Rock And Roll Will Never Die
| Jesusbob
(@jesusbob)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
All depends how you define Rock and Roll I guess… If you define it in the narrow 50′s style where it originated, then yes it is dead, but like everything else, it has evolved past that narrow definition to encompass a wide range of music that exists today. |
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| Sasho Stoyanov | |
| Sasho Stoyanov
Yeah… every living person who says the words “rock and roll is dead” must be close to impotency or incompetence. It’s a fact. If you don’t want to make people sad because of your condition, just don’t respond @Manimal Someone loves you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0YifXhm-Zc |
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| Nick
(@nickc2007)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
Proof that “Rock and Roll” is more alive than “rock” is. |
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| Frälsaren
(@manimal)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
@Sasho The Beatles was never a rock and roll band. They were a commercial pop group that turned into a psychedelic experimental band. Rock and roll is more than an overdrive guitar, banging drums and sloppy vocals, it’s a mentality and a message. The “rock n roll” of today is not rock n roll at all. Calling it rock n roll is like pissing all over rock n roll. It’s even worse than referring to those angry screaming teens as “metal” or those old white guys in funny hats as “blues” or those ridiculous fags with cowoy hats as “country,” when all of this shit is really just commercial mass produced shitty replicas that are nothing like the real thing. It’s a fucking disgrace to real music. And if anyone’s an idiot, it’s you. My post about rock and roll being dead was a joke, and that’s obvious. No music style is dead, there are always people who listen to it even if it’s completely forgotten by the mainstream. Yes, even ragtime still has fans. |
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| Jesusbob
(@jesusbob)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
What I do not quite understand is this debate regarding a label put on music? As a musician I abhor the idea of trying to label what we play and I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of musicians feel the same way. Music is music. It should only be defined by how it makes you feel, think, do. Whether it inspires you, pumps you up, or makes you cry its all just music. To me, listening to Chuck Berry will never be as enjoyable, thought provoking, or inspirational as listening to Tool (I am sure my father would disagree with me) but in the end it’s all just music and completely up to personal tastes. “Rock” or “Rock and Roll” does not matter as its all just awesome, cept when its shit of course. |
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| BirdFlyingHigh
(@birdflyinghigh)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
punk killed rock |
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| BirdFlyingHigh
(@birdflyinghigh)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
and then pissed on the corpse |
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| Frälsaren
(@manimal)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
Punk is a form of rock, and it only gave rock new life. |
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| BirdFlyingHigh
(@birdflyinghigh)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
Punk is anti-institution; as long as rock is an institution punk is against it and rockstars might be inspired by punk, but as long as they cling to notions of fame, sexist ideals, chasing money, whatever, they aren’t really punks. But who cares about labels. |
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| Frälsaren
(@manimal)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
@Bird A true rockstar doesn’t cling to any of those notions, he just wants to rock the fuck out. Look at a rockstar, do they care about being famous or rich? No, it just happened. Has it changed them? Nope. All they do is rock out, and everything else is just a byproduct. They just do their thing. And what the hell do sexist ideals have to do with anything? This is about rock n roll, nothing else. |
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| Alex
(@hollowinfinity)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
I don’t see why we cant’ put a label on music. Everything we talk about is a label of some fashion. Whether you say its good, bad, makes you cry, those are labels. The genre label is just a way for people to find similar sounds they enjoy. |
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| BirdFlyingHigh
(@birdflyinghigh)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
a lot of rockstars use rock as an expression of purely male libido… it becomes about getting lots and lots of girls I have nothing against the male libido I just don’t think it invented rock |
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| BirdFlyingHigh
(@birdflyinghigh)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
@Alex I think labelling music can be good, too… you just have to know why the stuff gets the labels it does. If its because it has a certain bpm and comes from a specific influence, it makes total sense to use labels. if it has a certain label because people are trying to sell more music by glomming on to something popular, then that kind of labelling sucks. Look at what dubstep has become, that’s a label that originally had meaning as far as bpm and actual content of song goes, now it just means “something with a bass drop that lots of people think is cool and underground” (the bro-step bastardization) |
