Official ‘Zeitgeist: Moving Forward’ Discussion
The following documentary is the most important film you could possibly watch. It’s massive implications reach across the globe and cannot be denied. It will change the way you view the monetary system, the economy and the future of this world. Its claims almost sound like conspiracy, but the evidence it intelligently builds upon rules out any chance of that.
And do not be deterred by the 2hr 45 duration. If something is this important, would you really want it to be able to be squeezed into 10 minutes? Let’s cast away our modern 30-second attentions just this once because this is THAT important.
After watching this, I ask you three questions:
1) How convinced are you that these event will occur?
2) Do you think their solution is a plausible? That is, do you think the world will figure things out in time to implement it?
3) What do you think is the first step in solving this problem?
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Jim I think you really know what’s going on, thanks alot for the links btw..
How do we get corporate America to acknowlege this video… that is actually my best idea. It’s mind boggling to me how much power and control the system has, and I credit just about all of it to corporate America. When all the money you could dream of is not enough, I just don’t know what to say…… THEY ARE PSYCHOPATHS!
It seems to me the whole discussion, if you can call it that, was besides the point. The main point that is very well illustrated in, not just the Zeitgeist movie, but almost everywhere you look is that capatalism is based on consumption. It basically states that if a human being grows up in a capitalist world it will base his identity and his self-worth on external objects that can be bought. It influences us in a way that we see money as the goal and not what we can do with that money. This is the reason why we spend billions and billions of dollars on fashion, cosmetics, gadgets and many more stuff that gives us temporary happiness untill we throw it away. And so, we use finite resources in a way that brings no value in the long run while we could use the same resources for all those people that do not have the basic necessities to even think about what makes them happy.
You should check out behavioural economics to see how biased the materialistic assumption you make are. And maybe check out some anthropology make some more nuanced statements about human nature.
So where do we start after we return the money? do i give half of my fridge to my neighbor? how do you convince millions and millions of people to give up their greedy and evil habits? If media was on the same page you can easily teach the young minds of this subject. But just a personal opinion there needs to be a leader in order for all of this start, someone to guide the people to a better world. Much respect, this is a good site
I’ve enjoyed this thread immensely! The epic discussions between Jordan and Peter in the beginning were very inspired, on both fronts, and I felt a definite flow while understanding the economy on a capitalist, central planned, or alternative monetary system(s).
This is my first post on HE, and I’ve been digging on this site for the past three days, finding valid arguments that I agree and disagree with.
While I see a discussion on economy taking place, a social science that claims to account for human choice, randomness, and potential activity, I haven’t found the “Zoom Out” perspective on every post, just 1/2 or so.
In the end, I believe a discussion rested upon knowledge of human choice must begin with just that. To understand “choice”, we should understand “influence” and “desire”. The desire of your internal motives towards the influence posited by the external environment.
I find common society is informed largely by external environment, with subjective internal feedback. We are upside down. But it’s not so dire.
The world is shifting, and a new generation will implant it’s moral roots. I consider only 200 years ago, slavery was a luxury enjoyed by the upper class. After thousands of years, however, Western society finally leapt past slavery and is now more or less free of direct slavery. However the “work for me” attitude is still commonplace. Money just keeps the worker dedicated. Often this works. If work is found enjoyable, money is a acceptable reinforcer.
But man wasn’t meant to stick to only one task, as a cog in a wheel. Work can shift, change, bounce around. Personal relationships can be formed with those you work with, and you can open restaurants and tax offices, swimming pools or parks with an individual who wants to make that their life’s work. It’s no longer “work for me” but “work with me”. I find that to be the future economy. I think the advances in communication and transport, resource development and new energy will power this economy. And money will just be the effect of success, not the cause.
Seen it twice, in Amsterdam there was a press release I attended and at the world premiere, and I will watch it a few times more. I know the movement for about 15 months by now and I totally agree with all of it.
1) The financial collapse will for sure happen, there is just no doubt about it. The collapse of the monetairy system is build in and cannot be avoided. For this we must act upon it, because people will get homeless and lose their jobs. People cannot afford what they need and therefor it is higly probable they will get violent, government will try to stop this by answering this with violence through police and military force. This will occur if we just go on as we are doing right now. A third world war is not excluded from this and nobody wants that to happen! I have to say this will happen if people do not understand that we could do much better than we’re doing right now, if they do not understand we have to change the whole system.
2) It will take a lot of effort to put this in practice. A resource based economy isn’t something people come up with if it’s about solving problems as war, poverty and other world problems. I think if there will be no system which is based on the earths resources, rahter than some opinions of business and politcians, we will just all die. I think it’s possible, more and more people are aware of the problems and willing to do something about it. It’s not anymore that people think like “it’s not my problem” cause it’s everyone’s problem. If we stand all together we will find solutions of implementing this for sure!
3) Definitely creating awareness at first. If nobody knows there is a problem, then ‘there is no problem’, but as we all know there are a lot of problems and we know the causes, we must act upon that. That means we really have to act, as Martijn said: be the change! Talk to people, try to get a screening at a theater, at home, at school or anywhere where it’s possible. Have meetings with others. And join the Movement and if there is not another chapter in your region, make one!
Hi Matt, you’re welcome, and thanks for the vote of confidence :-)
I feel that maybe it’s too much to expect the big Corporations to listen…. they have too much to lose in the short term… and unfortunately, short-sightedness is endemic in most corporations.
You must know from your own experience, that when you really want something or want to do something, it’s hard to listen to people trying to dissuade you. Well, just imagine your big house, your car, your kids private schooling etc. etc. are all dependent upon you going along with the official line…….. how many people do you think would give all that up and stand in opposition?
I feel the best chance is to bring awareness to the students and people just starting their working life, also the older generation that are retired/retiring…. they have much less to lose, and may be more open to see the problems in the system and want to do something about it.
It’s a massive challenge, and we will need to be creative about it. I think it’s also important that we don’t just become haters of the situation, we have to rise above it and create a better world.
I’m always looking for ways to get people to explore and consider the situation…….
I sometimes ask them if it would be OK for a large family of say 10 children, for the strongest to keep half the house for himself and 7 of the others look after him and 5 of them have to sleep out in the street and 2 are literally starving and living hand to mouth in the gutter……
That’s basically what we have in the world today – and it doesn’t have to be this way, it’s just that currently the strongest makes the rules, and the next 4 have varying degrees of comfort and are just trying to improve their lot and don’t take time to see that it could be different, and the others are not being listened to and hardly have a voice.