Ok, I am just curious to know the order in which people out there have taken on psychoactives (include whatever you want as part of your list) and also the order that you would recommend taking in order to make each experience a smooth stepping stone to the next. There is a lot of information out there about everything individually but I want to know their relationships and etc.
-You could do a simple ranking method (1st, 2nd, 3rd)
-You could do a scale method (1-10; 5 stars)
-All could use a detailed recount of our involvement
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Here’s my order, since people have been listing theirs:
7. Adderall and Vyvanse
The first time I ever smoked weed it was out of a bong, and we smoked some medical marijuana. I was 14. I have NEVER been so high before OR after that experience. I had one of the most psychedelic experiences of my entire life. I wasn’t sure if weed was harmful, so I psyched myself out into thinking that I had died. My friend told me that my eyes rolled back into my head and I blacked out. It was the craziest thing ever. Time froze and I saw my friend drinking water from a water bottle, but the water was suspended in mid-air. It was crazy, lol.
I smoked cigs for a year or so, but I was able to quit after I got my wisdom teeth pulled because I wasn’t able to smoke. So I just quit. That’s about it… Cigarettes are nasty, in my opinion. They calm your nerves, sure, but so does meditation, and meditation is good for you.
I had spinal fusion surgery in December of ’08 when I was 15, and as a result I became VERY addicted to Percocet and Vicodin. I took a shitload of them over the span of two years…and, to be honest, it was amaaaazing. BUT, it was an addiction nonetheless, and if I hadn’t stopped I could have done some serious damage to my liver (not that I wasn’t already). But yeah, painkillers are so nice. They make you feel very blissful and warmhearted. But I believe it’s better to go do a hard workout to get that feeling naturally. Painkillers are just artificial endorphins. You can produce endorphins naturally :)
There’s not much to say about MDMA. I mean, there is, but it’s pretty simple. It is called “ectasty” for a reason, and is probably the most aptly named drug out there. It literally is ecstasy in the truest sense of the word. NOTHING feels better than when you take a couple E pills, listen to some electronic music, and hang out with some close friends (especially of the opposite sex. Holy fucking shit….)
….BUT, I honestly despise ecstasy with a passion. It feels TOO good, it is just WAY too unnaturally pleasurable. The comedown absolutely suuuuuucks, to the point where you want to kill yourself because you are so depressed. And yes, one of my best friends last year actually did shoot himself in the head during a comedown on MDMA. It was one of the most depressing periods I’ve had in a long time… I really miss him :/
So, don’t do MDMA, but if you do, do some Molly, and please, don’t get addicted. It is sooooo easy to get addicted. It is VERYYYY useful for therapy, and can help people get over some very difficult things that they suffer from, like PTSD, but like I said, two of my best friends attempted suicide because of it, and one succeeded. It is just a horrible drug, in my opinion. But yeah, it feels fucking good as hell.
Adderall and Vyvanse (the new adderall) are basically just prescription stimulants that give you a lot of energy and enable you to focus laser beams out of your eyeballs if you take too much. They are very helpful if you can’t focus (WHICH DOESN’T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE ADHD. YOU MIGHT JUST BE REALLY SMART/CREATIVE AND ARE EASILY BORED BY MONOTONY IN SCHOOL. DON’T LET DOCTORS FORCE THESE ON YOU. THEY WILL TRY.) But….uhhhh…..hehe….anyway, these stimulants are helpful when it comes to school work. They are addicting though, so be careful.
And then there’s mushrooms.
Oh, mushrooms. <3
I'm tempted to write a huge monologue about mushrooms, but I am not going to do that. All I am going to say is this:
If you take mushrooms on a nice, sunny day with one or two CLOSE friends at a very, very comfortable place, like your house or something when your parents aren't home, or your apartment, or wherever you live, you can honestly have a LIFE-CHANGING EXPERIENCE. You owe it to yourself to take mushrooms at least once in your life. Every human being alive deserves this experience… It is utterly sublime, a spiritual journey that takes you to the center of your mind, ending with an intellectual crescendo, a cognitive orgasm, a merging with the entire cosmos, complete dissolution into the pools of heaven's love. Ahhhhh :)
I'm not too knowledgable about LSD because I have only taken it like 3 or 4 times, and only two of those times did I take more than one tab. But, from what I have gathered, LSD is a more controllable trip. It makes you feel like a Greek philosopher mixed with a cup of Jello-pudding… with some John Lennon sprinkled on top. If you take a ton of it, you have a pretty intense experience. But, if you only take like 2 tabs, it is just a really groovy (when you are on LSD, you truly understand why the hippies said "groovy" a lot. It really IS groovy!) experience, a funktastic, existentially satisfying episode of tubular delirium.
