"Recognizing Human Insanity"

2 years, 6 months ago

Just because you can label the ‘unconscious masses’ insane, why does that make you above and outside this insanity? If you explained the state of human existence to anyone, and gave them all the reasons why our society is sick, they’d probably agree with you. But that literally changes nothing about who they are. Concepts are concepts, beliefs are beliefs, and whatever you believe makes you no higher or better than anyone else. Mental claiming implies judgement, that you are ‘above’ the unconscious masses, when in reality it is this attitude that is actually what you were judging in the first place. You just fail to see the same mechanism you are judging acting within yourself. If you view yourself as living a ‘high existence,’ and look at the way everyone else lives as wrong, you are actually just living in the same existence as everyone else. The only difference is you claim yours is higher and better. Is this whole post extremely hypocritical? It probably is. That’s why we should all learn to just shut the fuck up.

August 20, 2012 at 9:31 am

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, Again with the parataxic distortions. You’re behaving like a textbook example, GET OVER IT!

I’m not the one who refuses questioning, YOU are. I’m not the one avoiding the points made, YOU are. I’m not the one who’s trying to win a fight, YOU are.
If this stuff isn’t obvious to you, you really need to take a good long look in the mirror, dude.

These projections of yours are starting to look real silly again.

And you’re still refusing questioning. How do you think you’ll ever get past your ego when you refuse to even question it?

That’s all, folks.

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Profile photo of Mikey W Mikey W (@mikeyw829) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@manimal,
“These projections of yours are starting to look real silly again.”

I don’t get how you can’t see how it works two ways. It’s not just you presenting the objective truth to me, who can’t see beyond his own small little ego. It isn’t your objective, selfless truth and my small minded, egocentric projections. I just don’t understand you at all. Why do you feel the need to constantly talk about how it’s not you, it’s ME? If that were true, why say anything at all? You can’t see what you don’t want to see, just like you can so clearly see in me that I ‘don’t want to face myself.’ Why are you so adamant about it? I’m not denying there is no me involved, and I answered your questions as best I could only to be told I’m “pulling some contradictory hypocritical bullshit.” That isn’t even a response, it’s an accusation that you are in possession of the truth. You never said anything about how or why it’s hypocritical. I never denied any of them. Perhaps both of our egos are involved? Again, that’s not even a good question to ask because, as stated in another way in the OP, perhaps it’s the ego questioning if the ego is in the way. You’d be deluded to think it’s not. If it were just me, you wouldn’t even feel the need to argue and claim its all ME (in caps) and not you.

By the way this all goes perfectly with the OP, so I think it fits in.

But on the other side, this is going nowhere because it’s obvious that our views of each other are exactly the same, and in order for this to go anywhere one has to break. If you’re going to say that, no it’s just ME who is ‘projecting’ my biased assumptions, I don’t even want to hear it, because you can use that sorry excuse for literally anything and about anyone and to cover up the fact that “YOU” are subconsciously doing it as well. If it’s a one way thing there is no attempt at trying to defend yourself.

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Profile photo of R.V. Star R.V. Star (@rickvonstar) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

The sanest place to be is OUT OF YOUR MIND

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Profile photo of Mikey W Mikey W (@mikeyw829) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@rickvonstar, yep, I agree and have faith that you know what you’re talking about. There are so many ways to say this. I tried to talk about it in the OP. It’s like in the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu says, “The Tao that can be spoken of is not the Tao.” There is no way to understand this logically, and if you try to you will automatically assume the person who said is a hypocrite with a cyclical argument.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@mikeyw829,

“I don’t get how you can’t see how it works two ways.” ” I just don’t understand you at all.”
NOW we’re getting somewhere. But y’know, if you don’t understand me at all, why did you make all those claims before? Hmm?
Now do you see what I mean by projections, prejudice and hypocrisy?

Now stay with me for a while, keep your mind open and consider the stuff I’m presenting. Because what’s next in this post is really deep and useful stuff.

NEVER have I claimed to be presenting some objective truth, where did you get that idea? As I said, I’m ONLY QUESTIONING and BREAKING that which is wrong (yes, while things by default are never right or wrong, situation-wise there is always right and wrong.)
But again, I ask you, where do you get that crazy notion that I claim I’m saying the objective truth? Remember all that “you don’t know anything” stuff? I don’t claim to know anything, that’s the difference between you and me.

