves with religion and war? Or that mutant diseases or natural disasters won’t wipe them all out? Or crazy experiments leading to their demise?
But let’s say they had enough intelligence, time, and ability to create hyper tech devices such as efficient space ships. What makes you so sure they’d have the materials and resources? Or the willingness?
How do you know they wouldn’t fear space and possible other civilizations in distant solar systems and decide to never go to space? Or a mentality/religion/law preventing space travel?
If they somehow succeeded in all those things. How and why would they come here? What would be their incentive?
If intelligent species are as common as you guys think (which is just a belief founded upon nothing) then there’s bound to be another inhabited planet much closer to them. And several other planets full of resources.
The notion that aliens would come here doesn’t make any sense at all, no matter how you bend it.
If they’re intelligent, there’s nothing of value here for them.
A friend of mine told me late last year that an object had been detected in a distant star system that was defying Redshift physics. It was heading our direction faster than the speed of light and ETA was predicted to be last March. I don’t pay much attention to such things though.
The manimal has a point.
Yo what if life is only possible through the ever slim ratio of star size to planet size/distance from the sun that earth has. If we were even meters further from the sun maybe we would have never evolved as we have.
Maybe it IS infinitely impossible that we exist. Still there would at least be two or three others of us at LEAST. At LEAST.. You FAGGOTS.
@manimal, I can’t prove/disprove/whatever most of those points, but that doesn’t change the fact that people are frequently seeing these fucking amazing lights doing tricks and synchronizing in ways that our technology, to my knowledge, can’t replicate.
The resources problem is actually an easy fix, since there are so many planets and asteroids floating around, just waiting for an advanced civilization to mine them. From there, they would have the means to pursue many ends. Motivation? Maybe survival, exploration, competition?
The presence of water ice on mercury, venus, and mars simply speaks to the ubiquity of water throughout the cosmos. That ice could melt as the habitable zones change size in response to the aging stars.
I know about the “abuductees,” they just fit nicely into the analogy.
I think it is possible that they have something to gain from visiting earth. To try to convince others that they don’t, despite all the sightings is…sort of condescending, honestly, to both the audience and any E.Ts. Even just pretending that we can understand their minds is arrogant.
So, if seeing is believing, then plenty of people have plenty of reason to believe. Whether they’re actually E.T? I don’t know, but that’s what it looks like to me. What do you think they are?
Someone uploaded this video to HE and I watched it today, It’s Niel DeGrasse, I had never considered the last point he talks about on this video (or at least not in that way) and sounds like a perfect explanation of why an alien civilization wouldn’t bother on visiting us, if they haven’t already…
@danfontaine, That is a big thing that S.E.T.I (the Search for Extra-Terestrial Intelligence) type organizations are looking for, star systems that have stars similar to ours (yellow/orange/red dwarf) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
Another thing is that there are stars similar in many ways but their radioactive output is vastly different, on levels deadly to us and life as we know it.
They are also looking for stars like this that have planets in a relative orbit to Earth in accord to energy output of the star and distance of effect of that energy. Planets that are big enough to have tectonic plates but not so big that their gravity would crush life as we know it.
But our idea of what conditions life can possibly exist in is generally small but scientifically large. The idea that places in our own system may support life have been entertained http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon) that a molten core may provide the conditions for aquatic life to spawn. Also life in extreme situations like volcanic and steam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_vent and high pressures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_sea and space bacteria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
I think I had a UFO experience not exactly sure, but I was walking down the street heading home one day and I happened to look in the sky. I saw a bright light hovering not far up from a house, then a few seconds later it was gone. (I believe I blinked and it was gone?) To this day I don’t know if it was a real experience or not, but I never hallucinated about anything in my life and I never used drugs, so it’s a bit of credibility to myself that this was probably real.
on Sunday night driving home around 12:30am I saw this red light in the sky.. at first I thought it was mars or some really bright star.. then it grew a little bit bigger.. then faded away in a instant.
Am i the only person who wouldn’t go running around saying “aliens!!!”
