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Jordan (@newagesoldier)    2 years, 7 months ago

has anyone here tried them?

stuff like this really interests me but im not really sure what to believe. not a huge amount of research has gone into nootropics as of yet, so nothing is concrete.

basically they’re ‘smart drugs’ that are supposed to enhance intelligence, cognition, memory etc. and also have anti anxiety effects.

theyre legal/easily available in most countries, and my limited research has lead me to believe they’re pretty safe. i havent tried them first hand myself, nor do i know anyone that has.

the skeptical side of me thinks its all a scam or placebo effect, but the optimistic side envisions something like the movie limitless on a much smaller scale.

anyone have any experiences?

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Haven’t tried any, but I am very interested and will probably try them out when I get the chance.

But I am also a skeptic, for entirely different reasons. I think they will probably work, for some types of cognition in some types of context. But I am quite sure it will cost you something else in return (basic sanity, mental health, value hedonistic values higher than values I find more better suitable for humans/world, like compassion, love, forgiveness, mindfulness, not more thinking but better thinking etc).

I get a feeling of: I got to fit in societies ratrace, at all costs. And I am willing to change who I am, what I put in my body, how my body works just to get one step ahead of someone else.

On the other hand, if it would be possible to design personal drugs, and so to get people back to their senses more, and see through the objective/rational thought blindfold that covered our way of living for the past 2000 years or so, I wouldn’t oppose it (at least for some time). Of course, ‘drugs’ like these already exist, psychedelics are the extreme variant of these. If there would be something less intense, and better controlable, it could do alot of good for humans and the world.

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Athens (@giraffe)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I have recently purchased some Racetams for cognition, I haven’t tried them yet but I know they work for lucid dreaming.

You get different types, some are better than others and combinations have different effects.

Here is a good site that explains this well: http://www.mindnutrition.com/

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OneLoveUSC (@usc1love)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I’ve been taking Aniracetam for the past month or so… Couldn’t really tell you whether or not it’s actually working. I’ll probably continue taking it at least until I run out because I haven’t noticed any negative side effects; but I haven’t noticed any change significant enough to claim that it definitely works. However, like almost all “drugs,” Racetams and nootropics have different effects on different people.

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Nois (@nois)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I’m on piracetam for 6 years now:) Feel free to ask anything you like.

From my experience, works to a variable degree depending on teh person, but I’ve only seen healthy people use it, and I’m the only one that actually needs it.

I’ve experienced increased focus and concentration. Critical thinking becomes easier too.

@Martin, perhaps you’re right, but the mechanisms of this are rather simple. Piracetam increases the oxydation of the blood in the brain, which basically makes your brain work “faster” afaik. I must say, overdosing it is rather funky. I’ve done it once or twice by accident and my sensory perception went overload. Light was BRIGHT, sounds were LOUD etc.

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Athens (@giraffe)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@Nois: You’re right! Being healthy is a really important part their effect. If you eat a standard or vegetarian diet, you’re most likely not healthy; even if you feel like it, the body is a complex thing.

Metabolic typing dieters are the ones who’s opinion I’d take more seriously.

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Jordan (@newagesoldier)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@Martijn: I very much agree with most parts of your post. Especially the potential benefits for the mindset of the world at large if something considerably less strong than your average psychedelic existed and was used.

However, I dont see the relation between nootropics and overvaluing a hedonistic lifestyle (I might be misinterpreting what you meant here). I think like every other drug it would depend on what your intentions are for taking them.

If someone is taking them to climb as far ahead in the rat race as they can, and take any edge that is humanly possible to do so, then yes it has the potential to grasp at hedonistic desires. But weren’t those desires there to begin with? Isn’t it the obsession in acquiring the edge (in this example a cognitive enhancing drug) that’s the problem, and not the edge itself?

Personally I feel that if these supplements are totally legit (and I’m not convinced they are as I have no first hand experience and have heard a lot of conflicting reports) that they can be very beneficial for anyone if used for the right reasons. Thinking/speaking clearer, better memory, less anxiety etc. whats not to like?

@Nois: Awesome man, will probably message you with some questions when they come back to me (guess I could use these more than I thought :P). Also, do you take a source of choline with them as well? I’ve heard that’s pretty much mandatory for racetams.