LSD makes me feel like a scientist when I am one it. Whenever I am on LSD I just want to perform science experiments and deconstruct the Universe to understand it better.
Oh… I forgot to write about Salvia. Well, fuck Salvia. That's really all I have to say about that. It's just a frightening, stupid experience that doesn't really leave you with anything profound or insightful. I am only speaking from my experience of course, BUT, many of my friends have reported the same thing, so I am pretty confident in this assumption. Do it if you want, but it's much cooler to take Psilocybin mushrooms or LSD.
Psychedelics are not "drugs." They are sort of like…spiritual microscopes. They allow you to take your mind out of your head, lay it out flat in front of you, and examine it as you would a map. The reason why people have "bad trips" is because they are not in touch with who they really are, so when they trip out, the psychedelic exposes all of the repressed issues that they have buried in their subconscious mind. It is like throwing a bunch of dead bodies into your basement, and one day you go down there and turn on the lights. Obviously if you have been doing nothing but throwing dead bodies into your basement you are going to flip the fuck out when you go down there and turn on the lights.
BUT! If you take care of your basement, you have nothing to worry about. Be honest, be kind, be compassionate, be gentle, be forgiving, and be selfless (at least try, lol). If you follow these rules and take a psychedelic, you will experience the extreme bliss that comes from a clean conscience. If you are a dick, psychedelics will utterly destroy you. BUT, YOU WILL EMERGE AS A NEW PERSON. Psychedelics take your ego (the psychological virus who cares about its looks, its money, its popularity, etc) and shatter it into ten thousand pieces. What is left is your TRUE nature, your TRUE identity, which is indeed the Universe itself having a human experience. :)
You are me and I am you!
DMT IS KING. You cannot beat it. There is nothing like it. It is the lubricant of your own soul.
MUSHROOMS are DMT with a side-story, an analogue. They are the most wholesome of the psychedelics that can be used recreationally, and when injected have the effect of DMT.
SALVIA is the most potent psychoactive chemical ever, per weight. A visible speck of it would trip hundreds and hundreds. Lady Salvia is of such a high and ethereal vibration that most humans cannot withstand the intensity of the experience and come out regretting.
CANNIBIS is more potent of a psychedelic per weight than mushrooms but is not of quite so high a vibration. Your body loves it. It can be used everyday in great degrees with only benefits.
In my sentiment, those are the only ones worth intentionally making a part of your life beyond experimentation. They are healthy physically and immensely wholesome spiritually and mentally even when you may feel like you hated your experience. If you do, it wasn’t the molecule’s fault.
@lytning91, ya most of the people I talk to just get real calm and happy. One time I had an idea after smoking I went and found my friend who is an active astral traveler and has an extremely open third eye chakra, I went up to him and told him to focus his energy on his third eye, I then put my finger up to his third eye and focused all my energy through my finger. He then jumped back because he said that he had a huge electric shock go straight through his head when I did that. Ever since then I have gone further and further into the highs to the point where I am almost completely astral projected. I have a gram of purple trainwreck at home but I can’t smoke until my piss test at work on Monday, needless to say I can’t wait, and if anything really weird happens I will share it on here.
@adamsmith, well done, sir. This write up was fantastic and, aside form the bad news on Salvia, I liked all of what I heard. I really wanna get to that place where it all just explodes and I can face the inside instead of the outside for once. I have had some pretty good times, but have yet to have the centering experience you describe. I hope to, I want to, but really, I feel I NEED to. I think we all do, to a degree.
Anyway, thanks for the input. This thread has been really awesome so far and I hope more people like you jump in it!
Vaporized or intravenous DMT is really the way to go… The trip is FAST, sortof short and intense, but you will NOT reach the capability of experience letting your stomach slowly filter-in the compound. If you have DMT, toke it! You won’t add volatile MAOI, other chemicals, preparations, NASTY taste to your experience and it will pay off more. If you want that sort of trip, although Ayahuasca would be somewhat different than these, Mushrooms are for you. Don’t pass on the opportunity to have the pure DMT experience.
