Naturally good vs naturally evil

2 years, 3 months ago

Known as the eternal question, humans have been trying since the beggining of time to gather sufficient arguments that will support either side.

Are people naturally good or naturally evil?

November 22, 2012 at 5:56 pm

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Profile photo of Almeida Almeida (@xetado) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Naturally evil, in my opinion. I think this is more of a defensive mechanism, because although living in a society is not perfect but better than living alone, our mind at first probably thinks that selfless attitudes aren’t very positive in the surviving perspective.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD OR EVIL. They’re made up concepts with no real meaning.

There is only action and consequence.
Believing in good and evil is just an excuse for judging people and being holier-than-thou.

It isn’t real.

Humans are humans. And we’re all fucking different.

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Profile photo of marthamena95 marthamena95 (@marthamena95) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@xetado, do you mean that we are born evil but as a Defensive mechanism against society? But doesnt this make us naturally good becuase that means we are born in a inperfect society, and we have a natursk impetus to make it right? Or defend ourselves from it?
@manimal, There is good and evil because we create our reality. From your point of view, you could argue nothing really exist, right? Also, are you saying that all situations are neutral; as if all was just “it” and we as humans and observers have no right to judge, even if it is positive, as in constructive criticism?

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Profile photo of DerpWard DerpWard (@aloofcat) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@manimal, i agree with you. this might just be me just out of philosophy class, but it is true that good-evil are man-made concepts. it’s like trying to say a bee is evil because it stings. it is only it’s nature, as it is ours to overthink stuff that perhaps should be left alone.

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Profile photo of marthamena95 marthamena95 (@marthamena95) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@aloofcat, I undstand now, thanks for the bee example. as simple as it may sound for you, it really helped me :)

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Profile photo of Almeida Almeida (@xetado) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@marthamena95, Everybody lived “alone” in the beginning, but some people overcame the idea of being selfish and started to develop tribes, groups, societies, whatever, seeing that it was better. An alone mind would think it’s better to be selfish in order to be more adaptive , but not a collective mind. Sorry if you didn’t understand, my English is not so good..

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@marthamena95, I guess you could argue that nothing exists, but I don’t see how that makes sense at all.
I’m not saying you have no right to judge, judge all you want. But it won’t make a difference.

There is no good and evil. Just actions and reactions. Cause and effect.
X leads to Y.

Good and evil are just silly fairytale concepts. Their effects on the human mind can be very crippling, this is the norm.
To the vast vast majority of people, as in almost no exceptions, the definitions of good and evil are not even their own or based on something rational, just indoctrination. Social conditioning.
It only serves to keep people down.

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Profile photo of MPHill MPHill (@everymorningbornfromtheashes) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

I think though good and evil is a man made concept yes, accepting that humans have the ability to be good and evil is more of a social examination on the individual. To strive for either doesn’t hinder ones intellectual growth, and furthering your morals. So if you choose to allow the concepts of good and evil to keep you down as manimal says it will. If you choose to
allow the concepts to perpetuate yourself in a positive self-evaluation, I don’t believe I see a problem.

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Profile photo of MPHill MPHill (@everymorningbornfromtheashes) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@everymorningbornfromtheashes, And I will add also, with everything discrepancy.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

The concept of good and evil is a question of morality. Humans are the only creatures on the Earth that possess a sense of ‘morality’. Therefore – if we didn’t exist, the concept of ‘Morality’ would have never existed. A mother shark will attempt to eat her children upon birth. If they attempt to escape and should ever meet she wouldn’t even acknowledge the nonsensical ‘moral code’ in which we humans follow. Just like other tools of mass control, ‘morality’ is a system that dictates how to live a ‘morally good’ or ‘morally bad’ life. We must instead acknowledge the fact that humans are inherently free from the concept of morality. We are flawed, yes. Everyone possesses a certain amount of ‘evil’ within them. Terms such as ‘Bad/Good’ is simply a matter of perspective. Yet at the same time we all possess a certain understanding that allows us to ‘LIVE (evil backwards), reverberating within our spiritual vibrations and urging us to generate Positivity/Love/Compassion in the world. Life is balance. Two wolves. Yin & Yang. Adam & Eve. The concept has always been laid before our eyes.

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Profile photo of marthamena95 marthamena95 (@marthamena95) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@xetado, I understand your point. However, dont you think that as abraham lincoln famous quote says, The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.. This means that presently, because we as humans evolved into societies and civilizations, we have evolved on the idea that we were, some time in our past, born naturally evil? Meaning it is different now? We have changed?

@manimal, I actually never thought it that way, that the concepts of good and evil were matters of indotrination or social conditiong. However, it does make a lot of sense. But, maybe its more than just social. Good vs evil depends, obviously on our morals and values. What morals and values we have, depends on infinite number of factors, so, depending on this, you may argue on either side, right?

Maybe these concepts only serve as tools when , in every situation, deciding how to act and choosing what to do. simple as that.

@everymorningbornfromtheashes, Yess exactlyy! i thunk the same way as you do.

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Profile photo of James McCarthy James McCarthy (@surrealseasons) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

We are natural beings. Nature is amoral. Therefore, we are not naturally ‘good’ or ‘evil’ but are amoral beings at birth.

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