@shbarton, I’m not doubting your story at all, UFO’s have been spotted all over the world, by millions of people. But when you take into account that almost all sightings (At least here in the United States, I have little geographical knowledge of Australia) are near military bases, it’s not hard to put 2+2 together. The other problem I have believing that UFO’s are aliens is the fact that, well, the universe is really fucking big. There’s not really any way to comprehend how large it is. So to say that a technologically advanced species that has presumably mastered faster-than-light travel, came to Earth, to what? Fly around in the sky? The odds of any other species in the universe even FINDING Earth is astronomical (See what I did there? :D). I have absolutely zero doubt that aliens exist somewhere out there. But I do doubt that any of them have ever been to or found Earth. Likely if they did, we would never have any clue or hint to their existence. Remember, technology and all that.
TL;DR-UFO’s probably aren’t aliens, use some sense, HEthens.
All “UFO sightings” are from man-made aircraft.
Let me explain why I believe this;
The technology we have available to us is far surpassed what we know right now. The top-secret projects around the world, including the US must be incredible. Look up “The Rainbow” project – this was from the 40′s. Who knows if it is true or not.
We had the stealth bomber years before it came out, and I’m pretty sure we have some insane shit happening now. To the OP: Are you near an airport?
What better place to test fly anything other than in the desert, near the airport?
Why there isn’t aliens visitung us:
The “cosmic speed limit”.
There may be ways to get around it, worm holes, and so forth, but in reality – there does not seem to be a way to travel faster than the speed of light, and if we can’t surpass that, contacting other life forms isn’t going to be a possibility unless we dedicate hundreds if not thousands of generations aboard some spacecraft to make the distant travel… Hopefully we have fusion by then.
I agree with your thoughts on the existence of aliens, but why the fuck would a couple of strange lights in the sky be a UFO? if I had a nickle for every time a person swears to have seen a UFO and the discovers it was a fucking lamppost or a planet, or whatever – point is, you have 0 reason to believe it’s a UFO (well in the practical meaning of the word, not the actual) So why discuss it untill you have some sort of solid argument as to what the hell makes it an alien crafted object?
@spaceghost, Trying to convince people? Lol.
I’m just keeping it real and bringing some logic.
If I was an alien, why would I say aliens probably aren’t real? That would mean denying my own existence. And it would also be retarded, seeing how I would have (be) proof of the opposite.
I am not an alien. I am not a mithria/antichrist. I am not Bashar. I am not a robot. And I am not any of the other crazy shit HEthens seem to think I am.
I am just a manimal.
@boribori90, Amazing lights doing tricks? Wow, must be aliens….
Ever heard of a disco ball or a lazer haha?
In my town there’s frequently weird lights that look almost like stars, moving around in the sky, and those are from the spotlights on the concert hall.
There’s also airplanes and satellites flying all over the world all the time, those have lights on them as well.
How would aliens mine the asteroids and planets if they had no way to reach them?
Why would a strife for survival or competition bring them to our planet, of all the billions and… billions of planets to choose from? Hmm?
And why would they want to explore us, if there’s so many other aliens to explore? Hmm?
Water is not a miracle, it’s just a combination of two common, basic gases. It’s no wonder it’s all over the place.
Sure it could freeze and melt, even evaporate, how is that a big deal? It takes a lot more than water for life to have a chance.
Science knows for a fact that there’s a lot more conditions required. And the most likely scenario is that there’s a few metric shitloads of other required conditions that we haven’t found out yet.
There’s nothing condescending about what I say. The fact still remains, if there are hyper-intelligent lifeforms trekking through the universe, we’re about as interesting to them as piss in the Mississippi is to us. We’re just a fart in space in comparison.
And if E.T.s were so common like you say, that means they are in the audience. It’s interesting how you keep the two apart… why is that? Hmm….
“So, if seeing is believing, then plenty of people have plenty of reason to believe. Whether they’re actually E.T? I don’t know, but that’s what it looks like to me. What do you think they are?”
Reason to believe? Not really. An unknown phenomenon is not evidence of anything known or thought-to-be-known. The only thing proven by something strange going on… is that something strange is going on.
“What it looks like to me” is not about seeing, it’s about thinking. PROJECTING. It doesn’t really look like that, it’s what you turn it into. I could look at an orange in the street and say “looks like someone robbed the orange truck and ran for the woods, and accidentally dropped an orange right here.” That does not mean it is so, that does not mean it really looks anything like it, just that I like to think that way.