TO SMOKE DMT:
If you have a vaporizer, use it! Many vapes will not work, since DMT melts to a wax immediately with heat.
Most people will have to put it on weed in a bowl. When using a lighter for DMT… DO NOT START OUT BY TOUCHING THE FLAME TO THE DMT!
Hold the flame ABOVE the bowl and pull hard on the bowl to pull the flame’s heat thru the dmt. This is for two reasons: One, it avoids pyrolyzing the DMT and destroying much of it. It will melt into the weed, but your first hits will be mostly of DMT, which is the other reason – weed will color the effect and not allow a full pure DMT experience.
After the DMT is well-melted into the weed after the first hit or three, go ahead and dig the flame in but not before that point.
Hold all hits in as long as you can!
TAKE THE THIRD HIT
@lytning91, it doesn’t matter if your body is used to those toxins now.
With MAOI, your enzyme defenses to those toxins are DISABLED and those toxins will become extra extra toxic.
People can commonly go to the hospital and/or die due to this. The way to go is to find out the foods etc. that are extra-toxic with MAOI in the system and avoid them in the week+ before AND after the trip.
In my opinion, Mushrooms and Marijuana are really all you need. I am against putting artificially synthesized chemicals in my body, so I have not and will not ever try LSD or DMT or Spice(especially not, this one is just stupid) or anything similar. But I don’t think anybody needs anything more than simple mushrooms in the first place. They are wondrous and magical and spiritually revealing and just plain beautiful. I love the fact that they can be picked in the wild and consumed at once, or dried first and eaten. It means that our prehistoric ancestors could have consumed them, before Man was corrupted by civilization. In fact, I believe psilocybin mushrooms have been known to have grown naturally around Mt. Sinai around biblical times…
But the experience of tripping mushrooms, for me, was just an intensely deep compassion and love for everything that is alive. I walked out into the woods, and I could feel the life-force within the trees, the moss, the grass, and the water. They didn’t look any different, but they were absolutely beautiful, because I could feel the life-force radiating through my body. I took off my shirt and started dancing in a state of pure bliss. Every person who I thought of while tripping (I was alone), I could only feel an intense joy and appreciation for. I wanted to contact each and every person to tell them how much they meant to me, and how beautiful they are, even though I was only casually acquainted with many of them.
At one point I laid down next to a dog and a cat, and the three of us cuddled on the living room floor. They were my friends pets, and had never been so friendly with me before, but I believe they could sense the intense compassion and love radiating out from my body. I even felt and intense love and appreciation for these animals.
In addition to all this, I found that every time I laughed gently, I experienced a small pocket of euphoria that radiated throughout my body from my heart-area. I was constantly letting out this controlled, giggle-laugh, that seemed to represent an overwhelming appreciation with the beauty of the world. It felt like, we live in a world so unbelievable beautiful and perfect, all I could do was laugh. But it was never an out-of-control laugh, it was a little giggle-burst every few seconds.
I guess I kind of missed the point of this thread, but I was inspired by Adam Smith’s post, which was great. I would honestly advise people to avoid all drugs except marijuana, mushrooms, and alcohol if you like to party… You never know what artificial chemicals are secretly doing to your body that might effect you in the longterm.
@lytning91, I have had lots of the others but not Salvia. It became illegal in my state shortly before I became interested. I have done plenty of research on it, chemically and experientially, and my friend Teonanacoatl feeds me intuitions.
A few of my friends have also given me their reports of Salvia. Some if it was just straight-up nuts even as far as I’m concerned.
Lady Salvia is of very high vibration, but of such high vibration that the difference between it and the locally common human vibration is such a great chasm that with most people a volatile mixture of unlike, thus dissonant, energies occurs.
@ijesuschrist WOW! That’s crazy because Salvia is SUPER POTENT per molecule. I know nothing of NBoMe, this is the first time I’ve seen those letters in that order. Nor do I think I’m interested in trying them, since the ancient and fine-tuned processes of nature have not matched them to us, but I’d be curious on good reports of them.
@ijesuschrist, I am perfectly fine with this response and when I was more interested in a perceivable time line based on the effects. I know that everyone’s experiences can be different, I just wanted to know the order their journey went and the order they think a smooth transition throughout the entirety of psychoactives would be
@nightowl, What about:
These are the ones that I would have immediately accessible. The last one is similar in function to a volcano, but I think must certainly have a screen
@tymr, got some good news for you.
