My UFO Experience
On Saturday the 15th of December, i had just gotten back to my friends place after a birthday dinner. Before walking into the house, i looked up to see the stars ( i have just moved back to Australia, not used to seeing so many in the sky; it’s quite amazing). After a few seconds, i noticed 5 lights moving in formation across the sky about 100-200m above me. They moved relatively slowly, all the while rearranging themselves into different configurations. They didnt appear to fly, but more like float across the night sky- it was quite bizarre. I told the friend i was with to look up, he saw them for a few seconds.
The night before I saw numerous shooting stars, i spent about an hour looking up into the sky as I had heard about Geminid Meteor shower… I made a wish to see/ meet aliens- perhaps it came true!
Has anyone had any experiences like this?
When it comes to aliens i think it’s ridiculous to think they dont exist, as do a lot of people…
Human civilization has been around for tens of thousands of years. If an alien race came about a million years before us, they have had that much more time to advance their technology. Enough time for unimaginable technological breakthroughs when one considers Moore’s Law… I hope i live to see the day when we discover/ come into contact with aliens! Who knows, it may be this friday! (21/12/12)
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@manimal, I can’t prove/disprove/whatever most of those points, but that doesn’t change the fact that people are frequently seeing these fucking amazing lights doing tricks and synchronizing in ways that our technology, to my knowledge, can’t replicate.
The resources problem is actually an easy fix, since there are so many planets and asteroids floating around, just waiting for an advanced civilization to mine them. From there, they would have the means to pursue many ends. Motivation? Maybe survival, exploration, competition?
The presence of water ice on mercury, venus, and mars simply speaks to the ubiquity of water throughout the cosmos. That ice could melt as the habitable zones change size in response to the aging stars.
I know about the “abuductees,” they just fit nicely into the analogy.
I think it is possible that they have something to gain from visiting earth. To try to convince others that they don’t, despite all the sightings is…sort of condescending, honestly, to both the audience and any E.Ts. Even just pretending that we can understand their minds is arrogant.
So, if seeing is believing, then plenty of people have plenty of reason to believe. Whether they’re actually E.T? I don’t know, but that’s what it looks like to me. What do you think they are?
Our solar system has 9 planets. One of which is inhabitable by life; 1/9. Our solar system surrounds one star in our galaxy. There is 200 – 400 billion stars in the galaxy. So up to 400 billion possible solar systems. Then their is an unknown amount of galaxies, on top of the estimated possible 500 billion galaxies.
Alien life is mathematically probable.
Considering the frequency manimal argues on this site too; its mathematically probable he has too much spare time. Literally I stopped coming on this site because it was too time consuming… come back for a check up.. look who’s still top debater lol.
Awesome! I agree with you, I just can’t get my head around us being the only living organisms in the universe…it just doesn’t sit with me.
I haven’t had an experience exactly like this, but I do remember there was this one time I was walking through the park with my mum and suddenly this hugs red ball appeared in the sky…but really quite low. It was moving perfectly straight (not seemingly falling towards the Earth) and it just stayed the same size. It was really cloe to us, and was a red/ orange colour. It was moving slowly, just parallel with the ground. We stopped and watched it and probably after 10-15 seconds it just disappeared. Gone. It was so surreal.
Where all of you go wrong is that you assume that intelligence is the point of evolution when in reality it’s not. Nature doesn’t give two shits if an animal can create art.or explore space just like it doesn’t care if an animal can fly or run fast.. Evolution is not linear, species adapt to their needs. Nature just wants an animal to have the ability to survive and reproduce. For humans that meant developing superb cognitive abilities just like for birds it meant flying.
If aliens existed it would be highly unlikely that they would develop the same intellegence, yet alone the same cuisities as us. Also there may be aliens with higher cognitive abilities than us but you can’t assume they would think like us. Therefore you really can’t really assume anything about these hypothetical creatures.
Intellegence does NOT equal most evolved.
@ojai, “There is proof of life in space”
What!?!?! I haven’t heard of this, and I feel like this would be a big deal. And you say it so subtly too. Any resource’s or information on this would be intresting
@manimal, I was talking about you. You seem determined to convince others that aliens don’t exist.