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| Alex
(@hollowinfinity)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
HAHAHA the bro-step bastardization! I’m so using that. :) |
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| Frälsaren
(@manimal)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
Hating on the labels is just an excuse for not organizing concepts, an excuse for being ignorant, and an excuse to mislabel things. If I were to study toads and call it astronomy, I think you could all agree that I’m a flaming moron for doing so. Well, the same applies to mislabeling things like music. If you use the term Rock to describe things that aren’t Rock, then you’ve ruined the meaning of the word, and the reason for it existing. If you use the word Rock for things that aren’t Rock, you’d be better off not using the damn word at all. |
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| Frälsaren
(@manimal)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
It’s still an expression, nothing else, and that’s what rock is all about. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the masculine libido is what invented rock. It makes a lot of sense. Dubstep hasn’t become anything that it wasn’t. Dubstep is still dubstep, and all this shit that the kids call dubstep is something else. It’s edm with some influences from dubstep. It’s still just edm though. Just like beatles wasn’t a raga band just because they were influenced by Ravi Shankar and used a sitar. |
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| stonedragon
(@stonedragon21)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
this is the most beautiful thing i have heard in a while. |
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| BirdFlyingHigh
(@birdflyinghigh)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
I think it’s different with rock because it’s an ethos along with being a style of music. It’s almost a philosophy… it’s focusing on what makes you feel good, taking what’s yours (because you want it), partying hard, live fast, etc etc I could argue that drugs created rock just as much as the male libido. Both were fuelling forces, but to be the sole progenitor? No way. Whoever invented flipping the bird invented rock. |
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| BirdFlyingHigh
(@birdflyinghigh)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogypBUCb7DA <- X-Ray Spex (from the late 70s UK punk scene, female fronted, and this song is actually about capitalism, not specifically gender roles and bdsm) |
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| Flynnstone
(@flynnstone)
1 year, 3 months ago ago
@Bird “Whoever invented flipping the bird invented rock.” |
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| Fender
Well I guess when others said that “rock n roll” is dead, they probably mean that rock music (pure rock n roll) is not a mainstream in our current era. There are still bands out there rockin’ but have few gigs and air time. Here in our company, somebody sent an invitation for an audition (forming a band) and he said that you have to be familiar with the music style of the band called “Paramore” and the likes of that. I checked the bands music and was disappointed listing up. Neo Punk Rock is not my thing. Chords all through out are for sissies (excuse me). I play notes and scales on my guitar. The only punk bands that caught my attention are The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Cult. But that’s because they can make so much sense in just three chords. The new generation punk bands…. well… I’ll just say it’s very taxing listening to them. |
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| Jesusbob
(@jesusbob)
1 year, 2 months ago ago
There has been such a blending of genres and influences from all over the spectrum that tacking a label of “rock” or “punk” onto something is rarely accurate any more. The internet has opened the world of music up to everyone to the point where anyone can listen to anything and simply attaching a single label to a band is not giving them the credit they are due. While I agree that labels can be useful because it would be very hard to communicate without them, labelling bands seems silly because that simple label does not convey what the band is all about and limits their exposure due to people who refuse to listen to certain genres. Like Caitlin says, If it makes you feel FUCKING ALIVE, listen to it! |
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| Sasho Stoyanov
How exactly did punk kill something? I mean… Oasis for example fucking hated Green Day fans. Not Green Day… Green Day fans. :D But they also hated almost everything else. Bon Jovi, INXS and I don’t even know which band they didn’t hate. Damn the brothers even hate each other! |
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| Nick
(@nickc2007)
1 year, 2 months ago ago
^^^^^^^^^^^ Indeed. Genres are never invented, or even really considered by artists, they just do whatever feels right. Magazines, blogs, critics, and scenesters are the ones obsessed with naming it all. Artists couldn’t give a shit. |
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