What do I think those lights are? Well… lights. What else? Lights are lights.
I could come up with all sorts of theories, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything supporting those theories, other than my own imagination.
I don’t know what I don’t know, and I am aware of that and have no problem accepting it, I feel no need to fill in the blanks with nonsense. I recognize that there are blanks, and I’m ok with that.
I’d rather look for a proper answer than make someshit up. Or yknow, simply not give a damn and keep doing my thing, regardless of seeing things that I can’t explain.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that you don’t know what you don’t know, that there’s no reason to fill in the blanks with projections, to conjure an “answer” from imagination.
I want to know how things really are. That means I must not jump conclusions or project weird theories. Because doing so prevents the truth from coming through.
If you would rather imagine than know, then by all means do so. Just realize that spreading your illusions can be very harmful to other people’s minds.
And realize that what you’re doing is closing your mind.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
Believe in what you can see.
Only the mind is capable of lies.
See with your eyes, hear with your ears, smell with your nose, feel with your skin, taste with your mouth, and leave your imagination and ego out of it.
Because they are only capable of projections and illusions.
Your senses are reality, the world outside your mind is reality, it cannot ever lie, it is always as factual as anything can be.
Mind is not reality.
What do you want more?
“You don’t know what you don’t know.
Believe in what you can see.
Only the mind is capable of lies.
See with your eyes, hear with your ears, smell with your nose, feel with your skin, taste with your mouth, and leave your imagination and ego out of it.
Because they are only capable of projections and illusions.
Your senses are reality, the world outside your mind is reality, it cannot ever lie, it is always as factual as anything can be.
Mind is not reality.”
If sense is reality, what of the orchestration between them? Surely the ego/mind plays a vital role in accurate sensation.
@yoinkie, Antagonistic as usual, I see.
I don’t know how to communicate? Haha, that’s funny. Communication is what I do, it’s my specialty, and it’s working pretty damn well.
I don’t understand how the mind works? Oh cuz it’s not like I have a psychological education and lots of experience…. It’s not like I succesfully sort my own and other people’s minds out proffessionally… And it’s not like they keep coming back for more help… And it’s not like I’ve learned from some of the greatest masters of mindstuff and spirituality or anything…
What makes you think you know better than I do? Hmm?
As if that wasn’t enough, you gotta realize that a highly developed superhuman mind, one that developed in a completely different place, under completely different conditions, as in alien visitors’ minds… would not be like your mind.
And if their technology is so highly developed, they probably wouldn’t even remember that there ever was such a thing as radio signals. If I talked about birch horn signals, would you even know what I was talking about? Hmm?
Well, it was a method farmers used to communicate over long distances up until about two hundred years ago. Now it’s forgotten, almost nobody would knows that it ever existed. And it was very common in some regions.
Like I said, that was just a couple of centuries ago, and it was used for a long time.
In a few hundred years, that’s probably true for radio as well. And when you talk about the long-ass type that people usually suggest would be required to develop space travel and such… radio will be forgotten by then.
Let’s have another example. If an ant was trying to get your attention, and you weren’t looking directly at it very closely, would you even notice it? Hmm?
And what makes you so sure those aliens ever discovered or used radio? Seriously, it is extremely unlikely that another civilization would come up with the same things as ours has. Where we had radio, they may have had something completely different.
Some (NOT ALL) people would go far away to examine some bacteria. This doesn’t imply that another intelligent life form would. Especially not one that’s much more developed than us and very different from us.
Also, what you’re doing here is making claims to know how an alien reasons. How could you know that? Have you spoken to them? Are you one of them?
Didn’t think so. Your claims are empty and based upon nothing.
We spent millions to go to Mars? I didn’t. Did you?
We knew there was nothing there to find? I didn’t, did you? If so, how? Had you been there?
Even more ridiculous claims from you.
” If there are aliens within a certain calculable distance, and they are made of are awareness AND have the capabilities of travelling to us,”
You lost me halfway through, with those confusing broken sentences and crazy grammatical errors.
And you claim I don’t know how to communicate. Lol.
