Rock And Roll Will Never Die
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How exactly did punk kill something? I mean… Oasis for example fucking hated Green Day fans. Not Green Day… Green Day fans. :D But they also hated almost everything else. Bon Jovi, INXS and I don’t even know which band they didn’t hate. Damn the brothers even hate each other!
Punk is kinda fun, I like Offspring but I don’t like bands with sad songs with no positive message at all. If I want that I’ll just listen to blues, shit I’ll sing the fucking blues! A good rebel is a good rebel, not a sissy or an anarchist. Music as a whole should only have an uplifting message and Rock and Roll is very good at it for all ages.
Genres and styles were only invented to put shit in chronological and alphabetical order in stores.
@beyond, If your into Oasis you should check out The La’s, if you haven’t already, they were a brit pop band just before oasis but not many people listen to them, maybe because they only made one album (they are still working on the second) but what a fucking album.
You might know this song:
but this one is my favourite:
by the way, best Oasis song;
@gracyfacey719, Must be a great memory to have ! I can only imagine how amazing it would be to be 8 years old, coming back from a week-end at your grandparents house, in the car, late at night, it’s raining and you see the orange lights of the city dancing on the windows and the seats, and Morrison singing “Riders on the Stooorm…” Really a great band.
Man, I get so easily carried away.
‘tallica died after the Black Album. Hihihi No offense. I’m one of the metal militia since Burton days.
I was dissappointed with them after the Black Album. Though I still listen to my old records. I also love their covers of other bands.
But nobody can deny that ‘tallica is the best Heavy Metal band so far.
Of course it was realistic, and I’m far from pessimistic. It’s just what I see. Back when classical music was popular, you really had to use your brain. Bach might create a masterpiece, and take specific notes out, and give it to his king, and the king would have to piece in the missing pieces. Where is there anything like that these days?
I dont think any genre will die. It will just keep coming back. For instance… some 20 years ago, I thought I would never listen to Classical Music and that it will soon dissipitate, until I a fellow musician introduced me to Tori Amos pieces (not classical but ambient in nature) from then on, I was looking for something pure… pointed me to the evil sounding of Rachmaninoff (to name one).
Now I’m more open to “real” artist. By it, I mean musician with pure talents no matter what genre (except neo/emo punk, pop groups and mainstream dildos).
I grew up with Heavy Metal, progressed to Thrash Metal then Death Metal and to Black Metal music (my last band was playing Black Metal music).
Anyway… as I come of age… It seems that I was loving the old crafty Rock n Roll music (Deep Purple, Led Zep, AC/DC, Grateful Dead etc.)
I know its weird to suddenly evolve my taste in music backwards… but I believe, I’m not the only one.
So in my opinion… Rock n Roll will never die.
Rock n Roll may never die, but it’s golden age is over, and with the coming of technology music has changed completely. Whether for better or worse is for you to decide. But technology has always played a massive role in music.
As Alex said classical music was extremely complex and a lot of work was put into creating a composition. There was no method of recording, so the only way for the public to hear of this was at a performance by the artist.
Compare this to now days, where anybody can buy an Ipad and with little musical knowledge create an entire album and the world could instantly listen to it and spend money purchasing it.
Music has come a long way.
Rock n Roll will never die.
As somebody mentioned that technology will play major roles in the survival of a genre… so it is to Rock n Roll.
I remembered a history of The Beatles where a recording company said no to them for the reason that guitar music was dying and new instruments were evolving and being updated. Guess what? They were wrong.
Even at this moment, new technology is being used to create new music. That new technology cannot and will never kill Rock n Roll.
You see, some people dont shake their bottoms… they bang their heads. And those people (me included) doesn’t have the taste for such trance music.
Classical music did not die. In fact there are many groups out there still performing live. The San Francisco Symphonies with Michael Kamen even played with Metallica live (imagine classical music jamming with Heavy Metal… its like maidens serenading only those maidens are holding a huge hammer).
(and I agree with Pat)
But rock and roll kinda is dying…
I can’t remember the last time I heard a serious face-kicking single, like QOTSA’s No One Knows, in years! Everything slowed down, mellowed out, and got more boring. All the testicles are over in the electronic camp these days.
Seriously someone recommend me a vaguely new band with some fuckin balls. Pulled Apart By Horses is pretty much the only one I’ve found.