I see your posts on other topics as well. I think you’re an alien. I believe I asked you recently.
Please do not abduct me, or have your cronies do it.
@manimal, There is more than the fact that you would have to travel at the speed of light. Scientists have already tested this with some particles, so we’re well on our way there. But besides that, there are theories of loop holes and worm holes through space that would make travelling easier. Sure, it’s just a theory, but you should keep an open mind. There is so much out there we don’t understand.
I agree with your thoughts on the existence of aliens, but why the fuck would a couple of strange lights in the sky be a UFO? if I had a nickle for every time a person swears to have seen a UFO and the discovers it was a fucking lamppost or a planet, or whatever – point is, you have 0 reason to believe it’s a UFO (well in the practical meaning of the word, not the actual) So why discuss it untill you have some sort of solid argument as to what the hell makes it an alien crafted object?
See the pattern?
-Yea, I see it.
And this family member of yours. How high is their position, and in what branch of the government?
-He was a Dutch Army officer in his youth. He moved to U.S when he was in his 40′s or 50′s and worked at Area 51.
[If they do somehow get to the point of civilization like we have, how are you so sure they won’t destroy themselves with religion and war? Or that mutant diseases or natural disasters won’t wipe them all out? Or crazy experiments leading to their demise? How would aliens mine the asteroids and planets if they had no way to reach them? Why would a strife for survival or competition bring them to our planet, of all the billions and… billions of planets to choose from? Hmm? And why would they want to explore us, if there’s so many other aliens to explore?]
-I don’t answer these questions out of disrespect or blunt ignorance, but because there’s no real way for me to answer them correctly. I also don’t want to muddle the argument with rapid-fire theories. I just want to assert my viewpoint that aliens could be causing some of those lights, and to believe so is reasonable, although far from conclusive.
Where did I say your views are idiotic and mine are infallible?
- It wasn’t stated (My fault. I should have chosen my words more wisely.) you implied it, tyrannically.
That’s a very lowly projection, some kind of rhetorical tactic perhaps?
- Not so much a tactic but a “projection” of what I know about people in arguments + my old rhetoric professor’s teachings. …Person A thinks their way of thinking is right, ergo everyone else must be wrong about everything. It’s a power thing.
- I get what you’re saying; Self-deception is easy, truth is out there.
- And dude, probe dealers are a real threat to the community. The swift boot of justice shall prevail!
@shbarton, While the probability of aliens in our universe are extremely high. The probability that the lights you saw in the sky that night were aliens are extremely extremely low.
1) You only saw lights in the sky and you assumed it was a UFO it seems like a huge stretch of the imagination to make such an inference from just that
2) Just because an organism has been in the universe a very long time doesn’t mean they evolve to have intelligence in the way we see it, (E.g Plants have been here long before animals and they can’t even walk) every organism adapts to suit their environment evolution isn’t linear
3) Wouldn’t they search for life closer to where they live like we did by going to mars
Someone uploaded this video to HE and I watched it today, It’s Niel DeGrasse, I had never considered the last point he talks about on this video (or at least not in that way) and sounds like a perfect explanation of why an alien civilization wouldn’t bother on visiting us, if they haven’t already…
@manimal, You have said some pretty brilliant shit here on HE, and make it seem like you have it all together but I have to wonder, if you’ve got it all so figured out, why do you spend so much time on an internet forum?
My thoughts on aliens is this…i agree that it illogical to not believe in aliens but i dont think that they have visited earth themselves. I think that some of the ufo’s in the sky are alien but just probes just highly advanced compared to the ones that we have..I think that the whole distance thing is much harder to over come then people think…i could be wrong
@spaceghost, Trying to convince people? Lol.
I’m just keeping it real and bringing some logic.
If I was an alien, why would I say aliens probably aren’t real? That would mean denying my own existence. And it would also be retarded, seeing how I would have (be) proof of the opposite.
I am not an alien. I am not a mithria/antichrist. I am not Bashar. I am not a robot. And I am not any of the other crazy shit HEthens seem to think I am.