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Nois (@nois)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I’ve never been advised to use anything in conjunction with piracetam, but have also not read the full list of ingredients of the pills I take. Maybe there’s choline in it already.

Yeah it really helps with short-term memory. Used up all my supplies recently myself.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years ago ago

@giraffe, @nois, @newagesoldier,

Bump. I have come across these nootropics a few times now, and I am interested in trying them. Anyone else here?

Here is a list of common ones and their function: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=List_of_Nootropics

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Anonymous (@)2 years ago ago

Sounds interesting. Im gonna check out a medicines book tonight and see what the contraindications are (if any).

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Anonymous (@)2 years ago ago

@piptherational, not sure if there are any.

The best ones are oxiracetam and aniracetam. The half-life of piracetam makes it not worth it, and the taste is disgusting.

Buy oxi and Ani racetams if you’d like. The difference between with and without is pretty negligible, but it can be noticed if you really concentrate, especially a few minutes after ingestion. They are simple, as martijn has suggested, as they basically just open up blood vessels to the brain. Their mechanisms against alzheimers and other ailments are less well known… and I have this fear that taking them and stopping may be worse than not taking them at all, but I base that on absolutely nothing.

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Athens (@giraffe)2 years ago ago

You really have to be careful with the dose, I took the recommended amount and it was too much. I ended up going for a driving lesson and my mind was really foggy, it took a lot of effort to do basic things and I also got a headache. They don’t make much of a difference, it’s kind of noticeable but I don’t really bother myself with them. I think you have to take them regularly to build up the effects.

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Brett (@brett)2 years ago ago

@newagesoldier I’m on a combination of nootropics right now. The supplement I take is called alpha brain. It honestly works. You don’t really notice the main effects until about 2 weeks into taking them. Just go to youtube and see the testimonials. That’s what convinced me to buy them.

Like the others above me said. Your diet also plays a major role in the effects of these nootropics.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years ago ago

@ijesuschrist, What are the respective half-lifes? And what about Pramiracetam?

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Jordan (@newagesoldier)2 years ago ago

I’ve been taking piracetam pretty regularly since I started this thread. Experimented with a lot of different doses and so far nothing overwhelming cognitive wise. For half an hr or so after taking it my vision definitely feels sharper. Dreams in general are also more intense than they’ve ever been, can definitely see why some people take it strictly for lucid dreaming. I also find it’s much easier to wake up in the morning, which is far and away the best benefit for me because getting out of bed is quite often a struggle.

Maybe it’s just really subtle and I’m not noticing it but cognitive wise I don’t feel any sharper/quicker. I’ve mostly been on piracetam for the last couple months so maybe I’ll feel the decline when I’m off of it. My diet and sleeping habits could definitely use some work as well so these results might not be typical.

Looking into getting aniracetam when my tub of piracetam runs out, which is supposed to be a lot stronger so hopefully I’ll have a report on it soon.

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Anonymous (@)2 years ago ago

@martijn, Pramiracetam is new to me since I’ve been interested in the racetams. I don’t know the half-lifes, but I know a man who synthesizes his own and told me the half life rankings were aniracetam – oxiracetam – piracetam and piracetam is something like less than 2 hours, so its basically gone after 3 hours or so… Piracetam is water soluble and leaves the blood system pretty quick (which is why you can dissolve it in drinks) while the other 3 are fat soluble, which causes them to cross the BBB better.

@newagesoldier, Funny you say your vision feels sharper, mine gets fuzzier.

Took ani, oxi, and pir today with acetyl choline in a large dose after about 2 weeks of nothing. Instantly felt heart start pumping more, breathing heavier as well.

The thing I noticed today and other days is that working out while taking these completely drains my mental clarity. I was driving and noticed I was making really poor mistakes while driving (Relative to my normal habits) and I’ve noticed this before. I can’t concentrate and my fore-thought suffers terribly after I do any intensive work our or cardio… On the other hand I am more in the now which causes me to take part in tasks more often and to a fuller extent (like… washing the dishes :) )

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Anonymous (@)2 years ago ago

Major side effects of piracetam at doses of 7.2g daily in 3 divided doses: weight gain, nervousness, hyperkinesia.

