Preparing for Ayahuasca

2 years, 8 months ago

My wife and I have been preparing ourselves to undergo this experience for over a month now. We are just a week back from Jamaica where we drank mushroom tea (very light dose) and had a much needed rest. Before leaving for Jamaica I recieved in the mail the B. cappi vine and over 114 gm, of V. psychotria. My wife has been on SSRI’s for years and we are going to see if the healing properties of ayhuasca will help with her condition and give me more insight in my own journey. My wife has been weaning off the SSRI’s over the last six weeks and now has finally taken her last pill. In the next few weeks we will start our diet and reduce the food and activites that are contraindicated. Both of us are nervous.

We plan on taking a small dose the first night then double it up for the second night and go from there. We are not new to ethnogens but new to this medicine and hope it holds more than just a promise of healing.

peace

whitey-x

May 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm

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Profile photo of Will Will (@lostinthestreet) 2 years, 7 months ago ago

@docpaleo This is one of the most beautiful experiences I have ever heard. Your approach, the clarity, every word dripping with truth and love. I’m so happy you got the peace you were seeking, and I’m again sorry your wife wasn’t able to join you.

I have been looking forward to hearing your update, so thank you friend for being committed to the group and being able to share openly with us your entire experience.

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Profile photo of docpaleo docpaleo (@docpaleo) 2 years, 7 months ago ago

@lostinthestreet Thank you for your friendship but I was just the vessel. It feels right to be here among you all and to be able to share this with the forum and hope it will help others in their quest and along their path.

@ijesuschrist your support is well taken my friend. As I ended up drinking two full cups to start I think I may have achieved what you suggested as a full dose! :)

To the rest of you I can only say I appreciate your thoughts and good will to help me on this journey. I truely feel a greater sense of peace.

One thing I observed from this first time experience is the way in which the many variations of the indole molecule produce such overwhelming experiences that address the many facets of our mind and being. Over the course of forty years from my first experience with three tabs of Purple Microdot through years of exploring the vistas of magic mushrooms and up to today I have learned so much valuable insight into nature and my my place in its scheme. Of particular not I have found that the natural ethnogens work with my body much better than any synthasized in a lab. I know look forward to one of the few variations on a ring, the peyote ceremony.

All good things in all good time.

peace

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Profile photo of Becks Becks (@steve217) 2 years, 7 months ago ago

@docpaleo, I had this friend who was all into hallucinogens, LSD, Psylocibin mushrooms, peyote, Bufo toads, DMT, even did Ether a few times. Anyway he tried that shaman Ayahuasca stuff and choked on his own vomit, didn;t die though, just rushed to the emergency room, i’ve heard it causes a near death experience kind’ve like DMT yet i never thought how literal that could be.

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Profile photo of docpaleo docpaleo (@docpaleo) 2 years, 7 months ago ago

I have purged in purification ceremonies and while using high doses of magic mushrooms and to me I just let it happen and its gone. Never really detracted from the experience for me. Perhaps some have issues with vomiting that are ingrained into their being but I am not among them. That being said, aspiration into the lungs can be deadly and one should be fully aware of what they are undertaking and go with it rather than resist. Someone once said “Resistence is futil. You will be assimilated” :)

peace

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Profile photo of Vytautas Vytautas (@vytautas) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

I will have Ayahuasca ceremony after 2 weeks – that will last for 3 nights/days with shamans from Peru, and that will be my first experiene with the Plant.
I’ve been on partial diet for about then few months (no coffee, alcohol, meat, sex, etc), and now have been of full diet for 2 weeks already (no milk products, salt, spices, etc – just vegatables and so on), 2 more weeks are left. Daily meditations goes along.
I have a strong feeling it is the right step in the developement process, although it is rather strange for many people considering it like a drug. Great to be with people around who are going to the save ceremony here, in Lithuania, and great to read your @docpaleo story and all the comments, support.
Looking forward to that process a lot!!!

