On Saturday the 15th of December, i had just gotten back to my friends place after a birthday dinner. Before walking into the house, i looked up to see the stars ( i have just moved back to Australia, not used to seeing so many in the sky; it’s quite amazing). After a few seconds, i noticed 5 lights moving in formation across the sky about 100-200m above me. They moved relatively slowly, all the while rearranging themselves into different configurations. They didnt appear to fly, but more like float across the night sky- it was quite bizarre. I told the friend i was with to look up, he saw them for a few seconds.
The night before I saw numerous shooting stars, i spent about an hour looking up into the sky as I had heard about Geminid Meteor shower… I made a wish to see/ meet aliens- perhaps it came true!
Has anyone had any experiences like this?
When it comes to aliens i think it’s ridiculous to think they dont exist, as do a lot of people…
Human civilization has been around for tens of thousands of years. If an alien race came about a million years before us, they have had that much more time to advance their technology. Enough time for unimaginable technological breakthroughs when one considers Moore’s Law… I hope i live to see the day when we discover/ come into contact with aliens! Who knows, it may be this friday! (21/12/12)
‘It’s not like I succesfully sort my own and other people’s minds out proffessionally… And it’s not like they keep coming back for more help… And it’s not like I’ve learned from some of the greatest masters of mindstuff and spirituality or anything…’
Someone’s got themselves a life coaching certificate and a copy of ‘The art of Happiness’, haven’t they!
@shbarton, And anyone else reading.. There is no doubt in my mind that I have had numerous ufo experiences. I know I am blessed with some sort of gift from the cosmos, because the amount of shooting stars, random times I step outside only to see something I cant explain in the sky has happend to me more times than ive probably heard Call me maybe. Lol, If i went into complete detail i’d write a book on here but i’ll do my best. I remember seeing an orange ball in the sky while at a gas station in Florida. I was young so I asked my mom what it was..it was the first time I can remember she didnt have an answer for something. Other people pumping gas saw it as well. It eventually dissapeard and everyone awkwardly went on with their business. Since then I have seen 2 other orange-ish red lights. One was more red..it seemed to be bouncing in the sky like it was attatched to a yoyo. As me and my friend stared at it in amazement/terror it stopped then sped off at what seemed the speed of light. My friend claims she saw something hangin from it but i didnt. The 3rd one was very close. 2 friends and I were on my roof looking at the ring around the moon that happens due to climate n whatnot. My girl grabbed my arm ad said ” UM what the hell is that?” while pointing at a diamond shaped orange light moving slowly in our direction about 4 blocks away. I said, It’s either a plane flying oddly low towards us or aliens.. I said this expecting it to be a plane, but I realized it was not flashing..there was no noise.. and its light seemed to be pulsating while changing shape from a diamond to a circle. MIND BLOWN. My guy friend who was also on the roof had not a single word to say. I proceeded to say ” we come in peace! ” It dimmed down 3 times and agian, seemed to move at the speed of light. It was beautiful :]
It makes a lot of sense from a psychological stand point that people would believe in aliens and U.F.Os. For both sides of the arguement; Fear and hope.
People are have always been afraid that some superior power will come along and take what they have, their homes, their lives. This is a big reason for the stance on gun rights in the U.S, people fear the commies, terrorists or a paraphrased quote “Is that what you want? The King of England coming here and pushing you around?”.
As our basically allied western nations go, technologically we do not have much to fear, even if threatening nations develop good war technologies, our mass production capabilities absolutely dominates any threat, and so we invent new threats, or potential threats, to justify our paranoia and spending, Aliens.
On the flip side, another big reason is hope. People see humanity as failing and we are so incompetent that only an intervention can help us. Aliens present the possibility that a much wiser and dominant force can intercede in our erronous ways and guide us to a better tommorow.
Our solar system has 9 planets. One of which is inhabitable by life; 1/9. Our solar system surrounds one star in our galaxy. There is 200 – 400 billion stars in the galaxy. So up to 400 billion possible solar systems. Then their is an unknown amount of galaxies, on top of the estimated possible 500 billion galaxies.
Alien life is mathematically probable.
Considering the frequency manimal argues on this site too; its mathematically probable he has too much spare time. Literally I stopped coming on this site because it was too time consuming… come back for a check up.. look who’s still top debater lol.