They would 100% do it? That’s another one of your crazy claims. You don’t know that, you’re just making shit up.
If aliens are as common as you say, there’s a shitload of “anthills” out there. And a lot of those were bound to be very much more interesting than ours.
The fact that you and most other people don’t think things through before jumping conclusions and spewing bullshit is very amusing.
It’s become very, VERY obvious that I’ve thought this through a bunch of steps further than you have.
Stop thinking you know a bunch of shit you don’t. It’s amusing, yes, but also very, VERY distasteful and an eyesore.
And the effects it has on your mind, and thereby your life… not so pretty.
I believe in aliens or some other form of species it is very egotistical as human beings which we are to believe that we are the only living beings in this universe. I mean compared to what other possible beings there might be out there and how futuristic they might me we may only be little ants compared. I have heard while talking with other people that aliens might have already been among us only now becoming more visible i mean if they traveled light years maybe further you have to think that they probably have the technology to become invisible. Maybe they are trying to become more visible for a reason i suggest going to youtube and looking into crop circles (crazy) I know but dont brush them off i mean seriously we dont have the technology to be making crop circles like that and the measurements are too perfect even the robotics we have today have a 99.99% chance of imperfections. So then are those circles perfect.
Everyone that is arguing that there IS definitively aliens that visit us, you are basing your opinion on things that can’t be studied and that there is no actual proof of. Yes the likely hood of alien life is very probable, but how likely is it to travel such distances and why repeatedly visit us? It is all just speculation.
@chodebalm No nothing like that video- (i wish though) they were far less bright and a lot closer and smaller.
Like i said before, i think it’s near stupidity to assume that we are the only life in our universe.
All life on earth is alien by our standard, if we only came from another planet. Why are we so special? We exist on a planet orbiting an average star, which is in the middle of an average spiral galaxy.
@manimal i never said i saw an alien, i chose the words UFO for a reason. The implication is that they are indeed ‘aliens’ is just inherent from a countless other stories….
With regards to the anthill you have a very very good point. Neil de grasse tyson (video linked above) compared alien life and their intelligence to humans and chimps. Whilst we share 99% of our DNA with chimps, we can do a shit load more than they ever could. So what if our DNA was 1% different to that of an alien, but we are the chimps and they are the humans? Their capabilities would dwarf ours immensely.
The speed of light is the universal speed limit… but who’s to say a linear, direct approach to travelling across the universe is how ‘aliens’ would do it? Who’s to say that travelling through a wormhole or anything of the sort is impossible? We do not know at the moment, we dont have the capabilities. But who know’s it could indeed be possible!
“has anyone had any experiences like this?” I was asking HE, not the entire population and their ancestors. Dont take things so literally
So wishing on a shooting star is somewhat closed minded and childish… I’m a pretty smart/educated guy- i still touch wood to avoid a jinx and i have to have the volume on a nice number- it’s what makes us human!
@josephm I dont think it was a hallucination… the friend i was with saw it as well.
Just to reiterate what @ladyartemis said about crop circles
Everyone should have a look at some of the videos on them on youtube… i used to by very skeptical. After seeing some of them and knowing the time it would have taken for the to have been made and bla bla bla… it’s quite bizarre.
One of the video’s talks about the crop that had beenaffected in the crop circle, and how there were weird radiation readings recorded The coolest thing in my view was that the crop that was affected proceeded to grow faster and appeared more healthy when compared to the unaffected crop.
Check out this video on faking UFO’s
It has 300,000 views. Well I do believe there is some other life (if you could call it that) out there. I think the odds are 10^100 (that’s a googol) times better that you’re just being trolled by me or one of the other 300,00 viewers
@shbarton, While the probability of aliens in our universe are extremely high. The probability that the lights you saw in the sky that night were aliens are extremely extremely low.
1) You only saw lights in the sky and you assumed it was a UFO it seems like a huge stretch of the imagination to make such an inference from just that
2) Just because an organism has been in the universe a very long time doesn’t mean they evolve to have intelligence in the way we see it, (E.g Plants have been here long before animals and they can’t even walk) every organism adapts to suit their environment evolution isn’t linear
3) Wouldn’t they search for life closer to where they live like we did by going to mars
@manimal, Okay haha the last part made me chuckle a bit.
