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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)    2 years, 2 months ago

Ok, I am just curious to know the order in which people out there have taken on psychoactives (include whatever you want as part of your list) and also the order that you would recommend taking in order to make each experience a smooth stepping stone to the next. There is a lot of information out there about everything individually but I want to know their relationships and etc.

-You could do a simple ranking method (1st, 2nd, 3rd)
-You could do a scale method (1-10; 5 stars)
-All could use a detailed recount of our involvement

3 votes, posted 05.17.2012 at 11:47 am
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Nightowl (@nightowl)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Ayahuasca isn’t on the list I posted because it’s just DMT mixed with a naturally-occuring MAOI [common in certain medications] that allows it to be orally active. So, it’s orally-active DMT that lasts with the timeframes of a LSD trip instead of the short immediate otherworld veil of vaporized or intravenous DMT.

Since the Harmine, Harmaline, MAOIs of Ayahuasca come from the Yage vine, Banisterous Caapi, I would include it on my list considering that it is also natural, wholesome, shamanic.
BUT EVERYONE IN MODERN SOCIETIES SHOULD BE CAREFUL CONSUMING MAOI!!!!!! CAN HAVE DANGEROUS REACTIONS WITH TOXINS OF YOUR UNNATURAL DIETS

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Andrew A. (@biga69)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, what is the recommended way of smoking DMT? Because one of my friends smoked it and didn’t remember any part of the trip, but he was passed out for like 2 hours…

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@nightowl, see I hadn’t really heard that much about DMT so I never had sparked up the interest to go look into it. I have been so packed with information in the now 3 days I’ve been on this site, it’s intense. Anyway, I think I’d opt for the ayahuasca over trying to inject/inhale DMT, just because of preference. Also, though, I like the way that you described the experience of the MAOi versus the abrupt nature of straight DMT. I suppose that I would be willing to try either, but I know that I would have a better go of ingestion. Also, as much as it pains me to admit it, my diet is such that my body is quite used to toxins. It’s the biggest burden I carry, honestly.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@biga69, I had a friend of mine tell me his experience, and he said that it was him and a friend. They both were gonna try it, but the first guy took a hit of it and then freaked out and basically ruined the rest of the DMT, saying that no one should ever try this stuff. It seems to me that they also said something about it being DMT with something else, so that I probably accounts for it.

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Nightowl (@nightowl)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Vaporized or intravenous DMT is really the way to go… The trip is FAST, sortof short and intense, but you will NOT reach the capability of experience letting your stomach slowly filter-in the compound. If you have DMT, toke it! You won’t add volatile MAOI, other chemicals, preparations, NASTY taste to your experience and it will pay off more. If you want that sort of trip, although Ayahuasca would be somewhat different than these, Mushrooms are for you. Don’t pass on the opportunity to have the pure DMT experience.

TO SMOKE DMT:
If you have a vaporizer, use it! Many vapes will not work, since DMT melts to a wax immediately with heat.
Most people will have to put it on weed in a bowl. When using a lighter for DMT… DO NOT START OUT BY TOUCHING THE FLAME TO THE DMT!
Hold the flame ABOVE the bowl and pull hard on the bowl to pull the flame’s heat thru the dmt. This is for two reasons: One, it avoids pyrolyzing the DMT and destroying much of it. It will melt into the weed, but your first hits will be mostly of DMT, which is the other reason – weed will color the effect and not allow a full pure DMT experience.
After the DMT is well-melted into the weed after the first hit or three, go ahead and dig the flame in but not before that point.
Hold all hits in as long as you can!
TAKE THE THIRD HIT

@lytning91, it doesn’t matter if your body is used to those toxins now.
With MAOI, your enzyme defenses to those toxins are DISABLED and those toxins will become extra extra toxic.
People can commonly go to the hospital and/or die due to this. The way to go is to find out the foods etc. that are extra-toxic with MAOI in the system and avoid them in the week+ before AND after the trip.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@nightowl, HOLD ON A MINUTE. You said vaporize??? Everyone I know uses vaporizes for their weed consumption. What sort of specs do you need in order to use a vaporizer with DMT? This totally opens up a MUCH more satisfactory door to using straight DMT for me. Smoking really just isn’t something I can do. I have kinda bad allergies and smoking would probably have me in shambles due to choking etc. I will do more research on MAOi’s while you respond to this and get back to you with what I find

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Nightowl (@nightowl)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Vaporizing is the way to go, but it will still be hot and sortof acrid. Tastes like burning plastic. But it won’t cause allergy issues. You will cough. This is why I believe intravenously is the best way to take it – it’s not coloring the fast effect with distractions.