@manimal, There is more than the fact that you would have to travel at the speed of light. Scientists have already tested this with some particles, so we’re well on our way there. But besides that, there are theories of loop holes and worm holes through space that would make travelling easier. Sure, it’s just a theory, but you should keep an open mind. There is so much out there we don’t understand.
I saw some pretty weird flying bug once. It was definitely an unidentified flying object, but I had better shit to do.
I also find it very strange how people talk about ‘planets that are capable of supporting life’. As if it’s beyond belief that other living creatures may require different things to us. It’s like saying that nothing can live in the sea, just because we can’t.
I’ve seen UFOs many times! Only up close 2 times though. They looked almost exactly like stars and that’s what I thought they were… until they started to fade and brighten randomly and then make sharp turns in the sky! About 70% of the time I see these at night.
It’s amusing how people get so butthurt just because people oppose their silly jumped conclusions.
@classik62 That’s an ugly-ass strawman you’re building there. And why?
@quazaar My cranium isn’t very elastic. Is yours?
Maybe one day YOU will understand.
@savmot Among other things, yes… but how’s that relevant to the thread.
@kayla147258 Those are theories yes, beliving in them is no less close-minded than disbelieving. I’ve already taken those into consideration, I’ve done a lot of thinking on this stuff. More than most it seems.
Check yourself before calling others close-minded, gurrrl!
@shbarton, Well, we have 40% identical dna with mold. So indeed, a small difference is a huge difference.
The capabilities of a more highly developed intelligent life form would obviously dwarf ours, but what it seems you overlooked is just how different they would be. And in extent, their ideas, ambitions, and so on. Their relation to space could be very different, incomprehensible to us, hell their very form could be intangible to us. Why would they need spaceships with lights on them if they were so superhuman?
Wormhole travel could be possible, yes, but it could also be impossible. Hell, even the idea of wormholes could be dead wrong.
And about the lightspeed travel thing, ever consider how much shit there is out there that you would collide with? There’s no way you could dodge that at the speed of light, which means you’d need some sort of pathfinding system, which also means a much much longer distance covered, meaning it takes even more time. This applies even if you’d use wormholes or black holes (if that even works,) and even if you don’t reach speeds anywhere close to the speed of light.
Instead of telling people to not take things so literally, how about formulating your words more properly? This is written communication, good syntax is key. That broken grammar and those diffuse statements and questions generate a lot of communicative noise, which is something to avoid.
@boribori90, Where did I say your views are idiotic and mine are infallible? That’s a very lowly projection, some kind of rhetorical tactic perhaps?
Dude I’m not saying I’m right, I’m barely even making statements or sharing my views, I’m only questioning. Asking questions, seeing how much you’ve really thought things through.
And your unwillingness (inability? Hmm?) to answer my questions implies a whole lot.
Pretty much proving my point, that you guys have no idea at all what you’re talking about. Irrational beliefs and theories that are barely thought through, like I presumed.
Planets which could support life show up on our radars? That’s not the whole story. They’re planets that scientists BELIEVE can support life, they’re not that certain. “Nearby” is still a very, VERY long distance from us, many many lightyears away. Even if there was lightspeed travel, it would take an incredibly long-ass time to travel from one to the other.
As for the UFOs. Like someone said earlier, cutting edge technology is a lot more cutting edge than anything the masses have ever seen. It really takes decades before the new stuff reaches the masses (unless it’s a 100% mass commercial product idea.) And it’s not just the organized stuff either.
Reminds me of an old UFO experience of mine. It was two and a half years ago, I was staying at my friend’s house in the middle of nowhere. We saw some strange lights in the sky at night, and it sounded kind of like a helicopter. He said he’d seen it before and had no idea what it was, he thought it was alien. Then we started seeing it in the middle of the day too, and it looked like a really weird helicopter thing. It was always flying in the same direction, and there’s nothing in that direction except a lake and a lot of forest.
One day we were by the lake, and the thing flew right over us, and we saw it was landing not too far away, so we went to check it out. What we found was just that, a very strange helicopter, parked next to a small summer house in the middle of nowhere. The man in the house saw us and came out to ask us what we were doing there. We told him, and asked him about the vehicle. He explained that it was a one of a kind “home-made” German aircraft, cutting edge stuff. I don’t think it was even legal to fly, let alone registered anywhere.
