Ok, I am just curious to know the order in which people out there have taken on psychoactives (include whatever you want as part of your list) and also the order that you would recommend taking in order to make each experience a smooth stepping stone to the next. There is a lot of information out there about everything individually but I want to know their relationships and etc.
-You could do a simple ranking method (1st, 2nd, 3rd)
-You could do a scale method (1-10; 5 stars)
-All could use a detailed recount of our involvement
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@adamsmith, you said that DMT is used within our bodies when we sleep. If we could make our bodies release that DMT early or with more abundance, I feel like we’d have a lovely natural exploration. What is this thing you speak of, Mucuna Pruriens?
@nightowl, now your fight for salvia is quite uncommon from what I have been reading. Would you mind a little more insight into the depths and bends of it that make it, perhaps, difficult but do-able in your eyes.
@aliwine, the active chemical in Salvia is potent as fuck but it’s very lightly distributed in the plant itself so the plain plant cannot be considered potent. This is why you probably just got a bad taste in your mouth.
For those interested in Salvia, you’d need to order an “extract” 20x or above, but be very careful using it.
@lytning91, “this sounds like it might turn out to be a flop if something goes wrong. I am sure there are really detailed instructions available somewhere though, unless it really is as simple as letting it boil for a long time. Basically, if I invest in it I just want to be successful. It would suck to go through the trouble of acquiring everything and then screwing up a piece and ruining the whole batch.”
Go to DMTNexus.org for everything you could ever want to know (ever) about dmt or ayahuasca.
@nightowl, HOLD ON A MINUTE. You said vaporize??? Everyone I know uses vaporizes for their weed consumption. What sort of specs do you need in order to use a vaporizer with DMT? This totally opens up a MUCH more satisfactory door to using straight DMT for me. Smoking really just isn’t something I can do. I have kinda bad allergies and smoking would probably have me in shambles due to choking etc. I will do more research on MAOi’s while you respond to this and get back to you with what I find
@adamsmith, wow bro. Pretty powerful imagery there. I mean, yeah, I definitely like to let life happen and seamlessly meld with it, so I will seek this, but I will not force it. I know that the best time and place exists, and I want to find it and have it be meaningful.
Honestly, what would be the best thing ever, is to have this community just meet and trip together. we could go into little groups or stay alone, but to just all be there. Can you picture how amazing such a thing could be?
And yeah, I heard about the Dark Side Of The Moon thing. I sampled part of it in a past encounter, but I was baby-stepping into it.
@ijesuschrist, thank you for the reply. I don’t think I’ll ever actually go into weed personally. I’ve been around it my entire life and it just never really got my attention. I’m quite curious about DMT, but I don’t want to smoke anything (the concept of combustion to consume is just silly to me) so idk where I’d go from there. I’m SUPER curious about peyote and ayahuasca, namely because people seem to feel like those really approach more of a core spirituality. Anything to say to these statements?
I like this thread..
ecstasy(MDMA cut with maybe speed)
fly agaric mushrooms(Amanita muscaria) smoked and ingested
value to me:
weed + kanna
Vaporizing is the way to go, but it will still be hot and sortof acrid. Tastes like burning plastic. But it won’t cause allergy issues. You will cough. This is why I believe intravenously is the best way to take it – it’s not coloring the fast effect with distractions.
I hate to use the word “crack pipe” but that’s the type of vaporizer you need.
A Vapor Genie or something similar is ideal.
Vaporizers that have screens for the stuff to sit on-top of will not work because it will fall thru when it melts. That’s the most important thing to keep in mind when trying to see if you can use a vape for it.
Don’t let people use a pipe or vape DMT has been smoked in without cleaning it with alcohol etc. The remaining wax in the pipe could catch them by surprise when they clear a bowl.
@lytning91, honestly you really can’t generalize… I’ve had weed that I smoked $20 worth and felt nothing, shrooms that just made me slightly giggly and nothing else, weed that I took one hit of and was fucked up beyond reason, and mushrooms that fucked me up SO bad I blacked out and forgot how to speak for 6 hours. It all depends on the strength of the drug you’re taking which, unless it’s a pharmaceutical pill you can research and get the exact milligram dosage of(and even then), is always going to be a gamble to some extent.
I don’t think the order really matters, just start out SMALL and SLOW.
@lytning91, Ok, psychoactive journey. This should be completed over a span of 1-3 months, depending on your cashitos stash.
Abstain from alcohol when you take these drugs, at least two days before, I would recommend a week for the higher doses. Don’t eat too much, but also not too little. A light meal two hours before would be ideal. Weed is fine, but it might be a little intense the first time, so I wouldn’t mix them for a while.
1) A very small amount of acid. Like one or two hits.
2) A very small amount of shrooms.
3) 2C-B, a medium amount.
4) Peyote if you can, if not, a medium amount of shrooms.
5) Medium amount of acid.
6) A pretty high amount of shrooms, not too high, but higher than you took on 4.
7) A pretty high amount of acid.
8) A high amount of 2C-B.
9) A medium amount of shrooms, mixed with a bunch of weed.
10) A medium amount of shrooms, peyote (if you can find it), and acid.