I hate to use the word “crack pipe” but that’s the type of vaporizer you need.
A Vapor Genie or something similar is ideal.
Vaporizers that have screens for the stuff to sit on-top of will not work because it will fall thru when it melts. That’s the most important thing to keep in mind when trying to see if you can use a vape for it.

Don’t let people use a pipe or vape DMT has been smoked in without cleaning it with alcohol etc. The remaining wax in the pipe could catch them by surprise when they clear a bowl.

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Andrew A. (@biga69)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@nightowl, Isn’t St. John’s Wort a weak MAOi? If so could you mix DMT gel with capsules of St. John’s Wort for the “ayahuasca effect”?

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago
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Matt (@eruptionwarranty)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Alright so here’s a few lists I’ll add to this discussion.
In order of when they were tried:
1. Alcohol
2. Marijuana
3. Tobacco
4. Mushrooms
5. Pure MDMA
6. DXM
7. Adderall
8. Assorted Opiate Pain Killers
9. Kratom
10. LSD
In order of which I would personally rate them, based on experiences I’ve had thus far:
1. Marijuana (all time favorite, its uses are literally unlimited)
2. MDMA (its bliss in powder form)
3. Opiate Painkillers (make you feel so good, I only use them sparingly)
4. Alcohol (always has its place)
5. Mushrooms (only done twice, each time was a cool experience, will increase dose in the future)
6. LSD (also only done twice, but also very cool, and looking to up the dose in the future)
7. DXM (some people don’t like it, but I’ve had no negative experiences. The high can have a tendency to feel “dirty” though)
8. Kratom (just started with it, its very cool but somewhat limited. Great to ease social tension, but nothing much more)
9. Adderall (took to much recreationally and it made me too jittery. very helpful for studying at lower doses, however)
10. Tobacco (used to adore it, then hated it, now its neutral to me. In my opinion, its negative effects always outweigh its positive ones)

I’m very experienced with the first four substances on my favorite list, and not so familiar with the bottom six. I’m still looking to for a psychoactive that will really help me understand myself better, and look to delve more into psychedelics in the future. As far as the flow of my use, it seemed natural to me. If anyone has any suggestions on what to try next for further insight, please let me know! Thanks!

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@biga69, clever observation, if it does actually work. I would think you would need a pretty strong one though to really make the DMT take full effect. As @nightowl was saying, the body is already going to filter the stuff more because of the digestion so to use a weak MAOi might just be a huge waste

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@lytning91, When you “smoke” DMT you aren’t burning it, it is the vapors of DMT. DMT is a crystalline compound, and you heat it up until it boils, which is… vaporizing it. You can make ayahuasca very easy, just google “mimosa hostilis root bark” and “B. Caapi” or “Harmala”. You mix MHRB (amount varies, if you want a strong trip, just put in a handful) with the B.Caapi (lesser amount) and boil for 12-24 hours in a little lemon juice water. Drink. Be aware though that you need to go on a special diet when ingesting MAOi’s as you can get serotonin syndrome or even death from eating some common foods.

I think you’re putting unnecessary stigma on burning it. “Smoking it” in a crack pipe seems gross, but really its not any physically different than vaporizing it with an expensive apparatus.

@nightowl,
NBoMe compounds are made to completely agonize or antagonize receptors in the brain. They were made by intense research by David Nichols, and are the strongest known to man, in both potency, and dose size.