What I’m saying is, there’s inventors and various rich people that have all kinds of fancy tech tools and toys that people know nothing about. And if you have something like that, you use it, right? And then there’s governments, military and such, they’re bound to have even more of that stuff.
And yknow, you can attach big lights to most aircrafts without any complications.
I’ve seen a bunch of weird lights in the sky, but I don’t believe one bit that it’s alien. That’s pretty much the most far-fetched theory of all the ones that are available, it really isn’t logical at all. And there’s nothing concrete to base it upon.
And you know what, it wasn’t that long ago people thought Aurora Borealis was aliens, and the midnight sun, and all sorts of phenomena like that.
Just like fairies, elves, spirits, and all that jazz. It’s all just silly jumped conclusions, and time and time again, it becomes proven that it’s all dead wrong. See the pattern?
Just superstition and irrational beliefs, over and over again being proven wrong by hard evidence. It’s just a matter of time before we see the same thing happen to all the alien theories.
And this family member of yours. How high is their position, and in what branch of the government?
Probes are like drugs, nobody turns them down haha.
–If I was an alien, why would I say aliens probably aren’t real? —
welllll, one could argue that the aliens wish to keep their existence a secret, and if Marvin is involved, that’s as much a guarantee that you could get. don’t let his high pitched voice fool you, its all an act!
“Oh cuz it’s not like I have a psychological education and lots of experience…. It’s not like I succesfully sort my own and other people’s minds out proffessionally… And it’s not like they keep coming back for more help… And it’s not like I’ve learned from some of the greatest masters of mindstuff and spirituality or anything…”
– I go back and forth between either you are a complete waste of time, or just play the devil’s advocate on everything, even if you dont believe it, just to show that you can. Yet you would like me to believe that people in the real world like you? You cant even make more then a couple people on a site dedicated to love and discussion like you…But I guess you might have some people come and speak to you…I mean you do live in Sweden, the most babied country in the world. Most people have the government give them milk, change their diaper, so someone who actually speaks their mind like you do would be a refreshing change for those people. So logically, you could make good money saying whatever you spew.
Moving on. “And if their technology is so highly developed, they probably wouldn’t even remember that there ever was such a thing as radio signals.:”
-I guess this ones my fault, I wasnt clear enough, typed that last one from my phone. When I said “man-made signals, so to speak” I meant any signals that arent emitted from planets, or stars, or black holes, etc. Most intelligent species would be able to decipher that these signals arent coming from inanimate objects, rather something else, something intelligent enough to create signals. I dont want to go more into it then that, google it if you want to theres enough information out there on that. So your two+ paragraphs on that are pointless…althought I do admire you for jumping on the word “radio signals” and using it to your advantage. I thought you would be smart enough to decipher I meant over signals, not just radio signals…maybe you were, but you found a weakness in my logic and decided to attack it. Either way, moving on.
“Some (NOT ALL) people would go far away to examine some bacteria. This doesn’t imply that another intelligent life form would. Especially not one that’s much more developed than us and very different from us. Also, what you’re doing here is making claims to know how an alien reasons. How could you know that? Have you spoken to them? Are you one of them?
Didn’t think so. Your claims are empty and based upon nothing.”
– Lets discuss: Yes, not all species would go in search for the bacteria; just look at earth for example, not every species has interest in learning about any other species. Some species dont give a fuck about any other species then there own, and do everything possible to avoid it. But then comes evolution, and forming intelligence. Once a species start becoming smarter, and forms intelligence greater then its need for survival, it becomes curious. It then wants to know EVERYTHING about its surroundings. You could say this is up for debate, as is everything in life. But most scientists are in agreement that most species in the universe, once evolved enough, would then start venturing out into space to learn more about the place they call home. Like I said to start my original reply, all your restrictions are valid; meaning there are many reasons aliens wont visit us, many of the things you said. So yes, its possible alien species wont care about the rest of the universe, but for you to say “there is nothing for them to travel to us for, we have nothing to offer” is beyond idiotic.
“We spent millions to go to Mars? I didn’t. Did you? We knew there was nothing there to find? I didn’t, did you? If so, how? Had you been there?”
Im not even going to bother wasting my fingers typing this one out, your smart enough to use google, so go educate yourself on what we knew about Mars before we went there. In summation: we knew there is no intelligent life, but as far as bacteria goes, we werent sure at all. Hence we traveled to the planet to find either bacteria, or forms of life that may have lived their millions of years ago.