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

I am very much interested in making some of my own Ayahuasca in the not too distant future, but I have a lot of other steps I think are appropriate to take beforehand. That being said, I question whether or not I would want to find a shaman or just go about the journey using my own subconscious and instincts as my guide. It seems that there are varying options, and I am not sure which I would find more fruitful.

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Profile photo of docpaleo docpaleo (@docpaleo) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@vytautas I would be interested in hearing how your journey proceeds! May your path be free of impediments and if not that you resist them not but accept them for what they are and move forward!

@lytning91 my shaman is a friend of over 15 years and he did not attend to me directly but performed a guiding ceremony from over three hundred miles away. A few days later I went and spent the night and discussed the visions with him for greater insight.

My personal view is if properly prepared a journey at home should not be an issue, but that is just me and I have nothing to base it on but my own experience.

All the best all of you folks.

Here is a bit more info I have put together from several different sources regarding hte preperation of self:

Some of the diet is for ritual significance but other parts are for health. There are some foods that are broken down by the body and made safe when you take (the vine) that is essential to the tea recipe. It acts as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, it stops the body from breaking down certain compounds, so then some foods become problematic.

Some of the diet is to weaken the body and mind, or to put it another way, to cleanse the body of toxins and the like, by depriving yourself of many foods that we take for granted helps to make way for the tea, even if you were to do the diet without taking the tea you would notice a marked difference in your physical and mental state.

Abstaining from spicy and heavily-seasoned foods, excess fat, salt, caffeine, acidic foods (such as citrus) and sex before, after, or during a ceremony. A diet low in foods containing tyramine has been recommended, as the speculative interaction of tyramine and MAOIs could lead to a hypertensive crisis.

Fasting
It is important that you eat no food after lunch. It is also advisable to not drink caffeinated drinks, chamomile tea (Manzanilla) or milk. Drinking water is allowed up till half an hour before the ceremony starts. Water in the ceremony is only for rinsing out your mouth. You can drink water after the ceremony, however you should only drink if you are not feeling nauseated. No food should be eaten until day break of the next morning.
What Can I Eat?

Salads, steamed veg, rice, millet, buckwheat, yeast free bread, seeds, nuts, soups, herbs and fruit. On the day of the ritual, it would be better to fast for the whole day. If you can, fast for as many days prior to the ceremony as feasible.

La Dieta
A time-honored aspect of seriously focused work with the tea is a special diet serving to cleanse and prepare the body, mind, and spirit to open widely to the positive healing energy of the Mother tea. There is considerable variation in details of the diet as practiced in the Peruvian Amazon by many vegetalistas and curanderos. Therefore these comments should be understood to reflect the general commonalities of “la dieta” and not construed to be absolute in all details.
Most maestros recommend that one commence the diet at least three days before the first tea ceremony and continue for two or three days after the last.

Alcohol and pork should be abstained longer since they may have undesirable consequences when combined with the tea. Commonly shared characteristics of most vegetalista diets include abstinence from alcohol, sugar, salt, oils, pork, fat, and spices. These substances may interfere with one’s sensitivity and uptake of the tea so they are limited or abstained to heighten one’s receptivity to the medicine. Abstinence from sexual orgasm is also an integral part of this diet. This is an important required for two reasons. First sexual abstinence conserves vital energy needed to engage the challenges the tea sometimes poses. Secondly temporary sexual abstinence from sexual activity and thoughts allows one to focus on the more profoundly spiritual dimensions of one’s being.

It is said in the Amazon that the tea has a jealous spirit. This is a culture-bound concept which often seems strange to the western mind. How could a plant considered sacred also be jealous? One has to step outside the usual human concept of jealousy to understand what is meant by this. It simply means that the conscious spirit of the tea desires our undivided attention when in Her presence. Temporary sexual abstinence might also be seen as an offering of one’s higher intention to the Divine. Human sexuality is a dynamic aspect of the human nature and spiritual experience, and it often blossoms beautifully after work with the tea. This is especially so if this aspect of the diet is respected. Everything in the diet is a choice, and one answers only to themselves and the medicine in whatever decision they make.

