So I know that I was one of the ones hoping for a change away from more psychedelic threads and I hate to beat a dead horse, but I just finished reading the book “Doors of Perception/Heaven and Hell” by Aldous Huxley and he makes a very strong, rational case for legalization:
“Unlike alcohol, it [mescalin] does not drive the taker into the kind of uninhibited action which results in brawls, crimes of violence and traffic accidents. A man under the influence of mescalin quietly minds his own business.”
Right now, the reason psychedelics are illegal is that “they have no medical value.” But lots of other things that have no medical value are legal, for instance cigarettes. Cigarettes and other tobacco products have been proven to cause all kinds of lung and dental disease to the user, and secondhand smoke has been proven to be dangerous as well. And yet, they are still quite legal. In spite of the risks associated with secondhand smoke, adults are as free as they please to smoke in their homes with their children, so the issue can’t be that psychedelics are especially dangerous, or that the government outlaws them because they care about our health. Alcohol, while helpful as a stress reliever, is also legal, even though it causes people to lose their better judgment, which can possibly lead to violence, drunk driving, and other crimes, and yet it remains on the shelf. Candy, soda, and fast food have little to no nutritional value and have definitely been linked with health problems, and yet there is no conservative outcry to outlaw any of them. People overdose on prescription pills all the time and they aren’t going anywhere, neither are guns and knives, nor cars, in spite of the fact that they are involved in many injuries and deaths each year, some of them intentional.
My point is, as rational, modern people we can see that there is definitely another solution out there besides flat-out prohibition and arrests, which are little more than modern-day lynchings. My proposal is this: let psychedelics be legal, but with a few pro-quos in order to appease the conservatives (like I said, it’s better than total prohibition). Such as:
-an age restriction
-a psychological/stress test to see if someone can be trusted to trip, much like a driver’s license test checks to see if a person can be trusted behind the wheel of a car (but without renewal fees, cause that’s just lame).
-strongly encourage people to trip with a sober buddy, or in the privacy of their own home, so as to avoid accidents and avoid fears of public intoxication. of course, driving under the influence of psychedelics would be a bad idea, much like drunk driving is bad.
-putting information out there letting people know what a trip is like and the right way to prepare for one, so that they know if they are ready to handle it or not (again like learning how to drive or operate any other vehicle, in this case the vehicle is your mind), letting people know that the effects will pass so there is no reason to be afraid.
-making sure people know ahead of time that they are responsible for what they do while high, just like people are held responsible for what they do while drunk, or driving, or while using weapons. so again, be sure you are in the right frame of mind before committing to a trip.
Again, I’m not trying to take something fun and ruin it, I’m just trying to negotiate here, to try and take some steps to relax this medieval attitude the law is stuck in. Right now, people are getting hardcore jail time just for having the stuff, and as we all know jail ruins lives, so people shouldn’t be put there unless they have a really good reason to go. Regular people are probably afraid that it will loose an army of crazies on the street, but what’s keeping a person from going out and committing crimes only under the influence of stress, poor anger management issues, or other mental health troubles? Like I was saying, we know psychedelics aren’t illegal for health reasons, and that these particular substances themselves, like other things, aren’t what’s hurting people. People do that on their own. So my question is, what’s the next step? If one were to be serious about talking legalization, what’s next?
Its just not important enough now to be addressed – obama won’t even talk about marijuana politically so psychedelics aren’t even going to be recognized as a legitimate subject to listen to.
Why were you – in the first place – against more psychedelic threads? Were you also against threads on coffee or drinking? Why psychedelics? Stigma? Bias?
The same reason you at first were against reading more about them is the same reason people don’t want to discuss them. It is SUCH a loaded issue and SO much stigma is attributed to them its going to take another awakening like the gay movement is under going now, or the likes. But first marijuana has to get it’s foot in the door.
@ijesuschrist, I was against them because there were a lot of them already and wanted some fresh topics. I enjoy using psychedelics, and have learned a lot of valuable info on them from this site which has helped me prepare and enjoy my trips – but I just don’t want to beat a topic to death, like I said. Don’t want things to get boring around here, ya know?
I don’t like talking about them either because of that same reason – people who don’t like them may be driven even more away if I rub it in their faces. . .
Sorry didn’t know you were in the same boat.
But like I said – it isn’t going to come any time soon. You can always write your congressmen (women). It really is the only thing you could do at this point. It may at least open them up a little if they hear from it from somewhere else.
Yes, I know it’s a long shot but I feel there is a strong, rational, logical case for legalization considering what other things society allows. People fear what they don’t understand, and I think a fundamental lack of understanding is the main issue here. Just like how people hate on communism because a lot of people grew up during the Cold War and had it pounded into their heads that Communism = Satan, so do people hate on psychedelics because there is no effort made to try to understand them, they are just labeled “bad” along with heroin, crack, etc. even though they have no real connection any more than alcohol or tobacco do.