“If aliens are as common as you say, there’s a shitload of “anthills” out there.”
-I never once said that. you are just saying that so you can make your argument stronger without any validity. ive seen it plenty of times(mostly in politics, mind you). Its safe to assume aliens arent too common because of the amount of space we as humans have identified and observed.
“Stop thinking you know a bunch of shit you don’t.”
– see, you base your argument off a small percentage of a chance. I base my knowledge off the observable universe. There is a reason that over 95% of scientists believe that there is some form life out there in the universe. Everything in your argument is based off a slight chance that there isnt. It isnt a smart way to approach anything. A person should understand that nothing in this universe is a fact, but not base their entire arguments off the 1% chance.
Oh, and sorry for the typo’s and grammar, I type fast and have no desire to edit. If you have nothing to say, feel free to be a grammar nazi; the last defense of a defeated man.
Where all of you go wrong is that you assume that intelligence is the point of evolution when in reality it’s not. Nature doesn’t give two shits if an animal can create art.or explore space just like it doesn’t care if an animal can fly or run fast.. Evolution is not linear, species adapt to their needs. Nature just wants an animal to have the ability to survive and reproduce. For humans that meant developing superb cognitive abilities just like for birds it meant flying.
If aliens existed it would be highly unlikely that they would develop the same intellegence, yet alone the same cuisities as us. Also there may be aliens with higher cognitive abilities than us but you can’t assume they would think like us. Therefore you really can’t really assume anything about these hypothetical creatures.
Intellegence does NOT equal most evolved.
See the pattern?
-Yea, I see it.
And this family member of yours. How high is their position, and in what branch of the government?
-He was a Dutch Army officer in his youth. He moved to U.S when he was in his 40’s or 50’s and worked at Area 51.
[If they do somehow get to the point of civilization like we have, how are you so sure they won’t destroy themselves with religion and war? Or that mutant diseases or natural disasters won’t wipe them all out? Or crazy experiments leading to their demise? How would aliens mine the asteroids and planets if they had no way to reach them? Why would a strife for survival or competition bring them to our planet, of all the billions and… billions of planets to choose from? Hmm? And why would they want to explore us, if there’s so many other aliens to explore?]
-I don’t answer these questions out of disrespect or blunt ignorance, but because there’s no real way for me to answer them correctly. I also don’t want to muddle the argument with rapid-fire theories. I just want to assert my viewpoint that aliens could be causing some of those lights, and to believe so is reasonable, although far from conclusive.
Where did I say your views are idiotic and mine are infallible?
– It wasn’t stated (My fault. I should have chosen my words more wisely.) you implied it, tyrannically.
That’s a very lowly projection, some kind of rhetorical tactic perhaps?
– Not so much a tactic but a “projection” of what I know about people in arguments + my old rhetoric professor’s teachings. …Person A thinks their way of thinking is right, ergo everyone else must be wrong about everything. It’s a power thing.
– I get what you’re saying; Self-deception is easy, truth is out there.
– And dude, probe dealers are a real threat to the community. The swift boot of justice shall prevail!
@yoinkie, “- I go back and forth between either you are a complete waste of time, or just play the devil’s advocate on everything, even if you dont believe it, just to show that you can. Yet you would like me to believe that people in the real world like you? You cant even make more then a couple people on a site dedicated to love and discussion like you…But I guess you might have some people come and speak to you…I mean you do live in Sweden, the most babied country in the world. Most people have the government give them milk, change their diaper, so someone who actually speaks their mind like you do would be a refreshing change for those people. So logically, you could make good money saying whatever you spew.”
This topic isn’t about me, it’s about aliens. Ever heard about things like “focus” and “keeping your shit together?”
The internet is a hostile and juvenile place, and friends are made in real life, not in some illusory internet world. And the “couple people” are quite numerous, your lowly strawman tactics are pathetic.
Your bullshit about Sweden is completely inaccurate as well, but that’s no surprise. Your people are typically in the dark about the world outside your region.
Which makes your claims to understand space even more ridiculous. If you don’t even know your own backyard, you don’t know the woods or the planes or the desert.