@ Nicholas – Check out MIDDLE CLASS RUT and their album “No Name, No Color”. The entire album is face-kicking but “Alive or Dead” is especially face melting.
If that don’t quite strike your fancy, let me know and I WILL find you something new that you think is particularly face-kicking.
Awesome rock is still out there, just not mainstream. Only means we have to dig a little more. =)
All depends how you define Rock and Roll I guess…
If you define it in the narrow 50′s style where it originated, then yes it is dead, but like everything else, it has evolved past that narrow definition to encompass a wide range of music that exists today.
@Sasho The Beatles was never a rock and roll band. They were a commercial pop group that turned into a psychedelic experimental band. Rock and roll is more than an overdrive guitar, banging drums and sloppy vocals, it’s a mentality and a message.
The “rock n roll” of today is not rock n roll at all. Calling it rock n roll is like pissing all over rock n roll. It’s even worse than referring to those angry screaming teens as “metal” or those old white guys in funny hats as “blues” or those ridiculous fags with cowoy hats as “country,” when all of this shit is really just commercial mass produced shitty replicas that are nothing like the real thing. It’s a fucking disgrace to real music.
And if anyone’s an idiot, it’s you. My post about rock and roll being dead was a joke, and that’s obvious. No music style is dead, there are always people who listen to it even if it’s completely forgotten by the mainstream. Yes, even ragtime still has fans.
What I do not quite understand is this debate regarding a label put on music? As a musician I abhor the idea of trying to label what we play and I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of musicians feel the same way.
Music is music. It should only be defined by how it makes you feel, think, do. Whether it inspires you, pumps you up, or makes you cry its all just music. To me, listening to Chuck Berry will never be as enjoyable, thought provoking, or inspirational as listening to Tool (I am sure my father would disagree with me) but in the end it’s all just music and completely up to personal tastes.
“Rock” or “Rock and Roll” does not matter as its all just awesome, cept when its shit of course.
Punk is anti-institution; as long as rock is an institution punk is against it
and rockstars might be inspired by punk, but as long as they cling to notions of fame, sexist ideals, chasing money, whatever, they aren’t really punks.
But who cares about labels.
@Bird A true rockstar doesn’t cling to any of those notions, he just wants to rock the fuck out. Look at a rockstar, do they care about being famous or rich? No, it just happened. Has it changed them? Nope. All they do is rock out, and everything else is just a byproduct. They just do their thing.
And what the hell do sexist ideals have to do with anything? This is about rock n roll, nothing else.
I don’t see why we cant’ put a label on music. Everything we talk about is a label of some fashion. Whether you say its good, bad, makes you cry, those are labels. The genre label is just a way for people to find similar sounds they enjoy.
Not all music is equal…at all. I don’t give a fuck if half the population loves media created music..it’s not music. It’s an abomination.
@Alex I think labelling music can be good, too… you just have to know why the stuff gets the labels it does.
If its because it has a certain bpm and comes from a specific influence, it makes total sense to use labels. if it has a certain label because people are trying to sell more music by glomming on to something popular, then that kind of labelling sucks.
Look at what dubstep has become, that’s a label that originally had meaning as far as bpm and actual content of song goes, now it just means “something with a bass drop that lots of people think is cool and underground” (the bro-step bastardization)
Hating on the labels is just an excuse for not organizing concepts, an excuse for being ignorant, and an excuse to mislabel things.
If I were to study toads and call it astronomy, I think you could all agree that I’m a flaming moron for doing so. Well, the same applies to mislabeling things like music.
If you use the term Rock to describe things that aren’t Rock, then you’ve ruined the meaning of the word, and the reason for it existing. If you use the word Rock for things that aren’t Rock, you’d be better off not using the damn word at all.
It’s still an expression, nothing else, and that’s what rock is all about. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the masculine libido is what invented rock. It makes a lot of sense.
Dubstep hasn’t become anything that it wasn’t. Dubstep is still dubstep, and all this shit that the kids call dubstep is something else. It’s edm with some influences from dubstep. It’s still just edm though. Just like beatles wasn’t a raga band just because they were influenced by Ravi Shankar and used a sitar.
I think it’s different with rock because it’s an ethos along with being a style of music. It’s almost a philosophy… it’s focusing on what makes you feel good, taking what’s yours (because you want it), partying hard, live fast, etc etc
I could argue that drugs created rock just as much as the male libido. Both were fuelling forces, but to be the sole progenitor? No way. Whoever invented flipping the bird invented rock.