@biga69, for the fullest effect you essentially need a crack pipe, unfortunately.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I was inappropriately associating it with the ignition of weed, which releases other toxins. I didn’t stop to think that DMT is DMT is DMT, and therefore the heat really doesn’t matter because only one substance can be released. Basically a face-palm moment for me, so thanks for mentioning that little bit of common sense.

Anyway, so DMT is best in some sort of pipe that can just handle it being heated and inhaled. Fair enough. If I still choose to try both, or the ayahuasca method first, I’ll take extreme caution in my diet regarding the MAOi’s. Thanks for that pro tip. And when boiling does the mixture need to be covered and boiling or just allowed to steam and etc.?

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@lytning91, you want to let it boil, covered is fine for some extended period – maybe the first 12 hours. after that you would take the cover off, filter it, and boil it down to a drinkable mass.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, this sounds like it might turn out to be a flop if something goes wrong. I am sure there are really detailed instructions available somewhere though, unless it really is as simple as letting it boil for a long time. Basically, if I invest in it I just want to be successful. It would suck to go through the trouble of acquiring everything and then screwing up a piece and ruining the whole batch.

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Nightowl (@nightowl)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@lytning91, the vapes in the 2nd and 3rd image are a NO.
The wax will fall into the device, not being very hittable, making a mess and maybe harming the vape’s heating element.

The first one looks like it will work wonderfully although I can’t really tell for sure. Your intuition based on what I’ve told you here should be all you need to know to figure it out now tho ;]

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@nightowl, yeah I really haven’t had time to examine them since I do not own any of the ones shown, but have them within my grasp (if I ask nicely, and if I share lol).

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Kniphofia (@thomaschong)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@lytning91, Ok, psychoactive journey. This should be completed over a span of 1-3 months, depending on your cashitos stash.
Abstain from alcohol when you take these drugs, at least two days before, I would recommend a week for the higher doses. Don’t eat too much, but also not too little. A light meal two hours before would be ideal. Weed is fine, but it might be a little intense the first time, so I wouldn’t mix them for a while.

1) A very small amount of acid. Like one or two hits.
2) A very small amount of shrooms.
3) 2C-B, a medium amount.
4) Peyote if you can, if not, a medium amount of shrooms.
5) Medium amount of acid.
6) A pretty high amount of shrooms, not too high, but higher than you took on 4.
7) A pretty high amount of acid.
8) A high amount of 2C-B.
9) A medium amount of shrooms, mixed with a bunch of weed.
10) A medium amount of shrooms, peyote (if you can find it), and acid.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@thomaschong, So far I am in-line with this progression. I don’t know the easiest way to procure 2C family members though, so that’s one bump in the road. Same goes with peyote, unless @nightowl was accurate when he said San Pedro was fairly easy to obtain and work with.

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Kniphofia (@thomaschong)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@lytning91, 2C-B is the best of the 2C family, in my opinion, although, you could switch it out for another 2C.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@thomaschong, what exactly does the letter stand for? I’ve heard of 2C-E before as well. And I also gotta meet a chemist friend ;)

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Eric (@blankey)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@nightowl, Care to elaborate on the vibrations of psychedelics?

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Kniphofia (@thomaschong)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@lytning91, There are about 20 different 2C’s, they each offer unique but also similar experience, think chives vs. onions. Completely different yet so alike.

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Alicia Lee (@aliwine)2 years, 2 months ago ago

I found that with Salvia and the two times I’ve tried it it wasn’t as awesome as it’s said to be. The first time I got nothing at all except a nasty taste in my mouth. Then the second I felt fine one second then the next I fell backwards (luckily I was sitting on a bed) then the ceiling started to look like a big giant golden puzzle.

Other than that weed is great probably my favourite because it doesn’t make you feel like garbage like booze does.

And as for booze… I liked it when I was younger but I just don’t like it at all anymore.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@thomaschong, I heard that people will frequently mix in other things, like X or amphetamines, and this can distinguish some from others. There any truth to this?

@aliwine, did you read the praises that @nightowl had for salvia? Seems like you two have a lot of difference to discuss

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