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cynikal (@cedricb)    2 years, 3 months ago

How could God destroy all humans in the old testament only to keep Noah and his family?
What did the humans do so wrong to anger god to a point of destroying them all?

(both atheists and religious people are invited to answer their theories!)

0 votes, posted 07.24.2012 at 3:29 pm
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Petergd (@petergd)2 years, 3 months ago ago

I hate to be a grammar nazi, but its ark, not arch…

I am not much of a religious man, but I am pretty sure God was just fed up with humans destroying the earth and each other.

Kinda off topic, but I had to go to a medieval symposium last year for school and there were many scholars from around the world. One of them talked about how Noah was enlightened to the ‘secret of science’ which he shared with his sons’ Ham and Shem. Shem went on to try to perfect science for the good, while his brother Ham had curler intentions, and went on to become the first sorcerer.

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Eric (@seekerostillness)2 years, 3 months ago ago

the bible i feel is a book of redemption. i am discovering that i have done nothing wrong that i need redeemed from, the effects of the kool-aid are wearing off. we wrote the script, we made it all up. God can no more destroy us than we can destroy ourselves. my doG just got hit by lightning, whoah.

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cynikal (@cedricb)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@petergd
thanks for the heads up on the grammar, should have checked that up myself.
The reason I was wondering, is that I was reading a book
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Time_to_Every_Purpose_Under_Heaven )
which argues the following.

First, we have Adam and Eve, who eat the fruit from the forbidden tree, something that put them much further from God by breaking his trust.
Then, Abel and Cain’s story, how Cain kills his own brother. This being one of the most vile and horrible things a person can do.
Then something must go wrong, something which is not just about a few people, but most or maybe all humans must do something so horrible that God decides to kill every one of us, sparing only Noah and his family.

My real question is then, what can be so horrible? how can so many people do so many wrong things as to make God angry to the point of destroying almost his entire creation?

PS:
@seekerostillness, this is not to say that I fear God would do this again. I am not debating whether the bible is the truth or just some made up fictional novel, but just what can an entire species do in order to make a God who is supposed to be a God of redemption not to leave them any chance to redeem themselves?

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Petergd (@petergd)2 years, 3 months ago ago

Did the flood take place before or after God sent his only son down to Earth to die for our sins? I think before but I am not sure…i’ve always been bad with biblical shiatt. If he did it afterwards that would make sense, but even if the flood happened before the death of his only son, God is all knowing so he would have known his son would be killed on this planet before he even sent him down here. That is the only thing I can think of that would piss a deity off enough to wipe out an entire planet…

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Bryan Hellard (@xyver)2 years, 3 months ago ago

It was before. It was shortly after God created everyone. It’s like when you’re building something, and you’re still just starting out, and you realize that you’ve done something horrible wrong. So you restart from scratch, and only keep the little bits that work.

It never says in the bible, all it says is that “God was fed up with the wickedness in the world”.

I think it’s funny, God is supposed to be omniscient, and yet he thought “Lets destroy everybody!”, then proceeded to flood the place, then thought “Man, that was a dick move. Sorry guys, I’ll never do that again” and gave us rainbows! Don’t yuo think he’d have been able to think ahead a bit and realize that killing everyone was maybe a dick move?

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Galactimus the Tang Slayer (@galactimus)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@xyver, I don’t think God realized it was a dick move. I think he sent the dove/olive branch/rainbow as a sign that he accomplished what he set out to do (eradicate the evil in the world, and give man another chance to get it right). Again, all we can really do is extrapolate. And I’m not religious, so if there’s more to the story that I’m missing and this post is completely off the mark, I’m all right with that!

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Bryan Hellard (@xyver)2 years, 3 months ago ago

Genesis 8:21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma [of the sacrifice Noah burnt] and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though[a] every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

Yeah… Guess I remember the story wrong. I thought he was more remorseful about it. Seems like he’s more chill about it. “Even though people are dicks, I won’t kill everyone.”

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Jake (@jesus)2 years, 3 months ago ago

It obviously didn’t happen, so why bother trying to justify it.

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cynikal (@cedricb)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@jesus, why bother searching for a purpose?

I mean, are we humans only on earth as a result of coincidences and evolution?
Can we really be happy with our lives if we have no higher purpose?
Can anyone live happily just spending their lives on mundane tasks such as earning money or goods?

Or do most people need a reason, a perspective where we are part of something bigger, something more important than just all these earthly activities like playing tennis or working extra hours for extra cash?

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Jake (@jesus)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@cedricb,

You’re delusional. I hope you see reason later in life.

Can we really be happy with our lives if we have no higher purpose?

-Yes… Happiness is serotonin and dopamine. Science rules.

Can anyone live happily just spending their lives on mundane tasks such as earning money or goods?

-Some people maybe, but the whole point of this site is to do what you love to do (follow your bliss as jordan puts it). So the question is irrelevant because it’s loaded.

Do most people need a reason, a perspective where we are part of something bigger, something more important than just all these earthly activities like playing tennis or working extra hours for extra cash?

-No they don’t and if they do they can’t be certain that Christianity (or any religion) is their ‘higher purpose’. If they can’t be certain, then it becomes laughable to suggest that it is the purpose of life.

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cynikal (@cedricb)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@jesus,
well I will happily consider myself delusional, as I know way too little to even hope to understand how the world works.”All I know is that I know nothing”

Like the sand in the desert, maybe we have no higher purpose, maybe we are just sand… Should that be the case, then I would rather be the one delusional sand corn rather than just perfectly understanding it all, which would also mean understanding one’s own limitations.

Doing what you love is important, I agree. And I am sure you are right, I am the delusional one, whilst you aren’t. Congratulations! May that help you in your life and God bless!

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 3 months ago ago

They were all living in sin. Living in sin is asking for death. That simple.

But the whole story of the ark is nothing but a metaphor, it’s actually referring to a biological process.

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cynikal (@cedricb)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@theoctopusmechanic,
Man did I laugh there! Good Point, having lived in Scotland a few years I know exactly what you mean :)
@manimal, what biological process would that be?

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Zach (@v1kingfan)2 years, 3 months ago ago

The bible is a book full of metaphors and spiritual teachings. I think it was a metaphorical story to warn people what fate befalls “sinful people.” Sometimes I wonder if it is a metaphor for the destruction of Atlantis. Atlantis was supposedly as technologically advanced as we are today, as myth says.

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