@Bird “Whoever invented flipping the bird invented rock.”
Also, I’m not sure what’s “rock” and what’s “punk,” “metal,” or any other genre anymore, because there’s too many labels, genres, and subgenres for me to make sense of.
My rule is, if it makes me feel FUCKING ALIVE then I’m going to listen to it.
Everything else I don’t really worry about.
Well I guess when others said that “rock n roll” is dead, they probably mean that rock music (pure rock n roll) is not a mainstream in our current era.
There are still bands out there rockin’ but have few gigs and air time.
Here in our company, somebody sent an invitation for an audition (forming a band) and he said that you have to be familiar with the music style of the band called “Paramore” and the likes of that. I checked the bands music and was disappointed listing up.
Neo Punk Rock is not my thing. Chords all through out are for sissies (excuse me). I play notes and scales on my guitar. The only punk bands that caught my attention are The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Cult. But that’s because they can make so much sense in just three chords. The new generation punk bands…. well… I’ll just say it’s very taxing listening to them.
There has been such a blending of genres and influences from all over the spectrum that tacking a label of “rock” or “punk” onto something is rarely accurate any more. The internet has opened the world of music up to everyone to the point where anyone can listen to anything and simply attaching a single label to a band is not giving them the credit they are due.
While I agree that labels can be useful because it would be very hard to communicate without them, labelling bands seems silly because that simple label does not convey what the band is all about and limits their exposure due to people who refuse to listen to certain genres.
Like Caitlin says, If it makes you feel FUCKING ALIVE, listen to it!
Indeed. Genres are never invented, or even really considered by artists, they just do whatever feels right. Magazines, blogs, critics, and scenesters are the ones obsessed with naming it all. Artists couldn’t give a shit.
i saw a program on the tele the other nite that took the whole history of 60s and 70s music. one style after the other and played a song from each style. it was interesting to see how one genre influenced the next. this can be studied and shown. it is the true for any history of art. rock and roll is not dead , it lives on for all who listen to it, as well as it gave birth to a variety of forms which followed it.
Johnny Rotten, the lead singer and some would say brains behind the Sex Pistols, said that he wanted to kill rock. In his time it had become another commercial product that had become meaningless through repetition and dilution of context. It was another pointless institution, with gates guarded by the record industry.
That’s why when he was drafted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he refused to be in it, because it was the same tired rock n roll circlejerk that he’d been disdainful of his entire career.
Maybe he didn’t kill the popular conception of rock. But the energy he brought into destroying the popular notions of what was rebellious, and the desire to do it himself even though he wasn’t even good at it, inspired SO MANY people who then went on to form their own punk bands. And most of these people are the ones we still recognize as “rock” artists; the Lemonheads, the Descendents, the Buzzcocks, Joy Division, and Morrissey.
Sasho, Oasis too was reportedly inspired by the Sex Pistols.
I love Johnny Rotten and actually count him as one of the thinkers who takes me to a higher existence, watch him talk about killing rock:
and stonedragon, right on
This guy has a funny voice, its different. what music would you normally listen to? Bands?
I listen to all kinds of music (im kinda adhd musically) just as long as it sounds ‘real’ y’know?
heres one that youre reeally going to hate :) then again who knows?
@graceyfacey there is some brilliant stuff from 2000 and on if you know where to look. the mars volta (@beyond give em a listen!) circa survive, portugal the man, the sounds of animals fighting. rock and roll as fuck.
This didn’t cross my mind until the idiot sent me a PM with a title “Re: Did they make you boss while i was out?”
I had no idea this place consists of those kinds of idiots.
Now I know, unfortunately.
@garreto, You can still easily find and buy the book on the internet so just go for it, you definitely won’t regret it :)
King Crimson ? Their only album that i’ve listened was In The Court of The Crimson King, and it was truly amazing, but for some strange reason I listened to it only a few times and didn’t go looking for more…
I really like what Genesis does too, well, used to at least, I only listen to their first albums, when it was still progressive rock. We should have a progressive rock thread too ! I love what I know but don’t know that much…
@gracyfacey719, I had not noticed your answer but yeah, it must have been weird enough to hear Morrison saying that he wants to kill his father, fortunately you weren’t listening to the uncensored version where he wants to… nnnNNNNAAAH… his mother :)