News Flash: More to being a person than previously thought…
Many of you may have already received this memo, if so, then this isn’t for you. There are always new members arriving here and I think this is important enough to be reiterated:
Please consider a few things:
1: All matter (or stuff/energy/whatever) was created when the universe came into existence and no new matter has been created, so therefore all matter is as old as the universe.
2: You are alive and made up of matter.
3: It seems then that you are a 13.78457whatever billion year old living piece of the universe. But it’s just that your consciousness that you experience has only been tuned in as You for 20 or 45 or however old you are, years. But really what’s a year if time is only now…?
4: You are self aware, therefore, the matter you are made up of is self aware.
All the things I stated above are merely observations of the way things appear to be and I think some conclusions follow:
Life is not a fluke that exists IN the universe, but instead Life is something the Universe IS existing AS. There is not something called Life and another separate thing called Universe that Life takes place in. AND that the Universe is manifesting itself in self aware organisms called You and I.
Now, I am going to ask you to consider something: What is more YOU? Your hand, that if you cut it off you will continue living? OR the very ground, the Earth, this solar system, this galaxy, this UNIVERSE-EVERYTHING without which you would not even be sucking air and existing?
It should be clear now that you are not an organism existing separately in an environment, but that you are an Organism-Environment. You “go-with” (to use a term borrowed from Alan Watts) your environment in the same way that trees sprout flowers and fruit.
It would seem that that universe is more “you” than parts of your own body…and that the very matter which makes up the universe is aware of itself as you. Think of the Universe as an omnipresent sleeping organism, and every so often it opens its eyes in certain places and looks around at itself (because what else is there to do when you are everything that ever was?) and the places where it opens its eyes are called Life, Consciousness, You, and I.
Q: “How is this possible?”
A: I don’t know, but I do it in the same way I can open and close my hand without knowing how. I just do it.
Q: “So you are telling me that I am not just person?”
A: Correct, you are not just a person.
Q: “So you are telling me every time I experience I am literally touching myself? Gross…”
“Life is not a fluke that exists IN the universe, but instead Life is something the Universe IS existing AS”
I’m getting bored of these revelations along the lines of “this is this” and shit. Does anyone really know what the fuck they are talking about? Or are you just speculating? Because without some universal high being godhead type shit telling you things, you don’t really know anything about the truths of any grand mechanism.
I realize my comment is douchey, but I have a point. I do like the effort of people trying to find out these things, though :)
@cognizantelephant, Yes, you do have a point. Given the evidence that I provided, that is available for anyone to observe, could you provide me with a different and stronger conclusion?
@rickvonstar, For the most part I can agree with you. But to me these revelations sound like they’re coming from a person who is suspicious more than anything. You essentially are dispelling what popular ideas we have been fed to believe about the universe. Ideas like humans are special and animals are just animals, completely separate from humans. Life is life, for all we know it could just be a phase of existence. I think we are limited to thinking about these things, because past a point all we can use is terms that we know. Thinking, feeling, emotions, logic, what if they aren’t part of any deeper understanding?
@cognizantelephant, I think the statement you mentioned about “this is this” does have merit however, because if someone can go from seeing themselves as a lonely depressing fluke to seeing themselves as something that is completely contrary, then wouldn’t that be a better perspective?
@rickvonstar, It does have merit, but when people use those ideas to conclude life as a whole they distort that statement. To things like “life is a triangle” shit like that you know? When they think they have it all in the bag and anyone else who doesn’t agree is a fucknut. It’s that pretentiousness that regresses the things we should actually be talking about, like your beautiful post :)
@cognizantelephant, Yes, the purpose is to present things are contrary to what we are usually told.
“I think we are limited to thinking about these things, because past a point all we can use is terms that we know.”
I think you’re correct here. I’ve long ago given up trying to think about how “it” would work. That’s why at the end I said I don’t know how it works ;)
“Thinking, feeling, emotions, logic, what if they aren’t part of any deeper understanding?”
I don’t think they are part of a deeper understanding. Things are just the way things are. And the way things are appearing seem to suggest that the people aren’t just people….
@rickvonstar, “because if someone can go from seeing themselves as a lonely depressing fluke to seeing themselves as something that is completely contrary, then wouldn’t that be a better perspective?”
The insanely terrible part about today is that we don’t have a tribal community anymore. I saw a post on here about the evolution of communities going into a neo-tribal era a while ago and it really got my attention. That’s why we have people with flawed perspectives, they have lost the connection to wide knowledge and perspectives on life. What used to be common knowledge about emotions/thinking/logic/social standards and proverbs that might’ve been instinctively ingrained have been lost, due to the separation and distraction of community. Yes that would be better.
“I don’t think they are part of a deeper understanding. Things are just the way things are. And the way things are appearing seem to suggest that the people aren’t just people”
Right, by the way of consumerism and greedy bastards we have made humans look like the epitome of existence on earth. This fucks the quality of compassion for all things and makes the common person animalistic in their beliefs.
But if it’s all just a phase of this life, should we do anything about it?
@cognizantelephant, “But if it’s all just a phase of this life, should we do anything about it?”
If it’s just a phase, then let’s put it behind us.
I think if people could understand that they aren’t just a person being kicked around by the whims of some chaotic random gyrating machine, then they might feel more responsibility towards themselves, other people, and the planet. By hurting any one of these, people are hurting themselves
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