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docpaleo (@docpaleo)    11 months, 3 weeks ago

My wife and I have been preparing ourselves to undergo this experience for over a month now. We are just a week back from Jamaica where we drank mushroom tea (very light dose) and had a much needed rest. Before leaving for Jamaica I recieved in the mail the B. cappi vine and over 114 gm, of V. psychotria. My wife has been on SSRI’s for years and we are going to see if the healing properties of ayhuasca will help with her condition and give me more insight in my own journey. My wife has been weaning off the SSRI’s over the last six weeks and now has finally taken her last pill. In the next few weeks we will start our diet and reduce the food and activites that are contraindicated. Both of us are nervous.

We plan on taking a small dose the first night then double it up for the second night and go from there. We are not new to ethnogens but new to this medicine and hope it holds more than just a promise of healing.

peace

whitey-x

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Andrew A. (@biga69)1 year, 11 months ago ago

God luck to you man!! Ayahuasca is a hugely underrated medicine and trip into your mind, body, and soul. Just be sure to have fun with it and come back and tell all of us HEthens about your experience.

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docpaleo (@docpaleo)1 year, 11 months ago ago

Thanks Andrew! And will do.

We just marked the calander to start the first dose on June 29th and continue every other day until July 8th. I will most likely start the brewing the weekend before.

peace from a fellow HEthen

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Meghan (@meghan)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@docpaleo, First off, you have balls. I watched an educational show on Discovery Channel or something about Ayahuasca. This is gonna sound really vague and stupid but there’s a guy that has a place where he has a shaman and brings people there for “therapy”. He does it for free. He talks to them, listens to their story, and then takes care of them and makes sure they are ok while tripping. It’s amazing what drugs like that can do. One woman had been raped several times by family members I think and was forced to have an abortion when she was really young. While tripping on ayahuasca at this place, she saw her baby and talked to her. It just blew my mind. GOOD LUCK!!! I want to hear about your experience!!!!

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luigi (@luigiblue)1 year, 11 months ago ago

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Dr.Purushothaman Kollam (@visionandviews)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@docpaleo,
I had red about Ayahuasca in Life Positive Magazine I Year back.

Any how you try the Herbal Medicine,which will change your Body,Mind & Soul to a greater extent.
Please let us know your result
With regards,Dr.Purushothaman,Kollam,Kerala,.India

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docpaleo (@docpaleo)1 year, 11 months ago ago

Thank you for the link Cody and I have read it. And to you Luigi for the video link, I will watch it later today. Right now I have to get ready for work. We are about as prepared mentally for this experience as we can be., although I am sure no one is ever fully prepared as they expect. I stopped using LSD years ago and feel I have gained all that I can from that experience. With P. cubensis I still have more to learn just by the very nature of the fungi. I have taken very light doses up to doses that exceeded 27 gms. These were all self collected and prepared by myself. These were very profound experiences that changed my life. It has been near three years since my last journey with a spirit guide in the panhandle of west Texas.

We are both in a good place in our lives at this point, physically, emotionally, economically and spiritually. We go into this with an open mind and a acceptance of what will be. Other than our hopes to help my wife find an alternative to taking SSRI’s for the rest of her life we are leaving our minds open to what will be and let it take us where it will.

Life is a journey with many paths and we are seeking this path at this point of our late life to seek both knowledge and health.

peace

whitey-x

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docpaleo (@docpaleo)1 year, 10 months ago ago

My wife had to stop the prep for the Aya due to the medication she had to stop (SSRI). Too many side effects for her to tolerate.

I have been following a shamanic diet for about four weeks now and start cooking this Saturday. Sunday night will be my first dose of the medicine to be followed with a dose every other night until the 9th of July. I am calm inside and ready for this as I can get. I have dwnlded a good number of Icaros to listen to when I start my healing. My trust is now in the hands of the plant.

peace & knowledge

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@docpaleo, Thank you for continuing with this discussion. I am really sorry to hear that your wife will not be able to accompany you and I hope that she will one day be able to overcome that which is upon her.

Please keep posting, and any pointers on your preparation and completion would be great. I definitely want to seek out Ayahuasca one day in the future, and so to have a reliable guide on acquisition, preparation, and usage would be a treasured piece of information.

Enjoy your awakening, friend.

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docpaleo (@docpaleo)1 year, 9 months ago ago

Good morning everyone.

