Purpose of a Soldier
It seems that it is considered morally wrong to not support our troops. Americans are expected to unquestioningly respect and admire the troops for their service. What purpose are our soldiers serving these days ? It seems obvious to me that the U.S. is not in Iraq or Afghanistan to fight evil Nazis or protect innocent people. In fact many of those people hate the soldiers and don’t want them there. .However, year after year thousands of people are killed and billions of dollars are lost . This is why I don’t and many other people don’t support the war. Therefore it would seem logical that you can’t support the troops if you don’t support the war , right?
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@smalls Way to discuss in a civilized manner, immediately going for the ad hominem bullshit like an 8yo ADHD kid. Very mature…
If I’ve been part of any military? I served a while in Kosovo and later in Afghanistan, it wasn’t very long ago that my contract ran out.
Desertion is punishable by death in some backwards countries, and long prison sentences in others. Yes, it is punishable, but that’s a risk a person must be willing to take in order to be free. If you can’t take a risk like that, you don’t really want to be free that much, and then you might as well serve. Freedom is something a man must take, it will never be given to him. If you sacrifice freedom for safety, you deserve neither.
I never said you don’t have the right to disobey unlawful orders. Correct orders must nonetheless be obeyed, that’s the deal. Pulling the trigger is indeed your choice, and so is staying or leaving. It’s all your choice, there’s nobody else to blame.
A game player? You gave your time and attention to someone else’s cause, just because they offered money and some other stuff. You got your strings pulled, mate. That makes you a puppet. And you could have ended up in situations where you more or less “had to” kill people, just for some payment, so it looks like there’s a bit of monster in the equation too.
Being a patriot is another puppet trait, and the rulers of the US are monsters, so you just validated my claims anyway.
They say war is hell, and it’s easy to see why. Being surrounded by death is no fun at all, anyone with real experience knows that.
No. Not really. Yep. Nope. Not really. Nopetinope.
How would having a bank account turn someone into a puppet? It’s nice to have a place to put my money, and getting interest is nice too. I’m gaining from it, and it’s not like the situation is out of my control.
Now THIS is laughable. Your assumptions are not correct. I do not live under anyone’s system, sure I am part of some systems but there is nothing controlling me there, and I could easily leave at any given time. Using the internet, puppetish? How? I am simply using an electronic device to communicate, there is nobody controlling me there. And I’m not exactly known for following rules, which you probably remember.
Sure, I was a major puppet, I wouldn’t deny that. But that was in the past, I have no strings to pull. I think that’s the biggest advantage of this lifestyle.
What if you lost your job and the situation became out of your control. They can screw your credit, and claim anything you own that’s worth money if it came down to it. They convince you about what your making off them, but they’re making more off you than you make off them.
If you want to close out your account they can tell you that you owe them money for closing your account. If you ignore them they can put you in collections. They can screw you over for a minimum of 8 years and they still have you convinced that your the one in control.
Yes, it is an excuse. And I don’t know about you, but I think death would be a very inconvenient penalty. I get your point, but as I said, if you sacrifice freedom for safety you deserve no freedom. And no safety either. If you aren’t willing to face the risk of dying for what you want, you don’t deserve to have it. That’s why the people who take great risks achieve the most.
I did serve, but how has that got anything to do with agreeing with irresponsible who play the blame game? I knew what I signed up for, signing up for something without understanding the terms is idiocy. I knew I would be pushed and pulled without mercy, and I knew I would have to face a bunch of fuckers who wanted to shoot me, and I knew that maybe I’d have to kill. It was part of the deal, I chose to sign up so there was no sense in complaining. Neither did my comrades complain, they took responsibility for their choices. We all knew what we signed up for, we all knew what roles we would have to play. We learned to like it.
I’m not the one that doesn’t understand, you are. A person who signs up for something he doesn’t want is a jackass, the rest is just a bunch of excuses.
Now I ask you, have YOU served?
@manimal, where was the ad hominem? I said I didn’t want to make assumptions about you, so I asked if you ever had served. Maybe it’s not so nice to have you back, things were nice while you were away.
“You gave your time and attention to someone else’s cause, just because they offered money and some other stuff. You got your strings pulled, mate.”
Hmm… that sounds like every job, or are people in your world just doing shitty jobs they hate out of the kindness of their hearts? My point was that I wasn’t delusional about what would happen, or what I might have to do, I knew full well what it entailed, and I thought the benefits outweighed the costs (still do).
Being a patriot is a “puppet trait?” I didn’t say I thought my country was perfect, we can do no wrong, and everything we touch turns to gold. Just simply that I love the US, I hate the direction we seem to be going, but I’m happy to have been born here and I think we still have the potential to right the ship.
“Correct orders must nonetheless be obeyed, that’s the deal. Pulling the trigger is indeed your choice, and so is staying or leaving. It’s all your choice, there’s nobody else to blame.”
I completely agree with you there, but I didn’t stay in because I was afraid of punishment, I’m sure that may be the case for some people though.
I don’t have a job. Remember in my last post when I answered “no” to your question “do you have a job?” Priceless.
Nor will the situation go out of my control, since I pay attention to what I’m doing. But let’s say it did, it wouldn’t bother me one bit. So what if I lost a bunch of shit? It’s just a bunch of stuff, some of which is more or less just abstract concepts, there’s plenty of stuff in this world. But let’s say I did care about this stuff, and they wanted to take it, I could prevent it through methods such as hiding or misleading. They make money off of the accumulation of many people’s savings, not a single person, and ironically people with more savings get more returns. And if they were making a bit more off the deal than I, that would be worth it for the service and I would know.
But it’s all off topic. This is about soldiers, not money. If you want to discuss money we can do so elsewhere.
@ortezjp Now this is good. Indeed, signing up for something you don’t want is crazy, and they’re definitely wasting their talent on fighting when they could instead help build and improve.
@ortezjp, “In fact many of those people hate the soldiers and don’t want them there”
Can I ask where you get this ‘fact’? Is it from experience? Or is that what the media tells you? Certainly the Taliban and their supporters aren’t fond of us, we’re there to get them out. In fact my Battalion’s sole mission was to remove the Taliban from 1 town in the south. Say what you want about our Government’s underlying purposes for being there, we had nothing to do with any of that, ours was to protect civilians, and push the Taliban out. The only reason I bring it up is because every local Afghani that I had the pleasure of meeting was very grateful, and helpful. We built wells, protected schools, handed out school supplies and water. I can’t speak to the rest of the areas in either conflict, but in ours, they were definitely better off with us there instead of the Taliban.