Your pineal gland stores and emits DMT. It is a naturally-ocurring substance in thousands of lifeforms and it’s chemical cousins are mediums of neural messagery and other fuctions in ALL life.
Technically speaking it doesn’t get more natural than DMT. It’s a skip away from serotonin and uses the same receptors. It’s more natural to the human experience than even cannabis and mushrooms.
Just try it and see.
@biga69, man, if I were you I would just love that it happens that way for you. I have never met ANYONE that has the magnitude of psychoactivity you have from weed. People always say it helps make other PAs more intense, or potent, but this is just completely 180’ed
@adamsmith, thank you! It’s just that I interchange what I’m looking at a lot and I will not see the notification thing and pass up a reply by mistake.
So if these have DMT, how have they not been picked off of the shelves and banned? Also, I imagine that with these you probably would not be able to go to the extent that straight dose of DMT would take you? I am interested in them though, and would probably get some if i found them in vitamin store
@ijesuschrist, it sounds like this would be perfect for someone who doesn’t enjoy inhaling smoke so I suppose this is what I will be seeking. I don’t know the next time I will be able to get to the Amazon though, lol. I definitely want to get some of this stuff and try it out though. it seems more reliable in affecting oneself than DMT. Like you said, people complain about proper ignition and have biased reports on the effect.
Also, does anyone have anything positive to say about peyote? I’ve yet to hear anything about it, despite having heard about everything ELSE under the sun
Alright so here’s a few lists I’ll add to this discussion.
In order of when they were tried:
5. Pure MDMA
8. Assorted Opiate Pain Killers
In order of which I would personally rate them, based on experiences I’ve had thus far:
1. Marijuana (all time favorite, its uses are literally unlimited)
2. MDMA (its bliss in powder form)
3. Opiate Painkillers (make you feel so good, I only use them sparingly)
4. Alcohol (always has its place)
5. Mushrooms (only done twice, each time was a cool experience, will increase dose in the future)
6. LSD (also only done twice, but also very cool, and looking to up the dose in the future)
7. DXM (some people don’t like it, but I’ve had no negative experiences. The high can have a tendency to feel “dirty” though)
8. Kratom (just started with it, its very cool but somewhat limited. Great to ease social tension, but nothing much more)
9. Adderall (took to much recreationally and it made me too jittery. very helpful for studying at lower doses, however)
10. Tobacco (used to adore it, then hated it, now its neutral to me. In my opinion, its negative effects always outweigh its positive ones)
I’m very experienced with the first four substances on my favorite list, and not so familiar with the bottom six. I’m still looking to for a psychoactive that will really help me understand myself better, and look to delve more into psychedelics in the future. As far as the flow of my use, it seemed natural to me. If anyone has any suggestions on what to try next for further insight, please let me know! Thanks!
@tymr, Hey there.
First of all, nice trip! It was awesome to read, and I just love hearing about everyone having such an awesome connection with themselves when they dive into this stuff. It is just great to know that people are out there exploring themselves this passionately.
Anyway, I am totally with you on the chemical thing and respect that practice. You will be happy to know that both DMT and Mescaline both occur naturally and you will not have to limit yourself if you choose to go further. I learned just today that DMT is naturally sourced in a certain plant mixture commonly called Ayahuasca and Mescaline is the active ingredient, so to speak, in Peyote.
I am ready to have such an intense moment as the one you described, and eagerly await its arrival (though obviously not going to force such things)
And what ^^^ he said =)
@jordan, hmmm. Yeah, I read your write-up on Ketamine and I was basically floored. I had gotten a pretty bad impression of it up until your write-up (and I think you mentioned that people give it a really bad rep without just cause). For me, I wanna go more for the things that I can find in nature most, if only those things. For this reason, I feel more hesitant about K and Mescaline.
Another good questions to through in (gonna edit the OP and mention here):
Do you think there’s a better experience found from natural PAs than synthesized ones?
@nightowl, hmm. This also intrigues me, but I don’t know how easy it would be able to get ahold of in the states either. I’m in one of the conservative capitals of the world (Florida) so I’m thinking my options are limited. My interest, however, is not
@aliwine, dang breh, dunno what to say. I truly only know of salvia chemically and from the reports of others as well as what my own studies inform me is true of chemicals that behave this way biochemically.
I didn’t smoke weed right the first time I tried, just got a burnt-plant taste…
Hot plates are very common, like for keeping food warm at potlucks and stuff.