I am just a manimal.
@boribori90, Amazing lights doing tricks? Wow, must be aliens….
Ever heard of a disco ball or a lazer haha?
In my town there’s frequently weird lights that look almost like stars, moving around in the sky, and those are from the spotlights on the concert hall.
There’s also airplanes and satellites flying all over the world all the time, those have lights on them as well.
How would aliens mine the asteroids and planets if they had no way to reach them?
Why would a strife for survival or competition bring them to our planet, of all the billions and… billions of planets to choose from? Hmm?
And why would they want to explore us, if there’s so many other aliens to explore? Hmm?
Water is not a miracle, it’s just a combination of two common, basic gases. It’s no wonder it’s all over the place.
Sure it could freeze and melt, even evaporate, how is that a big deal? It takes a lot more than water for life to have a chance.
Science knows for a fact that there’s a lot more conditions required. And the most likely scenario is that there’s a few metric shitloads of other required conditions that we haven’t found out yet.
There’s nothing condescending about what I say. The fact still remains, if there are hyper-intelligent lifeforms trekking through the universe, we’re about as interesting to them as piss in the Mississippi is to us. We’re just a fart in space in comparison.
And if E.T.s were so common like you say, that means they are in the audience. It’s interesting how you keep the two apart… why is that? Hmm….
“So, if seeing is believing, then plenty of people have plenty of reason to believe. Whether they’re actually E.T? I don’t know, but that’s what it looks like to me. What do you think they are?”
Reason to believe? Not really. An unknown phenomenon is not evidence of anything known or thought-to-be-known. The only thing proven by something strange going on… is that something strange is going on.
“What it looks like to me” is not about seeing, it’s about thinking. PROJECTING. It doesn’t really look like that, it’s what you turn it into. I could look at an orange in the street and say “looks like someone robbed the orange truck and ran for the woods, and accidentally dropped an orange right here.” That does not mean it is so, that does not mean it really looks anything like it, just that I like to think that way.
What do I think those lights are? Well… lights. What else? Lights are lights.
I could come up with all sorts of theories, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything supporting those theories, other than my own imagination.
I don’t know what I don’t know, and I am aware of that and have no problem accepting it, I feel no need to fill in the blanks with nonsense. I recognize that there are blanks, and I’m ok with that.
I’d rather look for a proper answer than make someshit up. Or yknow, simply not give a damn and keep doing my thing, regardless of seeing things that I can’t explain.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that you don’t know what you don’t know, that there’s no reason to fill in the blanks with projections, to conjure an “answer” from imagination.
I want to know how things really are. That means I must not jump conclusions or project weird theories. Because doing so prevents the truth from coming through.
If you would rather imagine than know, then by all means do so. Just realize that spreading your illusions can be very harmful to other people’s minds.
And realize that what you’re doing is closing your mind.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
Believe in what you can see.
Only the mind is capable of lies.
See with your eyes, hear with your ears, smell with your nose, feel with your skin, taste with your mouth, and leave your imagination and ego out of it.
Because they are only capable of projections and illusions.
Your senses are reality, the world outside your mind is reality, it cannot ever lie, it is always as factual as anything can be.
Mind is not reality.
What do you want more?
@yoinkie, “- I go back and forth between either you are a complete waste of time, or just play the devil’s advocate on everything, even if you dont believe it, just to show that you can. Yet you would like me to believe that people in the real world like you? You cant even make more then a couple people on a site dedicated to love and discussion like you…But I guess you might have some people come and speak to you…I mean you do live in Sweden, the most babied country in the world. Most people have the government give them milk, change their diaper, so someone who actually speaks their mind like you do would be a refreshing change for those people. So logically, you could make good money saying whatever you spew.”
This topic isn’t about me, it’s about aliens. Ever heard about things like “focus” and “keeping your shit together?”
The internet is a hostile and juvenile place, and friends are made in real life, not in some illusory internet world. And the “couple people” are quite numerous, your lowly strawman tactics are pathetic.
Your bullshit about Sweden is completely inaccurate as well, but that’s no surprise. Your people are typically in the dark about the world outside your region.