These babies contain Serotonin, Dopamine, and DMT
They are natural, too. They are mainly used in India to treat different things, including Parkinson’s Disease. They are awesome and give you pretty cool dreams. Check them out. :)
@lytning91, ayahuasca, chemically speaking is DMT and a monoamineoxidase-inhibitor (MAOi). DMT by itself isn’t orally active, because your body breaks it down with an enzyme “Monoamineoxidase” if you take an MAOi with DMT it is orally active.
The DMT usually comes from psychotria viridis (in the amazon) or mimosa hostilis (this is where most DMT in the states comes from. The MAOi comes from B. Caapi, a vine in the amazon (or harmala extract if you get it in the states, people use this more often).
The indigenous mix the psychotria viridis and b. caapi in a giant pot, and let it boil for 24 hours, until they get a thick soup. You drink this, and it is very vile, pungent. Like drinking bitter mud. Within 20 minutes you will start to feel light and airy, warm. Then things begin to happen, and your surroundings begin to speak. All things show you their energy, their life. After this… well, anything can happen.
Smoking DMT itself kind of skips the come up, and puts you right at the dieing and being reborn stage (if you smoke it correctly, which seems to be difficult for many).
@nightowl, NBoMe compounds are now more potent than salvia, if I remember correctly.
Ive tried marijuana, salvia, spice, and mushrooms. Spiritually wise, mushrooms wins hands down. Recreationally, marijuana wins. Salvia was about a minute or two of uncontrollable laughter and the entire universe spinning at a thousand mph, no insights here. Spice was retarded, smoke marijuana.
Marijuana has slowly shaped me as who I am today. Mushrooms rapidly changed the way I view the universe and my place within it. It also opened the idea of spirituality to me. Spice did nothing to me and neither did spice.
I didn’t include tobacco and alcohol because they don’t help shape you as who you are.
I refuse to try any chemical, man made compounds besides DMT because ayahuasca is only done in tribal ceremonies.
I’ll make a prediction that people will say “you can’t rank these!”
So I can’t rank them, I use them for different purposes.
LSD and Mushrooms… mushrooms seemed more meaningful to me. DMT is very confusing, but I enjoy DMT because its just. I don’t know. I love the smell of it, I love the feel afterwards, I love how far it goes.
Salvia I do not enjoy.
Weed is so multi-purposed. I can use it for anything.
Alcohol is by far my most used, and is also multipurposed. Like I’ve said before, there is nothing like a bottle of wine under the stars.
I will admit I do enjoy ritalin.
Ayahuasca is probably my favorite of them all though, the small dose I had gave me such clarity. All things just seemed ‘right’ and I knew what to do. I’d like to go back there again.
In my opinion, Mushrooms and Marijuana are really all you need. I am against putting artificially synthesized chemicals in my body, so I have not and will not ever try LSD or DMT or Spice(especially not, this one is just stupid) or anything similar. But I don’t think anybody needs anything more than simple mushrooms in the first place. They are wondrous and magical and spiritually revealing and just plain beautiful. I love the fact that they can be picked in the wild and consumed at once, or dried first and eaten. It means that our prehistoric ancestors could have consumed them, before Man was corrupted by civilization. In fact, I believe psilocybin mushrooms have been known to have grown naturally around Mt. Sinai around biblical times…
But the experience of tripping mushrooms, for me, was just an intensely deep compassion and love for everything that is alive. I walked out into the woods, and I could feel the life-force within the trees, the moss, the grass, and the water. They didn’t look any different, but they were absolutely beautiful, because I could feel the life-force radiating through my body. I took off my shirt and started dancing in a state of pure bliss. Every person who I thought of while tripping (I was alone), I could only feel an intense joy and appreciation for. I wanted to contact each and every person to tell them how much they meant to me, and how beautiful they are, even though I was only casually acquainted with many of them.
At one point I laid down next to a dog and a cat, and the three of us cuddled on the living room floor. They were my friends pets, and had never been so friendly with me before, but I believe they could sense the intense compassion and love radiating out from my body. I even felt and intense love and appreciation for these animals.
In addition to all this, I found that every time I laughed gently, I experienced a small pocket of euphoria that radiated throughout my body from my heart-area. I was constantly letting out this controlled, giggle-laugh, that seemed to represent an overwhelming appreciation with the beauty of the world. It felt like, we live in a world so unbelievable beautiful and perfect, all I could do was laugh. But it was never an out-of-control laugh, it was a little giggle-burst every few seconds.
I guess I kind of missed the point of this thread, but I was inspired by Adam Smith’s post, which was great. I would honestly advise people to avoid all drugs except marijuana, mushrooms, and alcohol if you like to party… You never know what artificial chemicals are secretly doing to your body that might effect you in the longterm.
Recommended order of psycho-active drugs based on intensity:
1) Weed (a lot of it)
3) Mushrooms / LSD (interchangeable)
I would not recommend taking Salvia because all four times I’ve taken it have resulted in the extremely unpleasant sensations. Worse than a bad shroom trip, bad.
I’ve only included drugs that expand your mind. Alcohol, cocaine, barbiturates and all of the other chem drugs that are horrible for you don’t get a place on this list.