Cautions: avoid abrupt withdrawal; increased risk of bleeding, major surgery,

Max dose in 24/h 24g. Avoid if pregnant, avoid of breast feeding. Use 2/3 normal dose if known renal impairment.

-BNF, 2012.

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Anonymous (@)2 years ago ago

@piptherational, compare that to any pharmaceutical llol

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KR!SH (@kr1sh)2 years ago ago

I tried it… followed regimen for 6 months, didn’t notice a difference, wouldnt recommend it.

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ZionBorn (@irievibes)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@martijn, I have been taking pramiracetam for about a week and a half now. It seems to be very effective for me. It can get to the point where other people will notice how much better you can articulate speech.

It reduces my anxiety, and at the same time makes me feel like a mastermind. I now feel like I can do anything I want to with confidence.

It’s either pramiracetam or the beginning of the consciousness shift starting next week or whatever…

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Max Nachamkin (@feren6)1 year, 9 months ago ago

I have been experimenting with Piracetam for about 2 months now.

Not a huge fan. It makes me restless and makes me think, a lot. It’s not enjoyable.

I have tried doses from 800mg to 4.2grams at one time, and both of them just give me undesired effects mentally. Sure, I’ll be a little bit more concentrated, but I get a headache (and even 500mg of choline makes me insanely depressed), and just distracted. So now I’m staying away.

I still like the concept of it though, so maybe I’ll experiment with the other -racetam’s eventually. I’m thinking about trying the L-Theanine + Caffeine stack for now though.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

I actually just ordered phenibut…

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1527-3458.2001.tb00211.x/pdf

(Journal article for anyone who’s interested.)

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ELizard (@heavydreamz)1 year, 9 months ago ago

I’ve tried piracetam on and off for a couple months now and my experience has been mixed.

Ive experienced good results but the ‘glow’ fades after a few days. If I am really busy I can easily get burnt out so I always end up stopping. Ive tried smaller doses daily but same thing. Since then Ive experimented with taking it once every 3 or four days and it still feels like an extra stress on my body. Probably worth noting that I tend drink a lot of coffee with it and I also crave tobacco and any stimulants more. I have enjoyed using it to potentiate psychedelics/decrease comedown and observe its interaction with any substances/herbs. Combined with alcohol I’ll consistently be pretty drunk after 2 drinks, but the effect is different, more dream-like, more social for me than alcohol alone. These interactions could be why I have such varied experience with it. I dont advise this based on my experience.

Interesting chemical, still.. I’m skeptical about why I’ve been ingesting something with very little study. I don’t know if I trust any ‘professional’ studies. This is a drug that has miracles claims, but it’s some chemical.. do I really want to be ingesting this everyday? What is it derived from? It could be manufactured out of drain-o or petroleum for all I know. I also feel the same way about any generic vitamins or supplements.. or food.. everything is made out of sketchy shit these days for profits so I advocate for sticking with naturals as a general rule of thumb for deciding what to put in the body.

Hope this helps anyone (like me) who feels the need to try another pointless substance when its probably better without, unless we are talking something real like chinese or shamanic medicine. I’ll support LSD and anything that offers a significant experience that its actually worth taking once in a while.. but taking some chemical everyday to feel ‘smarter’ or make life a bit more awesome.. nah better to leave it out. Makes me feel like a sucker.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

The package came this morning… I feel so RELAXED.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@dalniente, interesting – I heard of phenylbut a long time ago, but didn’t think much of it.

You’ve noticed the relaxing effects, how about the nootropics?

I’ve also got a blog post on PRAMIRACETAM (not piracetam) which is stronger, but I still need to do some more testing when I get back to CA to see whether or not the pramiracetam was the real nootropic effector at play or if it was the Lion’s Mane mushroom…

http://learningasart.blogspot.com/2012/11/pramiracetam-lions-mane-review-effects.html

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, the effects aren’t dramatic, but I feel like all my muscles have been relieved of the tension from this week. The anxiety I’ve had is at bay, which has helped me to focus more. Considering that I just took it a few hours ago, it may take a while for me to notice more effects.

I haven’t tried the racetams yet!

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