Pork is considered to be impure because of what pigs eat, and is not eaten by diligent tea practitioners. Complete abstinence from pork and lard for at least two weeks prior to the first ceremony is strongly recommended and should continue for two weeks after the last ceremony.

In the Peruvian Amazon, the most rigorous shamanic diet consists of small scaly fishes boiled with rice, plantains and yuca (manioc). No salt, sugar, oil, ají (hot chili) or sexual activity is allowed during weeks or months of jungle isolation from the outside world. This is the diet undertaken by apprentices hoping to become shamans. It is difficult even for seasoned jungle people, and few succeed in keeping to it for more than a few weeks. The social and sexual segregation required is the primary reason so few diet for long periods. It is not necessary to enter this demanding dietary regimen to undertake personal cleansing and spiritual transformation with the tea under the guidance of shamanic healers (curanderos).
In the initiatory diet for those seeking personal cleansing and healing, the diet is not as rigorous and may include light seasoning, fish, chicken, fruits and vegetables.

The holistic cleansing benefits and visionary experiences are greatly enriched by a commitment to the diet, for such reflects your personal INTENT, which is the most important personal factor in work with the tea.

Drug and Medication Precautions
These drugs and medications are known to cause dangerous side effects when taken in conjunction with the tea. Use of these substances should be discontinued and sufficient clearance time should be allowed before consumption of the tea. If in doubt, consult your physician.

I. Any medicine containing MAO inhibitors (neural enzyme monoamine oxidase) or SSRI’s, i.e. antidepressants such as Prozac, Effexor, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, etc. These can cause a ‘serotonin syndrome’ involving elevated blood pressure, coma and possibly death when taken in combination with the tea. It is recommended that such medications be suspended under a physician’s guidance at least six weeks prior to taking the tea. Some medications may clear the system sufficiently in less time. Consult your physician to be sure. St. John’s Wort should also be suspended in advance of work with the tea. Many patients have found it unnecessary to resume such medications after treatment with the tea.

II. Sedatives, tranquilizers, antihistamines, narcotics, amphetamines, asarone/calamus, tryptophan (high doses), tyrosine (high doses), phenelanine (high doses), macromerine, decongestants, allergy medications, cold medications, diet pills, methylphemidate, asthma-inhalers, meperidine, levopoda, dopamine, carbamazipine, some antihypertensive medications, sympathomimetic amines (acting directly and/or indirectly), including pseudoephedrine and ephedrine.

III. Do not drink fermented alcohol or use within two days of ceremony.

Those with a record of psychiatric instability, psychosis, diagnosed mental disorder or chronic high blood pressure should not partake of the tea.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

WHOOA!

“The spirit is a jealous spirit”

THIS RINGS SO TRUE. Well. With DMT anyways.

A woman came to me and tried to seduce me in one vision while on DMT. I refused and resisted, and the trip became hell, but I laughed, because it was simply her jealousy, an odd substance.

As for peyote – You have to drink a lot! You have to consume a lot a lot! I drank what I thought would be a very strong trip, given from a shaman, and it turned out to be no stronger than, perhaps some kratom tea and a tiny smoke of marijuana. It is by no means easy to drink either. Although ayahuasca is vile, I would rank san pedro slightly more bitter, but my memory is short on ayahuasca’s taste.

At any rate, taking a lot of mescaline is a lot safer than taking a lot of ayahuasca. It isn’t something (especially with your experience) that you need to worry about taking too much. Meditation and appreciation of all things become phenomenal experiences on mescaline. I highly recommend it, but it isn’t going to warp you like the tryptamine of Ayahusca. It’s going to love you like the “mouse” of MDMA…

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Profile photo of Spirit Charm Spirit Charm (@rawrx11) 1 year, 9 months ago ago

@docpaleo, I was wondering how you prepared a ceremonial place in your house. What type of environment did you use, including sounds colors etc. please all information would be useful (: I am thinking of creating my own ceremony for myself as well and I am seeking guidance from someone who has done it. Also did you have anyone taking care of you while you were going through your trip. Again any information is appreciated (:

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