I had two interesting relative thoughts, if we are punished and we do not question our punishment does that make us weak? And does accepting punishment and submitting give us mental strength?
Like if I were to of committed a crime that was in my nature, and I didn’t question why I was locked up then I would be lying to myself.
Or if I did something that was an accident against my nature but didn’t hesitate to argue that it was an accident and took the punishment, does that make me mentally strong?
Seem to not know how to feel about these things, your opinions?
well… I’m unsure about this.
Since right and wrong are societally constructed.. who is to say it goes in either direction?
Hope this helps…
Depends what aspect of your mind you’re talking about. And what kind of questioning.
Fighting back always strengthens your mindframe, but it can weaken other parts of your mind, especially awareness and sense of truth. Because to keep a strong mindframe often means you must close your mind and project. Especially when you’re fighting for untruth or uncertainties, that’s guaranteed to lock you down.
If you do not question when you’re punished for something you didn’t do wrong, then you are plain weak. If you submit, then you are plain weak. Submission does not strengthen the mind, it only weakens it.
Your mind is always weakened when you’re not questioning. The fact that a person does not question is a surefire indicator of a weak mind.
A weak mind is never free. Not all strong minds are free either, but a weak mind can never be free.
Here’s some questions. What IS your nature? What IS an accident, REALLY?
A strong mind needs no punishment, it punishes itself sufficiently.
Regardless of strength of mind, most artificial/external punishments are just salt in the wounds. Completely unnecessary.
@highideals, Yeah, that helps a lot, so because right and wrong are social constructs to keep us in line we feel an adequate punishment ensues based on our experiences with law or truth or Truth, and weather or not we agree with it.
So is it safe to say with what you’ve said we as humans developed a system that punishes for what many many many individuals feel is an adequate punishment for things a person outside the scope deems acceptable? Wow. That is quite enlightening.
And if you believe in a Truth, heaven/hell that is more up to you (considering there is no physical proof of either). It could be used as a way to cope with a considerable amount of selfish gains that one feels like society shouldn’t punish for.
Thanks for your help you really took the time to figure this brain teaser out I appreciate it so much :)
@manimal, Thanks for taking your time to get to me on this perplexing issue I’ve been pondering.
“Fighting back always strengthens your mindframe, but it can weaken other parts of your mind, especially awareness and sense of truth”
Okay, I agree with that. And you say that an extreme rebellion is a stupid rebellion basically? Like, I maybe able to argue a point but am I arguing it and neglecting that I don’t believe all of it just to prove myself completely correct.
So fighting for untruths and uncertainties locks me down? That is very perceptive, because If I know it to be untrue, or I feel uncertain that what I am saying is true, I am only the only one that knows that personally. But if I keep battling it then I am just projecting a view point in it’s stereotype so to speak.
I agree constantly questioning is what keeps a strong mind, but I feel like submitting is necessary to avoid suffering when force or logic can not prevail. So I ran into that wall.
But I like what you have to say on weak minds being weak because they are weak in the first place. I do believe that… I believe it can change, with dedication.
And the reactive state is something that is punishing all in its own.
How strong does a mind have to be to be free? Is my new question for you. How is it measured? By actions or thoughts or a combination I wonder? But there are always prisons the mind can not conceive. So how strong and how perceptive must one be?
Do you think we should even have a legal system if they are unnecessary, or do you think it is good as salt in the wounds even though it is unnecessary?
I am looking for this information myself, but I appreciate you helping me sort it all out :)
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