The things I pointed out are simply an appeal to reason over society’s mindless, fear-based desire to proverbially hunt and burn witches.
I believe the reason for the things that are legal/ illegal remaining the way they are is largely due to general built up perspectives through society rather than the more logical exploration of all their attributes. When I was younger I was more anti drug because of the way everyone around me acted towards them, the said extreme consequences, and the witnessed negative effects on people who abused them (mainly alcohol and cigarettes but it was all put in such a broad category of “drugs”). Thankfully, I soon realized how to think and explore things for myself, knowing I wouldn’t be FUCKED! if I chose to blow some herb like many wanted me to (and genuinely) believe.
On the other hand things like candy obviously have an innocent view to most even though, in reality, it just tastes good for a bit, gives you a happy feeling, then leaves you wanting more with a negative nutritional effect on your body. Most people just generally follow shared perspectives than thinking more logically.
Ultimately, I believe nothing should be illegal and everyone should be able to make choices for themselves. Instead of trying to scare people, we should make an effort to fully educate everyone about these things, their effects, how it can be beneficial and what can happen/ how it can be used improperly. I know when I found out marijuana wasn’t actually the way a lot of people around me see it as, I was only mad I was lied to which only creates a counterproductive situation.
I don’t think psychedelics will be even considered for legalization anytime soon either. It’s just a bunch of little steps everyone has to take to see any progress in society in general, I think we’re getting somewhere though.
To be honest, it’s just not that important. Psychedelics aren’t things that are generally consumed a lot. I mean, users will probably only use DMT a handful of times, mushrooms maybe a dozen or two, same with LSD; and that’s leaning towards the liberal side.
Plus, you make it seem like you want to be in public while doing these, which is something that is generally discouraged. If your going to be doing it in your house, or a secluded area of nature, you’re probably not getting caught.
Call me a conspiracy-theorist…but think about it this way. When a person gets drunk, they get mad and just act like an ass or whatever. Often, when a person takes psychedelics, or even just smokes pot, they sit around and talk about how fucked up the government is, right? Speaking from experience, during many a stoner circle or acid trip, the conversation is slowly turned towards the government, towards society, towards corruption and consumerism and “why can’t we just all get along, man?” and what not. This doesn’t happen as much when you’re drunk, as you’re usually too busy calling your ex or getting into a bar fight. So, naturally, the government has every right to fear psychedelics. And what the government fears, it makes illegal.
I don’t think you can find many people who have taken psychedelics and not “evolved” (for lack of a better term) to a different way of thinking. It’s totally logical for the government to prohibit the use of drugs like these. If they didn’t, and psychedelics became more prevalent (which, in my opinion, their usage is already pretty common, but maybe those are just the people I gravitate to…), the government would lose it’s power. Now, do I agree with them on this stance? No. I do not think they should be illegal because I think psychedelics can be useful tools in expanding your mind and learning beautiful lessons that can change your life, and I think adults should have the right to make up their own minds about them. But I do understand why the government would be afraid of a people who, as a whole, ingested large quantities of LSD and DMT, because that would be a people who did not stand for the kind of shit they’re doing right now.
@alexmayle, “Plus, you make it seem like you want to be in public while doing these, which is something that is generally discouraged. If your going to be doing it in your house, or a secluded area of nature, you’re probably not getting caught.”
No, I don’t want to be in public doing them – mostly because it causes anxiety and ruins the trip. I know, as other people who trip should know, that doing them in public would be a bad move because of the very nature of the substances, let alone their legal status. Other things that I don’t want to do is having to make risky arrangements to get them, or worse, being in danger of arrest/fines simply for having the stuff (both of which are even more sources of anxiety). You’re right in that doing them in my own home carries little legal risk, but it’s the buying part that is the trouble. But they are not an actual health hazard/community problem like heroin or crack, so being penalized for having psychedelics is rediculous.
I knew a guy who almost got 50 years in jail simply for having a lot of acid and shrooms in his home. He was nonviolent and had no other criminal record. If the laws were changed, he could have instead been a legitimate businessman. That’s exactly why it is an important issue, because people are being thrown in jail over it.
I think part of the reason psychedelics are illegal today is because of the way it makes you think. They can’t have free thinking individuals who are one with nature and oneself in this media driven, consumer economy.
Something that SHOULD be explored is instead of jail time that serves nothing, rather a rehabilitation back into society. Psychedelics should be used for this. Also for alcoholism and other addictions.
Its really a shame. Some of my lifes biggest ephiphenies came from psychedelics. Our ancestors also embraced their gnostic properties and may have taught ancient civilizations about universal concepts and properties. Their usage with helping people with PTSD is also serverely under rated and accepted. The truth is coming to light ,however, and that is inspiring.
Mind expansion is a threat to the establishment which contributes to their illegality.