“-I guess this ones my fault, I wasnt clear enough, typed that last one from my phone. When I said “man-made signals, so to speak” I meant any signals that arent emitted from planets, or stars, or black holes, etc. Most intelligent species would be able to decipher that these signals arent coming from inanimate objects, rather something else, something intelligent enough to create signals. I dont want to go more into it then that, google it if you want to theres enough information out there on that. So your two+ paragraphs on that are pointless…althought I do admire you for jumping on the word “radio signals” and using it to your advantage. I thought you would be smart enough to decipher I meant over signals, not just radio signals…maybe you were, but you found a weakness in my logic and decided to attack it. Either way, moving on.”
I see what you’re trying to do there. Poorly disguised, (and executed) underhanded tactics again.
Either that, or you’re not intelligent to understand that the radio thing was just an example. Tech moves forward, old inferior shit is forgotten. If you found some old crude tools from the iron age you probably wouldn’t even recognize them as man-made. And that’s not that long ago, and it wasn’t made by another type of life form, but your own species.
“- Lets discuss: Yes, not all species would go in search for the bacteria; just look at earth for example, not every species has interest in learning about any other species. Some species dont give a fuck about any other species then there own, and do everything possible to avoid it. But then comes evolution, and forming intelligence. Once a species start becoming smarter, and forms intelligence greater then its need for survival, it becomes curious. It then wants to know EVERYTHING about its surroundings. You could say this is up for debate, as is everything in life. But most scientists are in agreement that most species in the universe, once evolved enough, would then start venturing out into space to learn more about the place they call home. Like I said to start my original reply, all your restrictions are valid; meaning there are many reasons aliens wont visit us, many of the things you said. So yes, its possible alien species wont care about the rest of the universe, but for you to say “there is nothing for them to travel to us for, we have nothing to offer” is beyond idiotic.”
Ah, the most common logical fallacy (and/or idiotic tactic) of them all, “a lot of people think this way, that means it’s more valid.” THAT is idiotic.
And, like many great men have said, does history record a single instance where the majority was right?
That’s right, it doesn’t.
Plus, these scientists are in agreement based upon nothing other than what they’ve seen in ONE species, humans. And they just assume that our development is the only possible path, but biology implies the difference. With hard facts. There’s an endless array of different evolutionary paths. Claiming knowledge about something you literally know nothing about is the fucking opposite of science, whatever scientists claim this shit about aliens should have their degrees nullified.
It’s because of that kind of retarded shit that science moves so damn slowly. Fuck, it’s like the dark ages all over again. But now it’s not the church that’s the problem, it’s retarded pseudo-scientists.
The true adversaries of the truth.
“Im not even going to bother wasting my fingers typing this one out, your smart enough to use google, so go educate yourself on what we knew about Mars before we went there.”
Are you an astronaut? Oh yeah you’re not, so you didn’t fucking go to Mars. “We” didn’t go to Mars, “THEY” did, a couple of space men that don’t even know you exist.
And they didn’t know anything about it before that, they had assumptions, theories, but they didn’t know. Hell, they still don’t. They’re just groping in the dark, while telling people that they know what they’re doing, when they really don’t.
If they already knew, they wouldn’t explore.
“Everything in your argument is based off a slight chance that there isnt. It isnt a smart way to approach anything. A person should understand that nothing in this universe is a fact, but not base their entire arguments off the 1% chance.”
SLIGHT chance? That’s your assumption. You don’t know what the odds are. Neither do I.
There are facts though, denying that is the signum of the imbecile. We don’t know all the facts, some of us know a bunch of them, but it’s still not much. There are facts though, only a dumbass would deny that.
As for the grammar stuff, I was just offering some advice. This is a forum for WRITTEN fucking communication. Doing that right should be prio1 for any intelligent individual using the service.
And isn’t it strange that a bunch of foreigners type way better than most of the natives? HMMMM….
Believe what you will. But believing in something doesn’t make it so.
Please continue with more on topic discussions. HE is not a children’s playground, please discuss your personal stuff somewhere else. If we will continue to throw mud at each other like little children, I will close the topic.
Since the Universe (or should I say Universes) is infinitely big, I believe there are also infinitely big amounts of planets with life on it, in fact, I believe that going beyond our three dimensional realm, every moment that has ever existed and will ever exist on our earth, does actually in fact exist already somewhere else, because time and space are our limited believes. Furthermore, since the Universe is infinitely big (I will believe so unless somebody can proof me the contrary), I believe that every possible reality/possibility of whatever possible action, individual and collective (actually there is no individual, only a collective), does exist somewhere as well.