Another difference is the fact that I’m questioning. And that I’m not here for the same reason that you and the others are here. While I obviously like learning and want to learn, I have yet to find anything new on this site, anything I haven’t already experienced, thoroughly examined, disproved, and moved on to something better. And while I like teaching, this is not a good place to do that, although I do it to some degree (though that’s mostly kept to my own threads.)
Learning is not my agenda, neither is teaching. I’m not here “as a person,” I’m here as a utility for speeding up progress.

If I was like you say, just wanting to feed my damn ego, why would I be doing it here? If I wanted my ego fed by people, wouldn’t I logically seek out real people? Not only are they more real, I also get instant rapport, unlike on the interenet where everyone thinks they’re a motherfucking warrior and has to defend their “wisdom.” (Really just a nasty fucked up ego.)
But then again, I don’t want my ego fed by others. If I want my ego fed, I seek seclusion. You see, I’m a man of reason, as such I would never go to the internet for fucking validation by a bunch of pseudonyms.

“That isn’t even a response, it’s an accusation that you are in possession of the truth. You never said anything about how or why it’s hypocritical.” @mikeyw829

Those are both untruths. Calling you a hypocrite or saying your “points” are bullshit is not at all a claim to truth or superiority. Pointing out your fallacies is just that, nothing more. While a lot of people would definitely do such things to look better, I’m not like them. That’s why you don’t understand me, you’ve probably never communicated with some like me before, you can’t understand me because you have not encountered this mind-space of mine, this paradigm of understanding, whatever you want to call it.
I don’t think in the same ways a typical person does, and I’m not talking about opinions or interests, but radical fundamental differences in the way of being.

Now I’ve answered the stuff about me, are you satisfied now? Because as I said, this isn’t about me.

YOU made the thread, I am just the observer, so of course it’s about YOU and NOT me. YOU’re making claims, I’m questioning, and so it’s again about YOU, not me. YOU’re here to teach and to learn, I’m not, that means it’s about YOU. YOU’re here “as a person” and I’m here more as a “formless observer.” I’m just talking about the ROLES man, you’re overlooking such fundamental things.

The reason things are not moving forward has nothing to do with our views of eachother, I disregard that stuff completely. Why should our views of eachother influence discussion AT ALL, dude? But that sure would explain your antagonistic “vibe.”
Look BEYOND that shit.
The real reason why we’re not moving forward is your unwillingness to question your beliefs and consider the info received from another.

That’s why I’m here in the first place, because people are so full of shit and don’t question it. That’s what I’m changing, that’s why a lot of people are so appreciative of me being here. They opened up and received the favour. You really need to realize that you don’t know jack shit, that your beliefs are not as profound as you like to think.

Why am I doing this, you ask? Because you all claim to want certain things (some of which are the very reason you’re even on this stie) but you constantly undermine and contradict those desires and ambitions with a bunch of BULLSHIT beliefs, mindsets, “truths,” philosophies etc. They’re not the right ones.

You’re so disharmonious, scattered, dissonant, contradictory, unfocused, distracted, torn, and all that BULLSHIT. Your minds are chaotic piles of contradictory stuff that simply DOESN’T WORK.

And you all , certainly you @mikeyw829, give more credit to your beliefs than to actual reality. You pay more attention to your beliefs than to your visions and ambitions. You care more about your beliefs than proper mindsets and paths THAT WORK.

I’m not here to teach my beliefs, or to have them altered by others, I’m here to DESTROY SHITTY BELIEFS. I’m here to test and challenge you. I’m here to question you and get you to questiong yourself. I’m not interested in teaching you anything other than how to teach yourself.

Because really, they ARE shitty. (Situational value.)

I never feel any NEED to respond. Again, I’m a man of reason, I have no such feelings. I reply because I really want to make things better, not for myself, for you guys. If I wanted something better for myself I would go and take it, teaching others only prevents me from getting what I want.

I DON’T GAIN ANYTHING FROM THIS STUFF. IT’S A FAVOUR.

Because I really see a lot of potential in you. It would be a shame to not utilize it.

So come on, man. Open up a little and start questioning. As long as you’re not questioning you’ll never catch a glimpse of what really is. As long as you’re not questioning your mind will unceasingly be dominated by your ego’s shitty beliefs.

Just consider it, will ya?

Peace, love and understanding
//Emilion

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