I’ve been on a shamanic diet for over a month eating rice & fish, raw veggies and drinking coconut water and distilled water. Oatmeal & boiled egg for breakfast, raw spring rolls for lunch and brown rice & steamed fish for dinner. No spices, salt or sauces. Remained celibate for the same period and been listening to Peruvian aya Icaros songs for music. Last night I prepared the room I will be using in the house. Blocked off all the light coming into the room at night and set up a CD player to play the curranderos music when in session. My mind is in a good place and I’m calm inside. Prepared as I can be I suppose. 1st session is Sunday night. Today I will be cooking the medicine all day and on Sunday will sweat and bathe with flower blossoms then take my first dose around 9 in the evening. Tonight I will move my purge bucket into the room, record the music to CD’s for my sessions and purify the room with a sage smudge.

On another personal note, I am an atheist. I mention this because many times in my life I have been asked that if I am an atheist why do I follow ceremony, ritual and protocol in my journey to gain a greater spiritual understanding of my self? To many folks it seems contradictory. I obviously do no think so. I know there is much that I will never understand in this short life and many questions that will never be answered but this is the way of our existance. We are not omniscient beings, we are human and on a journey through this mortal coil and thus must journey as humans with all our flaws and peccadilios and predilictions. I accept that.

I follow ceremony, ritual and protocol in order to build on what is known, what has been established and already learned. There is no need in my mind to work out much of what has already been worked out. In the case of preparing and undergoing the ritual use of aya there is a vast store of knowledge that can be drawn on to make this path my own. Over a thousand years of exploration have come before me and to ignore that, to me, seems not only foolish but arrogant. Therefore I go forth and accept that which I cannot understand. That which has prepared this path before me.

At the end of the journey I will reflect on what I have experienced and learned from this course of action and then will assimilate that into my life, those parts that have a validity to my being and outlook. There is no contradiction with this and atheisim.

And so I go forward.

peace, knowledge and understanding.

peace, purification & healing

docpaleo

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Will (@lostinthestreet)1 year, 9 months ago ago

I am really enjoying this thread @docpaleo

Please keep us posted through this entire process! I feel like through your words, a lot of us in the group have something to learn and grow from. I’m truly sorry for your wife in not being able to join you. It is my hope that in time she will get to have this amazing experience.

Much love!

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Grand Kahlib (@kahlib)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@docpaleo, Thank you for sharing.

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Julia (@collinsj2009)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@docpaleo, I am loving this thread! Good luck on your journey and I am so looking forward to hearing about the experience.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

An atheist huh? I don’t think that will last with Ayahuasca.

I also am not sure about the half dose at first then a full dose the second night. I would go with the full dose. The most beautiful healing comes from this approach, where as a slow “testing the waters” will only make you accustomed to it slightly more, allowing for less learning, less shifting to take place.

We learn the most under extreme situations, which is inevitable with this substance. Once you are familiar with ayahuasca, less learning will take place. I encourage you to go all the way the first time.

You seem to know, and I also know, that you will be completely safe on your departure and return to this realm. Have no fear, have no doubt, and take the leap.

Much love and respect from me, and I give you good wishes for your journey, traveller!

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Kniphofia (@thomaschong)1 year, 9 months ago ago

I took it once, just letting you know its not fun, its a serious look into your physical and moral character and shouldn’t be taken lightly.

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docpaleo (@docpaleo)1 year, 9 months ago ago

Good morning!

I started my reduction of the tea this morning. I have 16+ cups of B. caapi and 16+ cups of P. viridis tea and will reduce them down each to 4 cups.

Materials-
• 500g/1.1lbs Cielo variety Banisteriopsis caapi from Mycophile on eBay for $49.00 usd
Link: http://myworld.ebay.com/mycophile/&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2754

• 114 grams McKenna Red Banisteriopsis Caapi on eBay for $24.00 usd
Hawaiian Ayahuasca Vine (Caapi Vine)
Their Hawaiian strain of the caapi vine was started by Terrence McKenna, who brought the caapi back from Peru. It has been grown on McKenna’s ethnobotanical preserve on the island of Hawaii, where he lived for many years before he died.
Link: http://myworld.ebay.com/shamanstools/&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2754

• 200 grams of high quality dry Peruvian Psychotria viridis leaf was purchased from Natures Spirit on eBay for $60.00 usd.

Link: http://myworld.ebay.com/naturesspirit/&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2754

• 4 gallons of distilled water
• 4 organic lemons
• 2 Stainless steel pots
• 1 large fine mesh kitchen sieve
• 4 glass jars 8 cup volume
• 7lb. kitchen scale from Kitchenmate

Method-

I ground the P. viridis leaves in a small coffee grinder until it was a fine powder then set it aside. Next I pounded by hand the B. caapi with a hammer using a hard flat stone surface with a sheet spread underneath to catch the vine that fell loose. The entire crushed vine was gathered up and then ground down in a blender until finely chopped.