It’s obvious that you possess solid rhetorical skills, and while I admire your professed realism on the matter, is the idea of intelligent life from other planets really so bizarre?
“There’s nothing condescending about what I say. The fact still remains, if there are hyper-intelligent lifeforms trekking through the universe, we’re about as interesting to them as piss in the Mississippi is to us. We’re just a fart in space in comparison.
And if E.T.s were so common like you say, that means they are in the audience. It’s interesting how you keep the two apart… why is that? Hmm….”
-By “condescending,” I mean two things: One is telling us/the audience that our views are idiotic while implying yours are infallible. You’re a human too, buddy. Let’s relax here. Memento Mori and all that jazz.
-Two is assuming that you have any idea of what they’re capable of, or how they see us.
-E.T + Audience? I don’t know how you arrived at that connection, but it’s off point.
yadayadayada Nothing personal, but I really don’t care to answer all those why questions. This tread is more of a “what”/”whether” issue.
Basically, here’s my side of the issue:
Planets, which could support life, are showing up on our radar pretty frequently these days. Plenty of them are nearby and look appealing in a life-sustaining way too.
I’ve seen UFOs twice in my life. One was doing huge flips in the middle of the night, shot off a couple smaller lights, then changed colors and froze midair for a while before resuming the flipping. The second flew much lower than most news helicopters I’ve seen, and had 3 large, orange lights. If you held up a quarter at arms length and lined it up with one of the lights, the penny would just start to cover the light. (6 months ago, so the memory is reasonably fresh). These could be man-made or of alien origin. A family member of mine also worked for the U.S government, and he told me that the government deals with more than just experimental aircraft…namely, with crafts from space. (I’ll post what he says next time I speak with him)
So that’s what I know about UFOs.
What you say about projection is interesting, though. Thanks for the new perspective.
AAAAND I’m done. Goodnight everyone. Say no to probes.
‘It’s not like I succesfully sort my own and other people’s minds out proffessionally… And it’s not like they keep coming back for more help… And it’s not like I’ve learned from some of the greatest masters of mindstuff and spirituality or anything…’
Someone’s got themselves a life coaching certificate and a copy of ‘The art of Happiness’, haven’t they!
@shbarton, And anyone else reading.. There is no doubt in my mind that I have had numerous ufo experiences. I know I am blessed with some sort of gift from the cosmos, because the amount of shooting stars, random times I step outside only to see something I cant explain in the sky has happend to me more times than ive probably heard Call me maybe. Lol, If i went into complete detail i’d write a book on here but i’ll do my best. I remember seeing an orange ball in the sky while at a gas station in Florida. I was young so I asked my mom what it was..it was the first time I can remember she didnt have an answer for something. Other people pumping gas saw it as well. It eventually dissapeard and everyone awkwardly went on with their business. Since then I have seen 2 other orange-ish red lights. One was more red..it seemed to be bouncing in the sky like it was attatched to a yoyo. As me and my friend stared at it in amazement/terror it stopped then sped off at what seemed the speed of light. My friend claims she saw something hangin from it but i didnt. The 3rd one was very close. 2 friends and I were on my roof looking at the ring around the moon that happens due to climate n whatnot. My girl grabbed my arm ad said ” UM what the hell is that?” while pointing at a diamond shaped orange light moving slowly in our direction about 4 blocks away. I said, It’s either a plane flying oddly low towards us or aliens.. I said this expecting it to be a plane, but I realized it was not flashing..there was no noise.. and its light seemed to be pulsating while changing shape from a diamond to a circle. MIND BLOWN. My guy friend who was also on the roof had not a single word to say. I proceeded to say ” we come in peace! ” It dimmed down 3 times and agian, seemed to move at the speed of light. It was beautiful :]
It makes a lot of sense from a psychological stand point that people would believe in aliens and U.F.Os. For both sides of the arguement; Fear and hope.
People are have always been afraid that some superior power will come along and take what they have, their homes, their lives. This is a big reason for the stance on gun rights in the U.S, people fear the commies, terrorists or a paraphrased quote “Is that what you want? The King of England coming here and pushing you around?”.
