@nightowl, hmm. This also intrigues me, but I don’t know how easy it would be able to get ahold of in the states either. I’m in one of the conservative capitals of the world (Florida) so I’m thinking my options are limited. My interest, however, is not
Ayahuasca isn’t on the list I posted because it’s just DMT mixed with a naturally-occuring MAOI [common in certain medications] that allows it to be orally active. So, it’s orally-active DMT that lasts with the timeframes of a LSD trip instead of the short immediate otherworld veil of vaporized or intravenous DMT.
Since the Harmine, Harmaline, MAOIs of Ayahuasca come from the Yage vine, Banisterous Caapi, I would include it on my list considering that it is also natural, wholesome, shamanic.
@ijesuschrist, what is the recommended way of smoking DMT? Because one of my friends smoked it and didn’t remember any part of the trip, but he was passed out for like 2 hours…
@nightowl, see I hadn’t really heard that much about DMT so I never had sparked up the interest to go look into it. I have been so packed with information in the now 3 days I’ve been on this site, it’s intense. Anyway, I think I’d opt for the ayahuasca over trying to inject/inhale DMT, just because of preference. Also, though, I like the way that you described the experience of the MAOi versus the abrupt nature of straight DMT. I suppose that I would be willing to try either, but I know that I would have a better go of ingestion. Also, as much as it pains me to admit it, my diet is such that my body is quite used to toxins. It’s the biggest burden I carry, honestly.
@biga69, I had a friend of mine tell me his experience, and he said that it was him and a friend. They both were gonna try it, but the first guy took a hit of it and then freaked out and basically ruined the rest of the DMT, saying that no one should ever try this stuff. It seems to me that they also said something about it being DMT with something else, so that I probably accounts for it.
Vaporized or intravenous DMT is really the way to go… The trip is FAST, sortof short and intense, but you will NOT reach the capability of experience letting your stomach slowly filter-in the compound. If you have DMT, toke it! You won’t add volatile MAOI, other chemicals, preparations, NASTY taste to your experience and it will pay off more. If you want that sort of trip, although Ayahuasca would be somewhat different than these, Mushrooms are for you. Don’t pass on the opportunity to have the pure DMT experience.
TO SMOKE DMT:
@lytning91, it doesn’t matter if your body is used to those toxins now.
@nightowl, HOLD ON A MINUTE. You said vaporize??? Everyone I know uses vaporizes for their weed consumption. What sort of specs do you need in order to use a vaporizer with DMT? This totally opens up a MUCH more satisfactory door to using straight DMT for me. Smoking really just isn’t something I can do. I have kinda bad allergies and smoking would probably have me in shambles due to choking etc. I will do more research on MAOi’s while you respond to this and get back to you with what I find
Vaporizing is the way to go, but it will still be hot and sortof acrid. Tastes like burning plastic. But it won’t cause allergy issues. You will cough. This is why I believe intravenously is the best way to take it – it’s not coloring the fast effect with distractions.
I hate to use the word “crack pipe” but that’s the type of vaporizer you need.
Don’t let people use a pipe or vape DMT has been smoked in without cleaning it with alcohol etc. The remaining wax in the pipe could catch them by surprise when they clear a bowl.
@nightowl, Isn’t St. John’s Wort a weak MAOi? If so could you mix DMT gel with capsules of St. John’s Wort for the “ayahuasca effect”?
@nightowl, What about:
These are the ones that I would have immediately accessible. The last one is similar in function to a volcano, but I think must certainly have a screen
Alright so here’s a few lists I’ll add to this discussion.
I’m very experienced with the first four substances on my favorite list, and not so familiar with the bottom six. I’m still looking to for a psychoactive that will really help me understand myself better, and look to delve more into psychedelics in the future. As far as the flow of my use, it seemed natural to me. If anyone has any suggestions on what to try next for further insight, please let me know! Thanks!
@biga69, clever observation, if it does actually work. I would think you would need a pretty strong one though to really make the DMT take full effect. As @nightowl was saying, the body is already going to filter the stuff more because of the digestion so to use a weak MAOi might just be a huge waste
@lytning91, When you “smoke” DMT you aren’t burning it, it is the vapors of DMT. DMT is a crystalline compound, and you heat it up until it boils, which is… vaporizing it. You can make ayahuasca very easy, just google “mimosa hostilis root bark” and “B. Caapi” or “Harmala”. You mix MHRB (amount varies, if you want a strong trip, just put in a handful) with the B.Caapi (lesser amount) and boil for 12-24 hours in a little lemon juice water. Drink. Be aware though that you need to go on a special diet when ingesting MAOi’s as you can get serotonin syndrome or even death from eating some common foods.
I think you’re putting unnecessary stigma on burning it. “Smoking it” in a crack pipe seems gross, but really its not any physically different than vaporizing it with an expensive apparatus.
@biga69, for the fullest effect you essentially need a crack pipe, unfortunately.
@ijesuschrist, I was inappropriately associating it with the ignition of weed, which releases other toxins. I didn’t stop to think that DMT is DMT is DMT, and therefore the heat really doesn’t matter because only one substance can be released. Basically a face-palm moment for me, so thanks for mentioning that little bit of common sense.
Anyway, so DMT is best in some sort of pipe that can just handle it being heated and inhaled. Fair enough. If I still choose to try both, or the ayahuasca method first, I’ll take extreme caution in my diet regarding the MAOi’s. Thanks for that pro tip. And when boiling does the mixture need to be covered and boiling or just allowed to steam and etc.?
@lytning91, you want to let it boil, covered is fine for some extended period – maybe the first 12 hours. after that you would take the cover off, filter it, and boil it down to a drinkable mass.
@ijesuschrist, this sounds like it might turn out to be a flop if something goes wrong. I am sure there are really detailed instructions available somewhere though, unless it really is as simple as letting it boil for a long time. Basically, if I invest in it I just want to be successful. It would suck to go through the trouble of acquiring everything and then screwing up a piece and ruining the whole batch.
@lytning91, the vapes in the 2nd and 3rd image are a NO.
The first one looks like it will work wonderfully although I can’t really tell for sure. Your intuition based on what I’ve told you here should be all you need to know to figure it out now tho ;]
@nightowl, yeah I really haven’t had time to examine them since I do not own any of the ones shown, but have them within my grasp (if I ask nicely, and if I share lol).
@lytning91, Ok, psychoactive journey. This should be completed over a span of 1-3 months, depending on your cashitos stash.
1) A very small amount of acid. Like one or two hits.
@thomaschong, So far I am in-line with this progression. I don’t know the easiest way to procure 2C family members though, so that’s one bump in the road. Same goes with peyote, unless @nightowl was accurate when he said San Pedro was fairly easy to obtain and work with.
@lytning91, 2C-B is the best of the 2C family, in my opinion, although, you could switch it out for another 2C.
@thomaschong, what exactly does the letter stand for? I’ve heard of 2C-E before as well. And I also gotta meet a chemist friend ;)
@nightowl, Care to elaborate on the vibrations of psychedelics?
@lytning91, There are about 20 different 2C’s, they each offer unique but also similar experience, think chives vs. onions. Completely different yet so alike.
I found that with Salvia and the two times I’ve tried it it wasn’t as awesome as it’s said to be. The first time I got nothing at all except a nasty taste in my mouth. Then the second I felt fine one second then the next I fell backwards (luckily I was sitting on a bed) then the ceiling started to look like a big giant golden puzzle.
Other than that weed is great probably my favourite because it doesn’t make you feel like garbage like booze does.
And as for booze… I liked it when I was younger but I just don’t like it at all anymore.
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