The material was weighed and placed in two separate pots. There was some weight loss from the vine due to it drying further while in storage awaiting the time to prepare it. The juice of one lemon was added to each gallon of distilled water to adjust the Ph to around 4 – 5. Then each to each pot was added 1 gallon of the adjusted water. This was allowed to cook at a low simmer for approximately 4 to 5 hours. Constant attention was paid the entire time to avoid boiling as I stirred each pot every few minutes.

After this first cooking I decanted the liquid into the glass jars using the kitchen sieve to catch as much of the plant material as I could. This was set aside and allowed to cool overnight in a dark cool cabinet. To the remaining plant material I added another gallon to each pot and continued to simmer an additional 4+ hours using the same care and attention to cooking. Stirring every few minutes and adjusting the heat to avoid a boil. At the end of this I shut off the heat and went to bed and allowed the mixtures to cool in the pots overnight.

In the morning I decanted the remaining liquid into two more glass jars and threw the plant material away. After cleaning the kitchen up and washing the utensils I placed the two teas into their separate pots and started to reduce the liquid down to four cups per pot. The four cups of each tea being kept separate are allowed to cool again in a dark cool cabinet. This evening I will warm up one cup each of the B. caapi tea and the P. viridis tea. I will drink the B. cappi tea and wait 20 – 30 minutes then follow it with the P. viridis tea.

Set & Setting-

I have prepared a room in my house by sealing off all ambient light from the windows and door, including the LED lights from a CD player. I placed a 5 disc CD player in the room and put in four discs I recorded of Peruvian Icaros music and one disc of the Grateful Dead drums and space sessions from various live soundboard recordings. The room was purified with a sage smudge.

Last night I bathed in a warm bathe of rose petals from the garden and used some organic sandalwood glycerin soap followed by a hot steam shower then went to bed and let the music play very low as I slept. Before going to be I read some of the teachings of Epictetus and again on waking this morning. I have not eaten anything or drank anything yet today but my wife is making me some boiled eggs that I will consume sparingly today if needed.

Tonight at 9:00 pm I will drink my first glass of tea to be followed 20-30 minutes later with the second glass of tea.

peace, healing and light

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

Love you!

Have a safe journey home (and then back hehe)

Thomas – believe it or not I’ve heard of some incredibly blissful experiences on ayahuasca. The sheer intensity of the drug usually does not allow the mind to relax for very long though.

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Carina (@misssunbeam)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@meghan, I watched that too :)

@thomaschong, A friend of mine described his experience to me and it was a good one :)

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, FYI, when I took it with Peruvian Shamans we also took a half dose the first night and doubled that the next. I don’t see any need to go ‘extreme’ right from the start.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@docpaleo, Looking forward to read about your experiences. Have a safe and illuminating journey!

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@martijn, from a learning perspective, you will get more out of it from a bigger leap in. That said, it is also more dangerous, as you don’t get to test the waters.

To each his own,
And left unknown,
The majority of the mind,
Wanders.

Oh, Also, where did you take it? Iquito? I was just in peru and couldn’t get to such activities, but wanted to. Did you go through a travel agency , how did you find it, etc? Perhaps better via pm, or share – whatever. I’m interested in how you went about it. (and the cost !)

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docpaleo (@docpaleo)1 year, 9 months ago ago

All is love

All she wants is to be held

peace and love and light

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@docpaleo, so simple, so beautiful.

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docpaleo (@docpaleo)1 year, 9 months ago ago

Good morning!

At 8:40 last night I drank a full cup of the vine tea (B. caapi) and followed it ten minutes later with a full cup of the leaf tea (P. viridis). After each cup I ate a small bite of fresh watermelon to clear the taste from my mouth. Almost instantly I felt my heart begin to race and I went to lie down in the room I had prepared. In just a few moments I felt a buzzing in my extremities. With the Icaros playing in the room I soon felt a coolness in my right shoulder and right wrist that moved to my upper chest. Sitting upright in my bed there was a buzzing that descended into my belly, a comfortable, pleasant feeling. I started to see small golden/green worm like beings swimming through the space around me and noticed that the Icaros I had been listening to had an added set of singing voices, a beautiful harmony so perfect in its execution. I thanked the Aya and asked to go deeper.

Around forty-five minutes into this I purged. I had the bucket between my legs as it seemed every vile thing in me came up, retching so that my whole being seemed to be nothing but the retching. This only lasted a few moments and then was past.