As our basically allied western nations go, technologically we do not have much to fear, even if threatening nations develop good war technologies, our mass production capabilities absolutely dominates any threat, and so we invent new threats, or potential threats, to justify our paranoia and spending, Aliens.
On the flip side, another big reason is hope. People see humanity as failing and we are so incompetent that only an intervention can help us. Aliens present the possibility that a much wiser and dominant force can intercede in our erronous ways and guide us to a better tommorow.
Our solar system has 9 planets. One of which is inhabitable by life; 1/9. Our solar system surrounds one star in our galaxy. There is 200 – 400 billion stars in the galaxy. So up to 400 billion possible solar systems. Then their is an unknown amount of galaxies, on top of the estimated possible 500 billion galaxies.
Alien life is mathematically probable.
Considering the frequency manimal argues on this site too; its mathematically probable he has too much spare time. Literally I stopped coming on this site because it was too time consuming… come back for a check up.. look who’s still top debater lol.
@manimal, There is more than the fact that you would have to travel at the speed of light. Scientists have already tested this with some particles, so we’re well on our way there. But besides that, there are theories of loop holes and worm holes through space that would make travelling easier. Sure, it’s just a theory, but you should keep an open mind. There is so much out there we don’t understand.
It’s amusing how people get so butthurt just because people oppose their silly jumped conclusions.
@classik62 That’s an ugly-ass strawman you’re building there. And why?
@quazaar My cranium isn’t very elastic. Is yours?
Maybe one day YOU will understand.
@savmot Among other things, yes… but how’s that relevant to the thread.
@kayla147258 Those are theories yes, beliving in them is no less close-minded than disbelieving. I’ve already taken those into consideration, I’ve done a lot of thinking on this stuff. More than most it seems.
Check yourself before calling others close-minded, gurrrl!
@shbarton, Well, we have 40% identical dna with mold. So indeed, a small difference is a huge difference.
The capabilities of a more highly developed intelligent life form would obviously dwarf ours, but what it seems you overlooked is just how different they would be. And in extent, their ideas, ambitions, and so on. Their relation to space could be very different, incomprehensible to us, hell their very form could be intangible to us. Why would they need spaceships with lights on them if they were so superhuman?
Wormhole travel could be possible, yes, but it could also be impossible. Hell, even the idea of wormholes could be dead wrong.
And about the lightspeed travel thing, ever consider how much shit there is out there that you would collide with? There’s no way you could dodge that at the speed of light, which means you’d need some sort of pathfinding system, which also means a much much longer distance covered, meaning it takes even more time. This applies even if you’d use wormholes or black holes (if that even works,) and even if you don’t reach speeds anywhere close to the speed of light.
Instead of telling people to not take things so literally, how about formulating your words more properly? This is written communication, good syntax is key. That broken grammar and those diffuse statements and questions generate a lot of communicative noise, which is something to avoid.
@boribori90, Where did I say your views are idiotic and mine are infallible? That’s a very lowly projection, some kind of rhetorical tactic perhaps?
Dude I’m not saying I’m right, I’m barely even making statements or sharing my views, I’m only questioning. Asking questions, seeing how much you’ve really thought things through.
And your unwillingness (inability? Hmm?) to answer my questions implies a whole lot.
Pretty much proving my point, that you guys have no idea at all what you’re talking about. Irrational beliefs and theories that are barely thought through, like I presumed.
Planets which could support life show up on our radars? That’s not the whole story. They’re planets that scientists BELIEVE can support life, they’re not that certain. “Nearby” is still a very, VERY long distance from us, many many lightyears away. Even if there was lightspeed travel, it would take an incredibly long-ass time to travel from one to the other.
As for the UFOs. Like someone said earlier, cutting edge technology is a lot more cutting edge than anything the masses have ever seen. It really takes decades before the new stuff reaches the masses (unless it’s a 100% mass commercial product idea.) And it’s not just the organized stuff either.