Which makes your claims to understand space even more ridiculous. If you don’t even know your own backyard, you don’t know the woods or the planes or the desert.
“-I guess this ones my fault, I wasnt clear enough, typed that last one from my phone. When I said “man-made signals, so to speak” I meant any signals that arent emitted from planets, or stars, or black holes, etc. Most intelligent species would be able to decipher that these signals arent coming from inanimate objects, rather something else, something intelligent enough to create signals. I dont want to go more into it then that, google it if you want to theres enough information out there on that. So your two+ paragraphs on that are pointless…althought I do admire you for jumping on the word “radio signals” and using it to your advantage. I thought you would be smart enough to decipher I meant over signals, not just radio signals…maybe you were, but you found a weakness in my logic and decided to attack it. Either way, moving on.”
I see what you’re trying to do there. Poorly disguised, (and executed) underhanded tactics again.
Either that, or you’re not intelligent to understand that the radio thing was just an example. Tech moves forward, old inferior shit is forgotten. If you found some old crude tools from the iron age you probably wouldn’t even recognize them as man-made. And that’s not that long ago, and it wasn’t made by another type of life form, but your own species.
“- Lets discuss: Yes, not all species would go in search for the bacteria; just look at earth for example, not every species has interest in learning about any other species. Some species dont give a fuck about any other species then there own, and do everything possible to avoid it. But then comes evolution, and forming intelligence. Once a species start becoming smarter, and forms intelligence greater then its need for survival, it becomes curious. It then wants to know EVERYTHING about its surroundings. You could say this is up for debate, as is everything in life. But most scientists are in agreement that most species in the universe, once evolved enough, would then start venturing out into space to learn more about the place they call home. Like I said to start my original reply, all your restrictions are valid; meaning there are many reasons aliens wont visit us, many of the things you said. So yes, its possible alien species wont care about the rest of the universe, but for you to say “there is nothing for them to travel to us for, we have nothing to offer” is beyond idiotic.”
Ah, the most common logical fallacy (and/or idiotic tactic) of them all, “a lot of people think this way, that means it’s more valid.” THAT is idiotic.
And, like many great men have said, does history record a single instance where the majority was right?
That’s right, it doesn’t.
Plus, these scientists are in agreement based upon nothing other than what they’ve seen in ONE species, humans. And they just assume that our development is the only possible path, but biology implies the difference. With hard facts. There’s an endless array of different evolutionary paths. Claiming knowledge about something you literally know nothing about is the fucking opposite of science, whatever scientists claim this shit about aliens should have their degrees nullified.
It’s because of that kind of retarded shit that science moves so damn slowly. Fuck, it’s like the dark ages all over again. But now it’s not the church that’s the problem, it’s retarded pseudo-scientists.
The true adversaries of the truth.
“Im not even going to bother wasting my fingers typing this one out, your smart enough to use google, so go educate yourself on what we knew about Mars before we went there.”
Are you an astronaut? Oh yeah you’re not, so you didn’t fucking go to Mars. “We” didn’t go to Mars, “THEY” did, a couple of space men that don’t even know you exist.
And they didn’t know anything about it before that, they had assumptions, theories, but they didn’t know. Hell, they still don’t. They’re just groping in the dark, while telling people that they know what they’re doing, when they really don’t.
If they already knew, they wouldn’t explore.
“Everything in your argument is based off a slight chance that there isnt. It isnt a smart way to approach anything. A person should understand that nothing in this universe is a fact, but not base their entire arguments off the 1% chance.”
SLIGHT chance? That’s your assumption. You don’t know what the odds are. Neither do I.
There are facts though, denying that is the signum of the imbecile. We don’t know all the facts, some of us know a bunch of them, but it’s still not much. There are facts though, only a dumbass would deny that.
As for the grammar stuff, I was just offering some advice. This is a forum for WRITTEN fucking communication. Doing that right should be prio1 for any intelligent individual using the service.
And isn’t it strange that a bunch of foreigners type way better than most of the natives? HMMMM….
Believe what you will. But believing in something doesn’t make it so.