At this point my visions became much clearer. I was in a rain forest, dense and verdant. There were huge leaves of palmetto and ferns interspersed with golden green feathers. The worms now started to appear larger and more snake-like. The background began to fill with reptilian eyes and the eyes of unknown beast. Patterns of crocodilian and snake skin moved through my vision. It was all with an overwhelming sense of beauty and awe, there was no fear but a sense of gratitude. Again I thanked the Aya and asked to go further.

Soon I found myself in front of a huge river with all of life flowing past me in a raging torrent. On the other side giant snakes twisted and danced in the air. Coiling and sliding in an intricate dance. I watched un-afraid. In an instant one grew to encompass everything in my field of vision and came straight at me with an open mouth and it swallowed me whole. As I slid down its gullet I saw the spine and many ribs pass by me with great rapidity. After a time I began to see faces emerging, thousands of ghost and souls. They seemed to be studying me and watching for my reaction to what was occurring. I thanked them and asked to go deeper.

I saw a door with light, a golden light coming from around its edges. On the side of the door were the ten thousand faces of the Buddha, from their midst arose and came forth the Amithaba Buddha of infinite light. Through its outline I saw infinite space and around it a golden light. I was enveloped by it and felt overwhelming peace and love. At this point I heard the voice of Ayahuasca startling clear and it said “These visions mean nothing for you”.

The visions fell away. I thanked the vine of souls and the characuna for their gift and asked to go deeper still. For a long time, what seemed like many hours I was disembodied and part of a great kaleidoscope of light and color that I cannot fully put into words. There were flowers of indescribable nature, the singing of a chorus of thousands and I saw the golden threads that connects us all to everything and was a part of it all.

At some point I became aware again of being a man and my dog spoke to me and told me to rise up. As I did I felt the need to purge my bowels and made my way to the restroom. When I finished my dog again spoke to me to come with him outside. We went into the front yard and it was now midnight straight up. I took a small milking stool and sat on the front walk with my feet in the grass and thought this must be over now. But as I looked down I saw the infinite universe in grass before me and under my feet. Celestial clouds and a multitude of twinkling stars spread out before me. I purged again. Looking up I saw the full moon through the forest canopy and felt clean and alive. Then my dog told me to come back inside so I followed him back to my room and again lay down in the bed to listen to the music of the Icaros.

Suddenly and with great clarity I heard the voice again booming throughout “All she wants is to be held!”

I broke into tears of joy and knew this was what I was seeking. This is what I needed to hear. And again I thanked the Aya spirit as I wept with joy and understanding. In what seemed only a few moments I heard the voice again laughing at me and it said softly yet very clearly “You’re silly! All your plans and protocols! You do not need to do this again!” I too began to laugh and was filled with an understanding of the ridiculousness of my approach to life!

The voice told me, more like I was directed to go and thank my friend who is a shaman for his being there for me. I arose and went to the computer and emailed him.

I WAS TOLD TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS AND STRENGTH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE AND FOR YOUR LIGHT

THANK YOU FOR BEING YOU

THANK YOU

PEACE AND LIGHT AND LOVE

I next posted to this forum as you read in the above post.

I lay down for a while longer and after what seemed like hours I went to my wife and lay with her in the bed as I wrapped myself around her. She asked me if everything was ok and I told it was fine, that I had come to hold her. She made room for me as I eased in beside her and our three dogs. She asked if it was over and if I found what I was looking for and I told her yes then went on to describe what had happened. She looked at the clock and said it was only twelve-thirty in the morning and asked again if I was ok. I assured her I was and that things were going to be different and that I was here for her and always would be. She said she sensed a great calming in my arms as we lay together in the early morning. After a short time I told her I was going for a walk with the dog in the moonlight and when I returned I would finish sleeping in the other room as to not disturb her. We kissed and I arose.

I took a short walk in the moonlight then returned home and ate a small bite or two of the watermelon then lay down on the couch and soon drifted off. At some point my wife awoke me and I moved to the far bedroom and turned off the Icaros and drifted off to sleep until I awoke around nine-thirty in the morning feeling rested but worn.

Today I will take it easy and snack and nap as I see fit. Not seeing the need to go any farther at this point I will put the Aya away in a cool dark place until I feel a need or a direction to do otherwise, but for now I am done.

Pax vobiscum

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 9 months ago ago

Wow. You have the courage of a thousand men, and the ability to use it wisely. I’m glad you saw what you needed, and I’m glad you had the favor of the aya.

What a wonderful story.

I love this! That understanding, the holding of your wife. What a beautiful thing.

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