Reminds me of an old UFO experience of mine. It was two and a half years ago, I was staying at my friend’s house in the middle of nowhere. We saw some strange lights in the sky at night, and it sounded kind of like a helicopter. He said he’d seen it before and had no idea what it was, he thought it was alien. Then we started seeing it in the middle of the day too, and it looked like a really weird helicopter thing. It was always flying in the same direction, and there’s nothing in that direction except a lake and a lot of forest.
One day we were by the lake, and the thing flew right over us, and we saw it was landing not too far away, so we went to check it out. What we found was just that, a very strange helicopter, parked next to a small summer house in the middle of nowhere. The man in the house saw us and came out to ask us what we were doing there. We told him, and asked him about the vehicle. He explained that it was a one of a kind “home-made” German aircraft, cutting edge stuff. I don’t think it was even legal to fly, let alone registered anywhere.
What I’m saying is, there’s inventors and various rich people that have all kinds of fancy tech tools and toys that people know nothing about. And if you have something like that, you use it, right? And then there’s governments, military and such, they’re bound to have even more of that stuff.
And yknow, you can attach big lights to most aircrafts without any complications.
I’ve seen a bunch of weird lights in the sky, but I don’t believe one bit that it’s alien. That’s pretty much the most far-fetched theory of all the ones that are available, it really isn’t logical at all. And there’s nothing concrete to base it upon.
And you know what, it wasn’t that long ago people thought Aurora Borealis was aliens, and the midnight sun, and all sorts of phenomena like that.
Just like fairies, elves, spirits, and all that jazz. It’s all just silly jumped conclusions, and time and time again, it becomes proven that it’s all dead wrong. See the pattern?
Just superstition and irrational beliefs, over and over again being proven wrong by hard evidence. It’s just a matter of time before we see the same thing happen to all the alien theories.
And this family member of yours. How high is their position, and in what branch of the government?
Probes are like drugs, nobody turns them down haha.
–If I was an alien, why would I say aliens probably aren’t real? –
welllll, one could argue that the aliens wish to keep their existence a secret, and if Marvin is involved, that’s as much a guarantee that you could get. don’t let his high pitched voice fool you, its all an act!
See the pattern?
-Yea, I see it.
And this family member of yours. How high is their position, and in what branch of the government?
-He was a Dutch Army officer in his youth. He moved to U.S when he was in his 40′s or 50′s and worked at Area 51.
[If they do somehow get to the point of civilization like we have, how are you so sure they won’t destroy themselves with religion and war? Or that mutant diseases or natural disasters won’t wipe them all out? Or crazy experiments leading to their demise? How would aliens mine the asteroids and planets if they had no way to reach them? Why would a strife for survival or competition bring them to our planet, of all the billions and… billions of planets to choose from? Hmm? And why would they want to explore us, if there’s so many other aliens to explore?]
-I don’t answer these questions out of disrespect or blunt ignorance, but because there’s no real way for me to answer them correctly. I also don’t want to muddle the argument with rapid-fire theories. I just want to assert my viewpoint that aliens could be causing some of those lights, and to believe so is reasonable, although far from conclusive.
Where did I say your views are idiotic and mine are infallible?
- It wasn’t stated (My fault. I should have chosen my words more wisely.) you implied it, tyrannically.
That’s a very lowly projection, some kind of rhetorical tactic perhaps?
- Not so much a tactic but a “projection” of what I know about people in arguments + my old rhetoric professor’s teachings. …Person A thinks their way of thinking is right, ergo everyone else must be wrong about everything. It’s a power thing.
- I get what you’re saying; Self-deception is easy, truth is out there.
- And dude, probe dealers are a real threat to the community. The swift boot of justice shall prevail!
Please continue with more on topic discussions. HE is not a children’s playground, please discuss your personal stuff somewhere else. If we will continue to throw mud at each other like little children, I will close the topic.
Since the Universe (or should I say Universes) is infinitely big, I believe there are also infinitely big amounts of planets with life on it, in fact, I believe that going beyond our three dimensional realm, every moment that has ever existed and will ever exist on our earth, does actually in fact exist already somewhere else, because time and space are our limited believes. Furthermore, since the Universe is infinitely big (I will believe so unless somebody can proof me the contrary), I believe that every possible reality/possibility of whatever possible action, individual and collective (actually there is no individual, only a collective), does exist somewhere as well.